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I've been posting in General Theology for some time; probably over 5,000 posts.
In some ways, I love it here. Diverse. Intense. Direct. Fewer rules.
When I first came on staff, years ago, this is where I was assigned.
The "battleground" or "bloodbath" of CF, it was called in those days, lol.


BUT I learned a long time ago (long before coming to CF over 3 years ago) that forums like this attract people with a range of "agendas."
Some are here to advance their own views - often 1 or 2 things they feel passionately about. They will insert that wherever they can.
Some are here to defend their denomination, no matter what. Defense!
Some are here to condemn other denominations (or maybe 1 or 2 specificially) Offense!
None of the above learn a thing.
Nor do they want to.

SOME, however, cease a golden opportunity that CF affords. We can meet informed, intelligent, articulate, knowledgable people from OTHER groups, OTHER "traditions." People with other ideas, perspectives, customs. AND LEARN. From each other.

For some years, I was active in BOTH the RCC and Protestantism. At the same time.
I came to quickly realize that misunderstandings, mischaracterizations abound.
About equally. On all sides.
Sometimes intentionally, but nearly always innocently.
The same old misconception just keeps getting passed on, unchecked.
AND there is MUCH "talking past" eachother. Christians are sloppy about their vocabulary, often using big, loaded terms but not defining them - so one side thinks this is meant but they couldn't be more wrong.


When I was younger, I posted mostly at Protestant boards for teens. The "Catholic Bashing" often was great there, and since Catholics didn't post, it went "unchecked." I often assumed the role of explaining and defending Catholicism - which more than once caused me to be excorted to the door. I don't have to do that here; I SHOULD not do that here. We have Catholics here to do that, and some do a good job. HERE, my "job" is to speak for conservative, traditional, "first-wave" Protestantism. To TRY to make it understood. Meanwhile, I can learn. From Protestants of other traditions, from Catholics, from Orthodox. An open forum permits that free-flow of teaching/learning - to everyone's benefit.


I don't care if people AGREE with me, I do like it when they understand.
Conversely, I'm pleased if after an exchange, I have a new understanding or simply better understand how others view or feel about something.
Advancing understanding, on my part and that of others, is what I hope to accomplish here.
One often has to step through the minefield of the other agendas to do it, however.



Pax


- Josiah




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My point is that there must be other problem that sin. I don't know which one it is, which explains my frustation in part. Maybe it could be that we are assuming too much, or expecting some different. :confused:

In any case, I was only sharing a feeling. There are many times I do not respond because I fear to only add fuel to the fire. And sometimes after having filled a long post I just delete everything or not press that button.

I know exactly what you are saying and feeling.

To me it's all about purpose, priorities, and expectations. First, you must figure out what your purpose is for engaging in conversation here in this forum. It's a reap what you sow type deal around here. If your purpose is to cause strife, sow strife and that is what you will reap. If your purpose is to bring peace, sow peace and that is what you will reap.

However, you have to have a plan to sow what you want to reap. That is where priorities come into play. If you want to sow peace than make that your priority. Yet both purpose and priorities wont work for you if you have a warped sense of expectation. You should never expect that peace will never be met with strife. Often times people will tell you that there has to be a little strife first before peace can come about.

What I see as my purpose and top priority here in this forum is to bring about understanding. My expectations however are that understanding doesn't have to mean agreement. People can disagree with me all they like, to me disagreement is not a bad word, but I do want to make sure people have the correct understanding of what I'm saying. To me, a misunderstanding is bad.

So my priority here isn't to change people's minds but to make sure they at least understand what I believe and why I believe. If we disagree, oh well, time to move on...;)

Understand?
 
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The fact that you are notoriously close to being anti-semetic is a well known fact only kept hidden by your fear of speaking about it openly.

I decry such notions against either the flesh OR the "Judeans."
And why you cannot see the OPEN FACT that Jesus SPOKE TO and ENGAGED 'children of the DEVIL' in those men is no surprise either. You are in fact LED by that same working to IGNORE the obvious at the expense of your fellow mankind, "the Judeans."

What is IN THE FLESH is the WORKING of the devils and that working INCLUDES workings in the MIND first and foremost.

And if you don't know this for a FACT for yourself personally, you remain a slave of THEM. Their PAWN who cannot love our fellow man and use the excuse of their FALSE SIGHTS in scriptures to justify such vile hatred.

enjoy!

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Hi Squint. I have put you on ignore ............Have a nice day :wave:
 
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Does anybody share this feeling

...that something will only ever be a problem if it is you who sees it as one? ;)

I agree with this in part. My engagement in the problem may often times make it a bigger problem but my ignoring it doesn't make it not a problem.

However, while I'm in ignor mode, it's not a problem for me, just for others. :D

I very rarely ever use the ignor button though. Being a mod for over a year taught me how to zone people out if I had to because mods can't place anyone on ignor.
 
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.. HERE, my "job" is to speak for conservative, traditional, "first-wave" Protestantism. To TRY to make it understood. Meanwhile, I can learn. From Protestants of other traditions, from Catholics, from Orthodox. An open forum permits that free-flow of teaching/learning - to everyone's benefit.

Pax


- Josiah




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Peace received.

Josiah, when I was born, in Spain, especially in a small island like mine, you were either Catholic or foreigner.There was a boy at school who had in rough for he was Jewish. And not because kids were anti-semite or anything, but because nobody could believe he was a Spaniard.

At school I "learned" that Lutheran = protestant. And that Calvin was a radical Lutheran. Go figure.

Even today, to attend a Lutheran church I would have to speak Norwegian or something like that. The local Anglican priest is from England and I don't know a single local who is Anglican. That I know there is two baptist congregations, a few "Evangelical" and many Pentecostal groups that tend to, mostly, immigrants from South America. I've never seen a Methodist church here, or Wesleyan or something of that sort. And no, no Orthodox church that I am aware of.

What I am trying to say, is that it is often quite hard for me to see a maelstrom of theories all being developed at the same time, in a language which is not mine and using words that are often used in a very different way than we Catholic use it.

But you are an oasis of clarity. Have you ever thought in becoming a teacher?
 
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I've been posting in General Theology for some time; probably over 5,000 posts.
In some ways, I love it here. Diverse. Intense. Direct. Fewer rules.
When I first came on staff, years ago, this is where I was assigned.
The "battleground" or "bloodbath" of CF, it was called in those days, lol.

I remember those days very well. When you first got here you so impressed me, you were only 18 then weren't you? Anyway, I could tell right off the bat that you had a purpose and a priority to not cause strife but to bring about understanding. And I've noticed that you haven't changed a bit! :thumbsup:

God bless!
 
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Does anybody share this feeling

...that something will only ever be a problem if it is you who sees it as one? ;)

Oh, here's a thought, what if you are the one who caused the problem?

I backed into someone today in a parking lot, OOPS!!! :sorry:

My tail hitch went right through the radiator of the van parked behind me. I couldn't simply ignor that problem could I?
 
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Peace received.

Josiah, when I was born, in Spain, especially in a small island like mine, you were either Catholic or foreigner.There was a boy at school who had in rough for he was Jewish. And not because kids were anti-semite or anything, but because nobody could believe he was a Spaniard.

At school I "learned" that Lutheran = protestant. And that Calvin was a radical Lutheran. Go figure.

Even today, to attend a Lutheran church I would have to speak Norwegian or something like that. The local Anglican priest is from England and I don't know a single local who is Anglican. That I know there is two baptist congregations, a few "Evangelical" and many Pentecostal groups that tend to, mostly, immigrants from South America. I've never seen a Methodist church here, or Wesleyan or something of that sort. And no, no Orthodox church that I am aware of.

What I am trying to say, is that it is often quite hard for me to see a maelstrom of theories all being developed at the same time, in a language which is not mine and using words that are often used in a very different way than we Catholic use it.

But you are an oasis of clarity. Have you ever thought in becoming a teacher?

Thank you for those very kind words!
I have come to appreciate your presence here, too!

BTW, a year ago right now, I was in Spain. My childhood "best friend" was Spanish in heritage but was born here in the USA. We were both members of the same "Little League" baseball team and met there, probably when we were 11. For years, we were the best of friends. He is the one responsible for my journey in Catholicism. Anyway, after high school, he decided to move to Madrid to live with family there, go to college and "see the world." I went over there on December 26, 2008 and spent a little over a week - seeing Madrid, Toledo, and several other cities. We didn't get down to Barcelona, as we had hoped, so need to go back someday. VERY embracing people, lovely girls, good food (don't like that ham, however), so much to see. I'm young, but I gotta say, that night life was too much for me - I went home and RESTED. I can dance, I love to dance, but until 7:00 AM??? While I was there, I got to worship in several BEAUTIFUL churches, New Years Day at the Cathedral in Toledo. All in Spanish, of course, but when you know the Liturgy, you know what's being said, lol.

Sorry for the diversion. Anyway, thank you. And thank you for all you do here at CF.




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I remember those days very well. When you first got here you so impressed me, you were only 18 then weren't you? Anyway, I could tell right off the bat that you had a purpose and a priority to not cause strife but to bring about understanding. And I've noticed that you haven't changed a bit! :thumbsup:

God bless!

... I think I was 17 when I first came to CF. And yes, I remember you, too. I was away from CF for nearly two years but have return. It's good to see old friends again...

Thank you. I really appreciate your voice of maturity and sanity around this place!

Thanks! Blessings!




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Thank you for those very kind words!
I have come to appreciate your presence here, too!

BTW, a year ago right now, I was in Spain. My childhood "best friend" was Spanish in heritage but was born here in the USA. We were both members of the same "Little League" baseball team and met there, probably when we were 11. For years, we were the best of friends. He is the one responsible for my journey in Catholicism. Anyway, after high school, he decided to move to Madrid to live with family there, go to college and "see the world." I went over there on December 26, 2008 and spent a little over a week - seeing Madrid, Toledo, and several other cities. We didn't get down to Barcelona, as we had hoped, so need to go back someday. VERY embracing people, lovely girls, good food (don't like that ham, however), so much to see. I'm young, but I gotta say, that night life was too much for me - I went home and RESTED. I can dance, I love to dance, but until 7:00 AM??? While I was there, I got to worship in several BEAUTIFUL churches, New Years Day at the Cathedral in Toledo. All in Spanish, of course, but when you know the Liturgy, you know what's being said, lol.

Sorry for the diversion. Anyway, thank you. And thank you for all you do here at CF.




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If you were in Barcelona, probably they would be speaking Catalonian. What you call Spanish is only one of the language of Spain. (The others being Catalonian, Galego, Euskera and Valecian).

There are many kinds of that ham and some are more equal than others.

I can't dance at all :) and I don't like "fiestas"
 
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... I think I was 17 when I first came to CF. And yes, I remember you, too. I was away from CF for nearly two years but have return. It's good to see old friends again...

Thank you. I really appreciate your voice of maturity and sanity around this place!

Thanks! Blessings!
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Well yah know, I took a long time off too over this past year. You and I never worked a forum together but we were mods during the same time and I thought the same about you as a mod. Please don't be offended by this because I have sons older than you, but for a kid, you have a very old and wise soul. :)
 
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If you were in Barcelona, probably they would be speaking Catalonian. What you call Spanish is only one of the language of Spain. (The others being Catalonian, Galego, Euskera and Valecian).

So I understand. The GREAT thing for me (since I speak like 10 words in Spanish) is that all the pretty girls I met spoke English...


There are many kinds of that ham and some are more equal than others.

They served that stuff EVERYWHERE. Such a strange, off flavor - nothing like any ham I had ever tasted - but I think it was mostly a texture thing, even when cut very thin, it was CHEWY. Anyway, a cultural thing. We all have foods we've grown up with and love - but maybe are "weird" to others. I was living with Mark's relatives and, of course, had to be a good guest and not only eat but praise whatever was placed before me - and in all other cases, that was easy and natural because it was GREAT. But the ham.....



I can't dance at all :) and I don't like "fiestas"


I'm a pretty good partier. But Spain was too much for me....


They LIKE to party. And dance. And drink. Oh, I always thought I would drink with the best of 'em, but I was humbled in Spain. Now, the good thing is they don't just drink in Spain. There's LOTS of food (great topas) and conversation mixed in. When you order a drink, you get food thrown in for free - at least during certain times. So, it's easier to drink without ending up on the floor.




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I don't believe i can recall a single time where I got angry at someone on the other side of the computer screen...
albeit, I am very quick to point out what I see as unscriptural doctrines no matter who the opposite poster is, I don't see it as a fight nor being angry...

NOW from the side of this where your bad doctrines are indefensible I guess it makes sense that a feeling of anger may creep in...Rightly so when ones beliefs and practices in God don't align with His word.
 
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They served that stuff EVERYWHERE. Such a strange, off flavor - nothing like any ham I had ever tasted - but I think it was mostly a texture thing, even when cut very thin, it was CHEWY.
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Well, mainlanders serve that stuff to guests because it is traditional there. Next time ask for "dados" dices, which are cut from the toughest, less chewy parts or cook it.

Serrano is normally served raw, you know.
 
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Please don't be offended by this because I have sons older than you....

Not offended AT ALL. I ONLY get a bit frustrated when I'm automatically disregarded because of my age or when people make disparaging remarks about me being a "kid." I got that quite a lot when I first came to CF - the first website I became active in that is "adult." Fortunately, it's been rare with my return to CF. But then 20 somehow seems a lot older than 17, maybe?? And it helps that CF had (and has) quite a number of pretty impressive young posters that probably broke down some barriers for me.


Sorry for the diversions...



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I don't believe i can recall a single time where I got angry at someone on the other side of the computer screen...
albeit, I am very quick to point out what I see as unscriptural doctrines no matter who the opposite poster is, I don't see it as a fight nor being angry...

NOW from the side of this where your bad doctrines are indefensible I guess it makes sense that a feeling of anger may creep in...Rightly so when ones beliefs and practices in God don't align with His word.

Thanks for driving your point to where the real problem lays... With SS everything is a ok... Calling people "unscriptural" while their tradition gave the bible....:doh::doh::doh:sure sure... ^_^
 
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Not offended AT ALL. I ONLY get a bit frustrated when I'm automatically disregarded because of my age or when people make disparaging remarks about me being a "kid." I got that quite a lot when I first came to CF - the first website I became active in that is "adult." Fortunately, it's been rare with my return to CF. But then 20 somehow seems a lot older than 17, maybe?? And it helps that CF had (and has) quite a number of pretty impressive young posters that probably broke down some barriers for me.


Sorry for the diversions...



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I had a teacher who told me, age gives you the opportunity to learn,

just the opportunity. ;)
 
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Peace received.

Josiah, when I was born, in Spain, especially in a small island like mine, you were either Catholic or foreigner.There was a boy at school who had in rough for he was Jewish. And not because kids were anti-semite or anything, but because nobody could believe he was a Spaniard.

At school I "learned" that Lutheran = protestant. And that Calvin was a radical Lutheran. Go figure.

Even today, to attend a Lutheran church I would have to speak Norwegian or something like that. The local Anglican priest is from England and I don't know a single local who is Anglican. That I know there is two baptist congregations, a few "Evangelical" and many Pentecostal groups that tend to, mostly, immigrants from South America. I've never seen a Methodist church here, or Wesleyan or something of that sort. And no, no Orthodox church that I am aware of.

What I am trying to say, is that it is often quite hard for me to see a maelstrom of theories all being developed at the same time, in a language which is not mine and using words that are often used in a very different way than we Catholic use it.

But you are an oasis of clarity. Have you ever thought in becoming a teacher?
Thank you for that explanation and insight into your background. You know what is part of the problem here? You are so articulate in your written English that it fools one, at least it fooled me, I did not realize your cultural background was so different from my own. I apologize. I was throwing some snide curve-balls in there to kind of yuck it up, but now I realize I was the only one amused.

I deffinitely now can see the import and gravity of your initial post and see where you are coming from. You are right.
 
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