Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[bsd13]

When you use the word "abomination" you are pulling from the Old Testament, or Torah as Jews would call it. The word in Hebrew is "to'evah" and it also applied to other actions, such as eating shellfish. If you are going to use the word, you must also call yourself one if you have ever eaten shellfish or gone against any of the other dietary orders.

However, you will counter and tell me that Jesus lifted those. That's fine, and I can agree with you. So, stop using the word "abomination" please. Thanks.

I used both the word abomination and the statement "will not inherit the kingdom of God" One, as you say is from the old Testament. The other is from the New Testament.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Have I pasted what it says or not?

 

[bsd13]

This is what I find odd with some of you. You're so interested in other people's sex lives. FYI...It's perverted of you.

Normally I couldn't careless, but I need to know to make a point to him.

 

[gwenmead]

This is what I find odd with some of you. You're so interested in other people's sex lives. FYI...It's perverted of you

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It also makes it look as if marriage is reduced simply to sex.

But then that's why I keep popping into threads like this and eventually asking what marriage actually is. Legal contract? Sexual relationship? Personal relationship? Religious ceremony? Holy state bestowed by a deity?

All of the above? None? Some? Or just whichever best fits one's argument at the time?

I haven't gotten an answer yet. But then I've also not started a thread about it either. So who knows.

 

[b&wpac4]

I used both the word abomination and the statement "will not inherit the kingdom of God" One, as you say is from the old Testament. The other is from the New Testament.



Have I pasted what it says or not?

When you use the word, you are pulling it directly from the Old Testament. I now contend you are an abomination! You must have eaten shellfish, combined dairy with meat (cheeseburger anyone), had pork, or any of the other restrictions that exist.

My issue is you pull that word out when you want, but don't apply it to all practices that are listed under it, only the ones you don't really like. Stop using that word.

You'll notice that nobody in the New Testament uses it to describe homosexuality, not even Jesus. So, please... stop using the word.

Thanks, you abomination!

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I used both the word abomination and the statement "will not inherit the kingdom of God" One, as you say is from the old Testament. The other is from the New Testament.



Have I pasted what it says or not?

There was no word for homosexuality back then so I wonder what word they decided meant homosexuality and who exactly decided it, was it a homophobe or someone that is not very good at translation.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Is your a partner the same sex as you?

Why yes, he is.

Is it a sexual relationship?

I haven't asked for a peek into your bedroom.
I will ask of you the same comon courtesy that should be automatic for one who claims to be Christian.

If so how do you work around what the Bible says about man lying with man or woman lying with woman being an abomination and those who do it will never inherit the kingdom of heaven?

I think I said it 30 or 40 pages ago. You appear to be trapped in some kind of literalist, idolatrous reading of the bible that helps nobody. Read in context, the bible does not condemn homosexuality in the least.

I'm genuinely curious. I know several gays a few of whom once claimed to be children of God. They "quit" (as if that were possible, as if Christ could lose one of His own) because they could not get around scriptures that clearly teach against homosexuality.

"Clearly?"
The only perfectly clear thing is that people of good conscience, prayerfulness, and scholarship disagree on the issue. You are on one side of it, I am on another. (and I'm not alone)

 

[Braunwyn]

Normally I couldn't careless, but I need to know to make a point to him.

I've noted this with many. Sex obsession. It's all about sex. If sex wasn't involved, I doubt any of you would care but it is, because that's what you think about. There is so much more to life, to relationships, to love.

 

[angellica]

This is what I find odd with some of you. You're so interested in other people's sex lives. FYI...It's perverted of you.

You only quoted half of his post. He wasn't interested in their sex lives, he was asking to establish the basis of his question. Trust me, most people are not interested in a homosexual's sex life. I'm certainly not.

 

[bsd13]

When you use the word, you are pulling it directly from the Old Testament. I now contend you are an abomination! You must have eaten shellfish, combined dairy with meat (cheeseburger anyone), had pork, or any of the other restrictions that exist.

My issue is you pull that word out when you want, but don't apply it to all practices that are listed under it, only the ones you don't really like. Stop using that word.

You'll notice that nobody in the New Testament uses it to describe homosexuality, not even Jesus. So, please... stop using the word.

Thanks, you abomination!

Those restrictions (food) do not exist. If you had ever picked up a Bible you'd know this. God struck down the dietary laws. I can give you the chapter and verse so you can look it up yourself.

He however did NOT strike down the law about homosexuality (or many others). I've already shown you that passage. Now if you can show me one where He has go for it.

 

[bsd13]

I've noted this with many. Sex obsession. It's all about sex. If sex wasn't involved, I doubt any of you would care but it is, because that's what you think about. There is so much more to life, to relationships, to love.

I must be a closet homosexual.

Figured I'd save you the work up to that statement and just throw it out there for you now. You can thank me later.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

You only quoted half of his post. He wasn't interested in their sex lives, he was asking to establish the basis of his question. Trust me, most people are not interested in a homosexual's sex life. I'm certainly not.

I find sex to be a very interesting topic since it is very natural and comes in so many forms so there is always more to learn which can only benefit you and your partner or partners.

 

[Braunwyn]

You only quoted half of his post. He wasn't interested in their sex lives, he was asking to establish the basis of his question. Trust me, most people are not interested in a homosexual's sex life. I'm certainly not.

That is what it's about. Every time I've seen OT scripture posted it was about sex. It wasn't about love, it wasn't about relationships. It's not about building lives together. The crux is sex and no person has any business inquiring about a person's sex life. Call me old fashioned.

 

[angellica]

Those restrictions (food) do not exist. If you had ever picked up a Bible you'd know this. God struck down the dietary laws. I can give you the chapter and verse so you can look it up yourself.

He however did NOT strike down the law about homosexuality (or many others). I've already shown you that passage. Now if you can show me one where He has go for it.

I'm on your "side," but I'd like the chapter and verse for the next time someone uses the infamous "shellfish" argument.

 

[Braunwyn]

I must be a closet homosexual.

The second thought that comes to mind is voyerism of sorts. The first is a busy body.

 

[angellica]

That is what it's about. Every time I've seen OT scripture posted it was about sex. It wasn't about love, it wasn't about relationships. It's not about building lives together. The crux is sex and no person has any business inquiring about a person's sex life. Call me old fashioned.

So you agree that same sex "sex" is wrong?

 

[angellica]

I find sex to be a very interesting topic since it is very natural and comes in so many forms so there is always more to learn which can only benefit you and your partner or partners.

How can learning about homosexual sex benefit me in any way?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

So you agree that same sex "sex" is wrong?

I do not find any consensual sex to be wrong.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

So now because I recount what the scriptures say happened that means I support polygamy?

I am saying that a person who takes the bible literally, and agrees with the pope's monstrous pronouncement, and seems to talk all about "traditional marriage" - using the passage you used seems strange.

I honestly don't get you. You claim to be a Christian yet anything that the Bible says you discount. Very strange.

Now WHERE have I discounted "anything the bible says?"

I read, mark, & learn scripture every day.

What I discount is your poorly translated, disastrous interpretation. Over the centuries, like-minded people performed the most uspeakable, evil, violent and murderous acts against people who were assumed to be gay. And they felt justified in doing so by reading the scriptures the way you appear to.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

How can learning about homosexual sex benefit me in any way?

Techniques and positions can apply to anyone.

 

[angellica]

I do not find any consensual sex to be wrong.

Is that based on any religious belief? Or is it based on our current legal definition of who can give consent?