Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[b&wpac4]

Sarcasm. I am saying that if gays are wanting to marry for insurance, they're no better than the straights who marry for insurance. That's not a valid reason to justify changing the definition of marriage.

So, you have summed it up that they want marriage simply because of insurance and not because of any of the reasons you would want to be married?

 

[b&wpac4]

*COUGH*

Are trying to indicate that you don't believe being a Christian was a choice? You were forced into it by gunpoint?

 

[angellica]

So, you have summed it up that they want marriage simply because of insurance and not because of any of the reasons you would want to be married?

No, I'm saying that is not a good reason or a good enough reason to change the definition of marriage.

 

[b&wpac4]

No, I'm saying that is not a good reason or a good enough reason to change the definition of marriage.

Gaining the access to benefits and rights that other couples have access to is not a good enough reason?

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Sarcasm. I am saying that if gays are wanting to marry for insurance, they're no better than the straights who marry for insurance. That's not a valid reason to justify changing the definition of marriage.

Yes, it was sarcastic, because the argument was so dumb that sarcasm was the only thing it deserved. I don't know of any straight couples who marry solely for insurance reasons, nor do I know of any gay couples who would either.

Beside the fact that your implying that a gay person marrying someone of the opposite sex instead of someone of the same sex would somehow lower your premiums is about the most ludicrous argument I have heard in a long time.

Sorry, but I call BS where I smell it.

 

[Aianna]

Then why discriminate against the Christians who view homosexual marriage as wrong? Why discount their beliefs?

That's like "discriminating" against the bigot who thinks non-whites shouldn't be able to vote by allowing them to do so.

Gays getting married does not hinder you in any way; whereas your will for them to not get married does indeed relegate them to second class citizens.

 

[QuakerOats]

then morals technically wouldnt exist if that was true. There must be a universal morality in order for there to be justice, otherwise murder in one area would be moral while not moral in another.

Except that murder is some areas is viewed as 'moral.'

 

[ChaliceThunder]

The only time I've ever seen anything in the Bible about homosexuality, it is negative. Why would God call something in His image an abomination?

He didn't.
You need to read in context.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Then why discriminate against the Christians who view homosexual marriage as wrong? Why discount their beliefs?

They can keep their belief but to use that belief to deny people of their rights is not acceptable and those that do so should be ashamed. So they view homosexual marriage as wrong that means that they should not do it then but stop using it against those that do not see it as wrong.

 

[angellica]

He didn't.
You need to read in context.

I have, both in the OT and NT and he condemns same-sex sex. There's no amount of twisting or trying to justify it than can change its meaning.

 

[Nihilismus]

then morals technically wouldnt exist if that was true. There must be a universal morality in order for there to be justice, otherwise murder in one area would be moral while not moral in another.

Correct. Universal morality does not exist. Everything is relative and subjective to the individual.

 

[Garyzenuf]

There must be a universal morality in order for there to be justice, otherwise murder in one area would be moral while not moral in another.

Oh Free-thinkers from a future age, please look back at us and be thankful this ground was tilled and covered long before you were born.

In Dawkins name we pray, amen

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[OphidiaPhile]

I have, both in the OT and NT and he condemns same-sex sex. There's no amount of twisting or trying to justify it than can change its meaning.

But again the bible is not relevant to anything having to do with human rights or the law, you can use said book to guide YOUR LIFE but that is where it ends as many of us do not want it anywhere near our lives.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Then why discriminate against the Christians who view homosexual marriage as wrong? Why discount their beliefs?

How does it "discount" your beliefs to say that you can't make laws that are based only upon them? Allowing same sex legal marriage doesn't mean that Fundamentalist Christians have to approve of it.

 

[QuakerOats]

Then why discriminate against the Christians who view homosexual marriage as wrong? Why discount their beliefs?

No one is asking to. Churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc. are all free to practice their own definition of marriage, and are not being forced to perform any marriage they deem against their beliefs.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

No, I'm saying that is not a good reason or a good enough reason to change the definition of marriage.

Who said that was the only reason?

Who said anyone is changing your definition of marriage? You're free to marry a guy if you want to. No one is forcing you to marry another woman.

You guys have all sorts of illogical, completely refutable "arguments" against gay marriage and you keep repeating the same old baseless nonsense time and time again, with no real substance to back it up.

"Gay marriage cheapens marriage"

"How does it do that?"

"It just does..."


"Gay marriage will raise my insurance premiums."

"How will it do that?"

"I don't know, it just will. But if they marry someone of the opposite sex it won't."

"How does that work?"

"I don't know, I just made it up because it sounded good."



Seriously folks, come up with some new material or get off the stage. Something with some substance. Something that at least makes an ounce of sense.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Then why discriminate against the Christians who view homosexual marriage as wrong? Why discount their beliefs?

If the court wants an expert opinion on a subject to help guide the legislation involved they do not go to lay people they go to those that actually have knowledge of the subject therefore the opinions of Christians mean nothing when it comes to the courts opinion.

Lets say you have been accused of a murder you are innocent of and the only thing that can clear you is DNA, who would you rather have do the comparison, a geneticist or a carpet salesman?

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Then why discriminate against the Christians who view homosexual marriage as wrong? Why discount their beliefs?

LOL, we've been down this road a thousand times. No one's discriminating against you. Has ANYONE said you can't marry a guy? Anyone? Name one time? They haven't? Didn't think so. Guess what? You haven't been discriminated against.

Your argument is akin to saying your neighbor did you wrong because he bought a white Highlander and you wanted him to have a silver Prius.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Actually if you want to go the traditional route it is not based on love or kids but purely on economic points, how about we base marriage solely on the dowry system and parents can go back to deciding who their kids marry based on who can give them the most goats.

Prearranged marriages actually have better success rate than most western marriages. I mean why does India have the lowest divorce rate in the entire world? Obviously there doing something right

 

[OphidiaPhile]

LOL, we've been down this road a thousand times. No one's discriminating against you. Has ANYONE said you can't marry a guy? Anyone? Name one time? They haven't? Didn't think so. Guess what? You haven't been discriminated against.

Your argument is akin to saying your neighbor did you wrong because he bought a white Toyota and you wanted him to have a silver Prius.

I really wanted him to get the blue one but he really ticked me off when he got the black one, I feel violated.