Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[TheBear]

never mind

 

[Nathan45]

I'll grant you it is secondary, but what of when it is directly contrary to what the Word of God says? Or is the Word out of date?

Yes, yes yes we all know how it works.

1In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God.
2The Bible was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by the Bible; and without the Bible was not any thing made that was made.
4In the Bible was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10The Bible was in the world, and the world was made by the Bible, and the world knew the Bible not.
11The Bible came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received the Bible, to them the Bible gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his book:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the Bible.

 

[SiderealExalt]

I find it ironic that someone called America a Godless nation when it's one of the most religious 1st world nations in the world if not the most and some consider it's fervent overall clinging to religion as perhaps behind some of the deficiencies in education and other aspects of living standards in which America is behind the rest of the world.

 

[Nathan45]

Yes, yes yes we all know how it works.

1In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God.
2The Bible was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by the Bible; and without the Bible was not any thing made that was made.
4In the Bible was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10The Bible was in the world, and the world was made by the Bible, and the world knew the Bible not.
11The Bible came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received the Bible, to them the Bible gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his book:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the Bible.

I almost forgot, the most famous verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Bible, that whosoever believeth the Bible should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[TheBear]

And I answered them.

No. You haven't. You gave me no specific answers, you skipped over many of the questions, and finally you concluded that it was incomprehensible, unimaginable and unknowable.

I'll pick out just one of the questions that you skipped over - If spirit god has no dimension, how can it be said that Jesus sits at the right hand of spirit god?

But you want to continue to ask them because you aren't getting the answer you want to hear. Notice I said "you want to hear" not "you expect to hear"

The only thing I want is some straight answers to some direct questions. And since you have this iron-clad certainty about it all, you should easily be able to provide them without all this tap-dancing around. And, forget about me. This isn't about me. It's about the questions I raise regarding your so-called absolute certainty.

How can I make you understand such a thing?

Well, since you don't even understand it yourself, then the question is - how can you claim "absolute certainty", if you claim it's incomprehensible, unimaginable and unknowable?

I can't. So why bother trying? What would be the point?

Exactly.

Fact is no matter what I say, or evidence I present it will never be enough to overcome the human ego. God alone can do that.

This has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with logic and reason. You have shown me nothing to back up your claim that you know with absolute certainty. I think you're mixing up the terms, 'dogma' and 'knowledge'. Or maybe you're mixing up the terms, 'belief' and 'knowledge'. Or maybe it's a combination of both. Either that, or you are demonstrating a classic case of cognitive dissonance by clinging to two opposing ideas at the same time. For the rest of us, it's either you have absolute certainty, or it's incomprehensible, unimaginable and unknowable.

 

[angellica]

Many (not all), straight Christians feel comfortable railing against homosexuality because it doesn't impose on their own rights in the least to do so.

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Railing against homosexuality doesn't impose on our rights to rail against homosexuality? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Railing against homosexuality doesn't impose on our rights to rail against homosexuality? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I believe he is trying to imply that Christians who "rail against homosexuals" are exercising their right to Freedom of Speech, but one of the consequences of Christians doing so infringes upon the rights of homosexuals.

Though I might be incorrect. I am not a mind reader. *grin*

 

[angellica]

I believe he is trying to imply that Christians who "rail against homosexuals" are exercising their right to Freedom of Speech, but one of the consequences of Christians doing so infringes upon the rights of homosexuals.

Though I might be incorrect. I am not a mind reader. *grin*

Oh. How?

 

[Aianna]

Railing against homosexuality doesn't impose on our rights to rail against homosexuality? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

From how I understood it, denying rights to homosexuals doesn't deny rights to the heterosexual Christians themselves.

If they were to attempt to create laws against lying, they might be affecting themselves (how would they ever argue against things like homosexuality or evolution if lying was illegal? ).

 

[b&wpac4]

We don't try to create secular laws that deal with lying because no one demands the "right" to be allow to lie. You don't see mass protests of people insisting that they have a right to lie (or cheat, or steal...) but you see protests of people saying they have a right to marry whomever they darn well please.

Start a protest demanding the right to lie and you'll find Christians will stand against it.

Really? I don't need to demand the right to lie. I, by virtue of there being no law compelling me to be truthful, have the right to lie. It would be the same as wandering the streets demanding the right to freedom of speech. I already have it, that would just be stupid.

So, I ask again, why aren't you opposing freedom of religion, the worship of idols, the worship of other gods? Why aren't you fighting to make your morality the law? Why are homosexuals such a threat that they, and they almost alone, must be opposed at every turn?

 

[WatersMoon110]

Oh. How?

I don't know. I just think that is what he might have been trying to imply.

I don't think freedom of speech is an issue, no matter how much I might disagree with what a given person is saying.
But I do think that making laws based solely on religious belief is unethical and unconstitutional.

 

[b&wpac4]

I don't know. I just think that is what he might have been trying to imply.

I don't think freedom of speech is an issue, no matter how much I might disagree with what a given person is saying.
But I do think that making laws based solely on religious belief is unethical and unconstitutional.

It is most certainly unconstitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I'll grant you it is secondary, but what of when it is directly contrary to what the Word of God says? Or is the Word out of date?

You have merely taken the word (small 'w', thank you very much!) out of context, mistranslated it, and/or misinterpreted it.

God created us in God's image - a wonderfully diverse and creative image which includes hetero and homo sexuality.

 

[Garyzenuf]

Many (not all), straight Christians feel comfortable railing against homosexuality because it doesn't impose on (same-said Christians) rights in the least to do so.

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Railing against homosexuality doesn't impose on our rights to rail against homosexuality? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I hope that helps, sorry.

I also just realized this isn't the "Non-religious reasons for Gays not to marry" thread. Sorry squared.

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[SiderealExalt]

God created us in God's image - a wonderfully diverse and creative image which includes hetero and homo sexuality.

I don't think I'd give my parents that much credit, but I understand your point

 

[angellica]

You have merely taken the word (small 'w', thank you very much!) out of context, mistranslated it, and/or misinterpreted it.

God created us in God's image - a wonderfully diverse and creative image which includes hetero and homo sexuality.

The only time I've ever seen anything in the Bible about homosexuality, it is negative. Why would God call something in His image an abomination?

 

[Morcova]

Is it too much to ask for people to keep their perversion out of the schools?

Is it too much to ask for people to keep their perversion out of the government?

Fortunately none of that is happening, unless you are refering to the various right wing republicans and their sex scandals.

So I ask again, is it too much for some people to keep their mythologies out of peoples bedrooms?

 

[Morcova]

A concept is an idea, or a thought. Morality isn't a concept or a thought. It is a set of governing rules laid out by the King of kings.

Except your "governing rules" look just like the words written by other ignorant stone age peoples.

 

[angellica]

Fortunately none of that is happening, unless you are refering to the various right wing republicans and their sex scandals.

So I ask again, is it too much for some people to keep their mythologies out of peoples bedrooms?

One of the biggest sex scandals in our time is that of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. He was a Democrat. Both sides have their fair share of sex scandals, and it's ignorant to call out one without calling out both.

 

[b&wpac4]

One of the biggest sex scandals in our time is that of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. He was a Democrat. Both sides have their fair share of sex scandals, and it's ignorant to call out one without calling out both.

So, are any of you guys going to actually take the time to give me a real answer? The one I was given before (not by you, angellica) was a bunch of nonsense about people protesting for the right to lie.