Since this view is widely accepted, to say that I used it "out of context" is without merit. An unstated position is lukewarm, providing no benefit.
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Since this view is widely accepted, to say that I used it "out of context" is without merit. An unstated position is lukewarm, providing no benefit.
Question: Why should God have to intervene supernaturally to bring about His purpose and plan?
Answer: The Bible does not say nor suggest God must intervene, it says He does intervene.
Answer: The Bible does not say nor suggest God must intervene, it says He does intervene.
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Basically pulling an Obama (Thanks Calminian!)
I said that?
That is a metaphorical description of why lukewarm is bad. It does not tell us what Christ considers lukewarm. We all agree being lukewarm is a bad thing, it is just that there is no relationship between what Christ calls lukewarm and what you are trying to condemn about us.Van said:
Interesting website. The author links to another page he wrote on Herbert Armstrong, titled 'To Reject God's Messenger Is to Reject God'. Hmm. Still, you should have read the page a bit better, he says lukewarmness is hard to spot. A problem arises, however, in "spotting" a Laodicean—these qualities do not necessarily show on the outside. Why? Remember Christ describes a spiritual condition. You however have no difficulty in deciding what is lukewarm. Interestingly he uses the same word complacent to describe the lukewarm Laodiceans as I did.
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Very well then:
Does God use natural laws to bring about His purpose and plan naturally? I think so.
Did God use natural laws to bring the universe into existence? I think He could have.
Did God use natural laws to bring life into existence? I think He could have.
Did God use natural laws to create us with the capacity to handle abstract thought? I think He could have.
Now show me how I am thinking any differently from any orthodox theist on this matter.
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I think nothing is impossible with God, the issue is what He did, not what He might have done.
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Then do you agree that God could have caused the creation of life to happen entirely naturally, and moreover that this would not in the slightest way jeopardize His claim and authority as the creator of life?
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Not true, there is much benefit to be gained from Jesus's 'unstated' position in Matt 24 on 'the day and hour', or would you accuse Jesus of being lukewarm?
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Critical thinking is important. Jesus taught that our yes should be yes and our no, no, not maybe so. We should not be lukewarm, providing no benefit to the ministry of Christ.
Christ's clearly stated position was that only God knew when Christ would return.
Christ's clearly stated position was that only God knew when Christ would return.
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Yes God could have put invisible pink elephants in orbit around Mars. But to base an argument on speculation of the possible, rather than on what God's word says God actually does is unsound.
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And our clearly stated position is that only God knows whether He instated the universe and life miraculously or naturally. That hasn't stopped you from hounding us so far, though. Why the double standard?
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LOL folks. The argument is Only God knows whether God created the universe naturally or supernaturally. Yes folks that was the argument. Mallon know what God knows even though God did not write it in scripture. Folks God did not say only God knows! Let me repeat that. God did not say only God knows. Those details are not in scripture. If you think Mallon is a prophet, then he wins, hands down. 
It is not a double standard to rely on what the Bible says, and not rely on what the bible does not say.
Jesus did not say our yes should be maybe and our no should be maybe. But he did address those who call a bad thing good.
It is not a double standard to rely on what the Bible says, and not rely on what the bible does not say.
Jesus did not say our yes should be maybe and our no should be maybe. But he did address those who call a bad thing good.
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LOL. Jesus said only the Father knows. Folks here we have Van going in for some kind of modalism it appears. This time he uses heresy to prop up his twisting and misquoting of scripture.
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Yet another example of reading difficulty. God did not say only He knows whether He created the Universe supernaturally or naturally. The statement is not in scripture. Mallon, apparently ascribing Prophet to his list of qualifications, says God said no one knows whether I did it supernaturally or naturally.
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And one thing more, I am not "hounding" anyone. Folks, pay no attention to the constant disparagement tossed my way, along with misrepresentations. Do you remember the topic.
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If a person leaves his position unstated, then he loses the impact his correct insight might have on others, and if his view is errant, he loses the opportunity to receive correction in love. None of this should even be debated.
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Does anyone else here feel like Van is being belligerent, disparaging, combative, belittling, and otherwise insincere?
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Folks, note the lack of content in Mallon's post, shifting the topic away from my position to my alleged behavior. Rather than say oops and move on, I am subjected to personal attack. And why, because I put forth a position that differed from YEC or OEC standard fare.
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