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Timothy Ball - Ph.D said:
Scientists Speak Out Against Alarmist Warming Theory said:
I looked around the seed site, where you retrieved the above graph (from NOAA originally?), and found another graph of interest. Now, I don't know much about climate change but if you look to the right of the graph, it's something worth noting.And claiming there is a scientific consensus is just politics and a lie.
As we can see from ice core data we are in part of a normal cycle. The lie of man-made global warming only looks at the last 100 years or so, but in order to get an actual picture of what is going on we need to look at all the available data. And when we do that it becomes clear that it is quite normal and part of a cycle therefore not the cause of man.
I looked around the seed site, where you retrieved the above graph (from NOAA originally?), and found another graph of interest. Now, I don't know much about climate change but if you look to the right of the graph, it's something worth noting.
"Over the past 425,000 years, cool periods have coincided with times when the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was lower. When there is less CO2 in the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect is reduced and the world cools.
The blue and red line indicates the variation in average global temperature compared with the 19611990 average. The green line shows the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. (Pay close attention to the right-hand edge of the graph.)
This graph shows four eras when the world was cooler than it is today. These are separated by brief warm periods, like the one we are now in. "
http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/causes_co2.htm
Well, I don't know if CO2 'causes' warming but based on the graphs CO2 tends to follow suit with climate. It looks like we're dealing with a different animal at present as the graph shows that CO2 levels have never been this high, unless I'm missing something. We're going to have to wait and see what happens.
The CO2 spike is a recent ocurrence. I'm not sure what the response would like on a time scale or how feedback mechanisms would come into play.
Lets look at the last 10,000 years or so, shall we? The period is called the Holocene.
Deny the evidence all you desire. I could care less.
Yes the ocean is a type of "CO2 sponge". Warm oceans hold less Co2 then cold oceans. Which shows that Co2 has always followed warming and never caused the warming.
Lets look at the last 10,000 years or so, shall we? The period is called the Holocene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
We are not warming, we are cooling. Don't fool yourself.
Deny the evidence all you desire. I could care less.
I don't buy it, there is nothing that convinces me it is true at all.
All I ask is allow me my beliefs, which I am more then willing to change if there was any convincing evidence at all, and don't punish me for your unconvincing beliefs. Like with some kind of carbon tax.
Ok, what kind of effects will such high levels of CO2 have on the atmosphere? I certainly don't know. You seem to have a clue though I'm missing it. If greenhouse gases play a role in keeping the planet warm it's intuitive to think that a substantial increase is gases unchecked would contribute to warming. Many say this isn't the case but I don't understand why.
According to the wiki link, " In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably colder than present day (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns)." I'm not sure what you're getting at here if you wouldn't mind explaining it.Lets look at the last 10,000 years or so, shall we? The period is called the Holocene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
We are not warming, we are cooling. Don't fool yourself.
The petition is complete bunk, it takes anyone who holds a PhD and attempts to fool people into thinking that a PhD automatically makes you an expert. I'm working on my PhD right now, but I do biomedical imaging. Ask me about MRI and CT, I know what I'm talking about, but ask me about climate science, and I am no expert. This petition has people that have PhDs in psychology, they know nothing about the science behind climate change. The petition is complete bunk and relies on the ignorance of people who know nothing about science.
Actually the lie is claiming there is no scientific consensus, the deniers are the ones attempting to turn this into politics.
Yes the ocean is a type of "CO2 sponge". Warm oceans hold less Co2 then cold oceans. Which shows that Co2 has always followed warming and never caused the warming.
Lets look at the last 10,000 years or so, shall we? The period is called the Holocene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
We are not warming, we are cooling. Don't fool yourself.
Deny the evidence all you desire. I could care less.
I don't buy it, there is nothing that convinces me it is true at all.
All I ask is allow me my beliefs, which I am more then willing to change if there was any convincing evidence at all, and don't punish me for your unconvincing beliefs. Like with some kind of carbon tax.
I don't know what data you are looking at. Today is on the left end of that chart the right is coming out of the last "glacial period". The planet has been on a cooling trend ever sense.
Actually, only a BS is required to sign the petition lol. And look at this qualifer:
What, like the elements? geeze louise.Agreed.
