Why should I or anyone else believe in the supernatural let alone a God? To me the Bible, Koran and other religous texts are just books of myths and superstitions. Also, what makes some of you take it seriously?
Why should I believe?
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I am a Muslim so there is no doubt that I believe in Qur'aan and I don't believe it's superstitions when I give you a verse, you agree it's a Truth even though you call yourself a non-Muslim.
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Bookofknowledge,
Thank you for responding but WHY do you believe what you believe? What exactly makes you believe what is in the Qur'aan is real? I refuse to believe in something "just because", mainly because I cannot and it is an absurd way to live. There has to be some justification for your faith or you believe "just because". Please enlighten me.
Thank you for responding but WHY do you believe what you believe? What exactly makes you believe what is in the Qur'aan is real? I refuse to believe in something "just because", mainly because I cannot and it is an absurd way to live. There has to be some justification for your faith or you believe "just because". Please enlighten me.
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I believe in Qur'aan because I have read Qur'aan and spent years trying to understand basic knowledge.
Currently you claim to be a non-muslim and you being in your current state, I present you a verse and you accept the verse without rejecting it and accept it without me forcing you then for me it's a TRUTH.
If you and I can agree on somthing then it's a common platform. This is what Qur'aan teaches "Come to what is common"
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I gather from your name that you were either raised christian or you had accepted Jesus at some point in your life. Which one?
Either way, I wish you well and pray the Lord blesses you with the knowledge you seek and peace.
I was 'born again' in 1989 though I was raised catholic. I attend a 'bible college' and I have studied other religions. I take Christ seriously because He touched me on a personal level and I commune with Him in my prayers. Knowledge is strength and it is for the lack of knowledge that people perish (not knowing). One cannot deny the scriptures of the Old and New testaments, the way they are linked to one another, the time period over which they were written, the manner by which Rabbis preserved the texts, the witnesses that attest to the scriptures, the oldest copies going back to 225 BC and nearly to the time of Ezra when he came out of Babylonian captivity - texts found from the Dead Sea scrolls, the link between the 'feasts of the Lord' and Christ's works, the prophecies which are coming true such as the re-establishment of Jerusalem in 1948 as prophesied in Isaiah. The link between G*d's enemies mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as being the nations of Islam today and the manner by which G*d will fight them just as soon as they come against Israel. Notice these nations had nothing in common the day Ezekiel mentioned them but today they are all Muslim nations. There are many prophesies like these. I have not even begun to mention the prophecies of Daniel, Mathew, Joel and I have not mentioned the works of Jesus Christ. There is so much connectivity that you should find and discover the beauty. Come to know your savior, "for no one comes to the father except through me (Jesus)."
I hope I touched on some of your questions.
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I've asked the same questions.
Why communicate with mankind through holy books, prophets, etc. if God is supposed to omnipotent, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I understand this, but it still doesn't truly answer my questions. The question for me boils down to, "What's the point of all this?"
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Well ex-Christian you and I have something in common.. I was raised in a Christian church myself but in my case I believed there was Person named Jesus Who was really inspired by God and taught essential spiritual truths important to all of us...
Problem is though that the church in later centuries obscured His teachings and forgot the essential spiritual message. I was tired of listening to Christians denigrating other religions... tired of the attacks so I decided to investigate for myself and found there was a Golden Thread through the tapestry of the world religions and late r became a Baha'i as we recognize the same God has inspired all the great religions.
I would urge you to really study the Bible, the Qur'an and other Holy Writings for themselves because I'm convinced you'll find that they do contain guidance and truth... Some of the stories need to be seen as spiritual allegories rather than taken literally. Understand that ancient scriptures particularly are more symbolic in character and when seen in this light are not unscientific.
Finally the Bible as well as the Qur'an relate to historical events for the most part and should be seen as records of the search by man for spiritual truth and guidance.
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Passion fruit wrote:
Why communicate with mankind through holy books, prophets, etc. if God is supposed to omnipotent, it just doesn't make sense to me.
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Well i can understand I think what your saying...
I believe God loves us and doesn't leave us alone without Divine Guidance.. so throughout history He has chosen Messengers and Prophets Who have lived exemplary lives and provided the needed guidance for mankind at crucial epochs in history.
When the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt for centuries, God chose a man who was accused of murder and stammered to bring His message of liberation from tyranny.
When Judea was a Roman province and under Roman rule and the people were exploited by a priestly class that had a spiritual strangle hold on them, God raised up a Man Who was poor and humble but could teach them new spiritual truths, a Messiah fulfilling the prophecies people had been waiting for.
When the Arab tribes were disunited and a prey of powerful empires over a hundred or so years, God chose a Man who was leading caravans and a shepherd to united the tribes for the first time and free His land from exploitation.
So God uses nondescript human beings to reach humanity and bring His Message for the age.
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Why communicate with mankind through holy books, prophets, etc. if God is supposed to omnipotent, it just doesn't make sense to me.
My reply:
Well i can understand I think what your saying...
I believe God loves us and doesn't leave us alone without Divine Guidance.. so throughout history He has chosen Messengers and Prophets Who have lived exemplary lives and provided the needed guidance for mankind at crucial epochs in history.
When the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt for centuries, God chose a man who was accused of murder and stammered to bring His message of liberation from tyranny.
When Judea was a Roman province and under Roman rule and the people were exploited by a priestly class that had a spiritual strangle hold on them, God raised up a Man Who was poor and humble but could teach them new spiritual truths, a Messiah fulfilling the prophecies people had been waiting for.
When the Arab tribes were disunited and a prey of powerful empires over a hundred or so years, God chose a Man who was leading caravans and a shepherd to united the tribes for the first time and free His land from exploitation.
So God uses nondescript human beings to reach humanity and bring His Message for the age.
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Just because you believe they are all myths and superstitions doesnt make it so.
I take it seriously because I that is what I am living for. I am sure you take very seriously what you are living for too?
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Many years of spiritual questing has lead me to believe as I do. I do not follow any specific holy book, but I do believe in the Divine. I enjoy the relationship I have with the Divine, and the spiritual fulfillment I get from my path.
That, however, is just me. If you do not wish to believe in God, and find other things important in your life, that is your own business.
That, however, is just me. If you do not wish to believe in God, and find other things important in your life, that is your own business.
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You should not believe without evidence
if I told you Santa Claus was real I hope you do not take my word for it and request evidence.
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everyone believe in the relegion that raised with untill he found illogiacal points or unanswered questions or unconvinced answers related to his beliefs , then he starts to feel doubt and start to search the truth
for me , no one convinced me that quran isn'w word of God , no one convinced me that mohammed (pbuh) not a prophet , and no one ever can proof that this universe and this creatures are existed by the chance
but why we take it seriously?
becuase we think that there will be afterlife , there will be rewards for believers and there will be bunishment for disblievers
for me , no one convinced me that quran isn'w word of God , no one convinced me that mohammed (pbuh) not a prophet , and no one ever can proof that this universe and this creatures are existed by the chance
but why we take it seriously?
becuase we think that there will be afterlife , there will be rewards for believers and there will be bunishment for disblievers
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the only thing you "should" believe is what your heart and mind tell you.
i don't place my faith in any sort of books, i enjoy using the bible to help me understand what those who first met this God learned from Him, compare my experiences to theirs and feel a sense of acceptance that i'm pretty on par for the experiences of those who did it well enough to stay famous for over two thousand years and when i'm perplexed by a dilema finding an appropriate verse that helps me understand how to get over the hurdle in my way, offering a nice mantra when i'm getting particularly irked.
i've always taken the supernatural seriously, it's always been around me, and the things i've seen and have done leaves no doubt in my mind that some people are able to tap into things that aren't human and utilize It for their own needs.
I take this Lord more seriously than others i've encountered because He's the first one to expect humanistic behavior from me rather than encouraging me to live as an intelligent beast free to do as i please, i represent Him, not Nature.
He expects me to do the best i can as a human, confident that He loves me no matter how much i fail and that when i have nothing else in the world He'll be there whispering in my heart that it's okay, i have Him there.
He's the most hands on God i've encountered and the first one that doesn't leave me feeling drained and exhausted when i pray.
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Passion fruit wrote:
Why communicate with mankind through holy books, prophets, etc. if God is supposed to omnipotent, it just doesn't make sense to me.
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Well i can understand I think what your saying...
I believe God loves us and doesn't leave us alone without Divine Guidance.. so throughout history He has chosen Messengers and Prophets Who have lived exemplary lives and provided the needed guidance for mankind at crucial epochs in history.
When the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt for centuries, God chose a man who was accused of murder and stammered to bring His message of liberation from tyranny.
When Judea was a Roman province and under Roman rule and the people were exploited by a priestly class that had a spiritual strangle hold on them, God raised up a Man Who was poor and humble but could teach them new spiritual truths, a Messiah fulfilling the prophecies people had been waiting for.
When the Arab tribes were disunited and a prey of powerful empires over a hundred or so years, God chose a Man who was leading caravans and a shepherd to united the tribes for the first time and free His land from exploitation.
So God uses nondescript human beings to reach humanity and bring His Message for the age.
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Thanks for you reply.
It's just seem kind of pointless to use flawed human beings to spread an important message.
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Let's not get off topic here. Can anyone explain WHY someone like myself who relies on their own senses, reason and common sense (instead of blindly accepting what others tell them) should believe in the supernatural let alone a god? I have never experienced anything supernatural, NOONE can provide ANY proof of the supernatural. Why should I believe in something when everything indicates its non-existence?
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Then how would you expect God to communicate to humans? Do you have a method better than a medium that they can understand, language?
Then how would you expect God to communicate to humans? Do you have a method better than a medium that they can understand, language?
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It seems to me that you would advocate not attempting to reach flawed beings regardless of their flaws. It would be like not telling your neighbor that his house is on fire because he is flawed or that he should not run into the street because he is flawed. God cares enough to deal with our imperfections. It is not as if we can't comprehend and understand although we are flawed. The problem is not just about being flawed; rather it is more about what we can understand through the gifts he has given us to reason, understand, intellectualize, think, etc. so that we can repent and live a new life once we understand what He is communicating to us.
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That really does not work in every case. Many things that we trust in can't be proven--at least scientifically or experimentally. There are infinite unknowns that we simply can't evidence, at least first hand. If we were to use you advice, we would have to cease to function.
One example that really shoud hit home with you is the issue concerning the existence of God. You don't believe because you don't have enough evidence to convince you. That does not disprove that there is a God. All that it proves is that you don't have enough evidence to convince yourselfd. I don't think that you have considered that your intellectual abilities are not perfect in ascertaining all of the signs and evidence for God. Therefore, you would be making a mistake in announcing that there is no God outside of your capacity to understand, reason, and witness. There is a spiritual realm that does not rely upon the physical, intellectual capacity of humans. There are hidden venues that can account for God even if you were to reject the physical/intellectual perspective.
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If God is supposed to all knowing and powerful, I would think a better medium besides using holy books would be a better way to communicate with human beings. Using holy books for example are at risked to being corrupted, it doesn't make sense to use that. Using a better medium that humans can understand, such as a common language perhaps would seem to make more sense.
My issue with this is there is the assumption that God exist and he's portrayed as being this anthropomorphic God who wants to reach humanity. Why is God portrayed like this?
These are all valid questions, but I guess what a lot of religious people would tell you to have faith.
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