Roman church errors and inventions

[AmericanCatholic]

He didn't say "adoration". He said "unhealthy sinful adoration".
They don't confuse men with God ("as God") they give men glory that is God's.

The quoted poster also said: "Not once did I say [Catholics] treat him as God."

So, again, what's the problem with the adoration if Catholics are not giving adoration reserved for God?

 

[AmericanCatholic]

Flesh brought about schisms and divisions which will continue till the catching away of all true believers to meet Christ in the clouds!

I agree. However, schisms assume the prior existence of a church from which to separate.

 

[Rick Otto]

So then it probably boils down to a difference in definitions of "church" at some point.

 

[ticker]

Roman church errors and inventions

...basically that whole "living for God" thing.

 

[sunlover1]

I agree. However, schisms assume the prior existence of a church from which to separate.

HUH? They had divisions in THE church, and that's what we have
here. Not divisions FROM 'your' church, divisions IN His Church.
Dont make me come over there
(sleepy, going to bed, gnight sleep sweet AC)

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schisme in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. http://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=48842204#_ftn2
e schism: or, division


10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisionsb among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? http://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=48842204#_ftn2b divisions: Gr. schisms



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[katholikos]

Katholikos, Did you at one time go by the name "Terry O'brian" your posting seems familiar. Thanks ..God Bless You!

No, and I have answered this already. But I see that person is spreading this around.

So then it probably boils down to a difference in definitions of "church" at some point.

The Church is the Body of Christ - all believers. Everyone knows that.

The problem comes in where people fail to realize that a body, any body, is both spiritual and physical. A msn is made of body and spirit, and his body has arms and legs and hands and moves in a cohesive manner. The Body of Christ - The Church - must also

Protestants only recognize the spritual aspect of the body of Christ but not the physical. The physical body of Christ in the protestant world has NO cohesive function. It is like a bunch of body parts all flailing around on the floor, because they aren divided into denominations with different ruling bodies.

Human beings cannot function in unison with single purpose without leaders to guide it, and thats why Jesus chose leaders, and one leader in particular, Peter. Jesus knew how people behaved. It is the same reason that the founding fathers established a supreme court along with a constitution, because the constitution, as great as it is, would not alone prevent chaos without a ruling body to interpret and enforce it.

 

[MamaZ]

No, and I have answered this already. But I see that person is spreading this around.

The Church is the Body of Christ - all believer. Everyone knows that.

The problem comes in where people fail to realize that a body, and body, is both spiritual and physical. A msn is made of body and spirit, The body has arms and leges and hands and moves in a cohesive manner.

Protestants only recognize the spritual aspect of the body of christ but not the physical. The physical body of Christ in the protestant world has NO cohesive function. It is like a bunch of body parts all flailing around on the floor, because they aren divided into denominations with different ruling bodies.

Human beings cannot function in unison with single purpose with leaders to guide it, and thats why Jesus chose leaders, and one leader in particular, Peter. Jesus knew how people behaved. It is the same reason that the founding fathers established a supreme court along with a constitution, because the constitution, as great as it is, would not alone prevent chaos without a ruling body to interpret and enforce it.

Protestant churchs have leaders tee hee.. They have Pastor teachers, elders deacons, but what you are missing here is that we are all held together by the Head of the Church Christ Jesus.

 

[katholikos]

(there was some mistake in my post that I fixed)

 

[katholikos]

Protestant churchs have leaders tee hee..

Thats the problem: Many different leaders for many different denominations.. ..tee hee. That is the equivalent of having a hundred presidents of the United States

There is only ONE Body of Christ, and there can only be ONE set of leaders.

 

[MamaZ]

Thats the problem: Many different leaders for many different denominations.. ..tee hee. That is the equivalent of having a hundred presidents of the United States

There is only ONE Body of Christ, and there can only be ONE set of leaders.

We have the president.. Christ and His rule is forever.. He don't change His leadersip.. He is head. HE has never stepped down nor will He ever step down.

 

[katholikos]

We have the president.. Christ and His rule is forever.. He don't change His leadersip.. He is head. HE has never stepped down nor will He ever step down.

I'm talking about on earth, and you know it

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I'm talking about on earth, and you know it

That is Sola Scriptura for ya. Everyone can have their own belief.

As a Catholic we have to accept that even if it makes no sense. But in today's world people value personal freedom of view over anything else. But as a Catholic we always have to place God and His church first, even before self and family. That reminds me of a man that said he would sacrifice his son for God...


Oh! The reason I even posted was to say that the Kingdom of Heaven extends to Earth and it goes to the Gates of Hell.

 

[MamaZ]

He is also the President here on earth.. For Christ is not dead..He lives.. He may not be walking the earth in a fleshly Body but He does know and see all that Goes on and still has the Power to predestine what is going to happen.. He is the head of His church that is living here on earth.. This is why He has sent the Holy Spirit. The true Vicar of Christ.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

He is also the President here on earth.. For Christ is not dead..He lives.. He may not be walking the earth in a fleshly Body but He does know and see all that Goes on and still has the Power to predestine what is going to happen.. He is the head of His church that is living here on earth.. This is why He has sent the Holy Spirit. The true Vicar of Christ.

Correction.

Not President but KING and HIGH PRIEST.

Jesus has taken His throne in Heaven next to His Father and Jesus has left a steward here on Earth to see to His affairs while He is away AND HIs Spirit (Paraclete) is here always to help us. When He returns we will rush UP to see HIm like in the days of old when the King returned.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

As a Catholic we have to accept that even if it makes no sense.

Interesting you actually admit it....

Yes, as a Catholic (well, a faithful and non-heretical one anyway), the RCC itself alone requires that you accept "with docility" WHATEVER that singular denomination tells you. It is accountable to nothing (but itself) but all Catholics MUST just accept whatever it says. With docility. Protestants: Read the Catholic Catechism # 87 (for starters) - this is the foundation of Catholicism. It used to be the same in Mormonism, but the LDS has (in recent years) really backed off from this, so now the RCC pretty much stands alone here.

But in today's world people value personal freedom of view over anything else. But as a Catholic we always have to place God and His church first, even before self and family.

Again, I'm kinda amazed by your frankness. Yes, the RCC prizes its absolute individualism and authority above all else. IT demands that it is the sole authority, sole interpreter, sole arbiter, infallible, unaccountable, when it speaks, Jesus speaks. It prizes this individualism and unaccountability above all else. But it makes a 180 degree turn for all others (a double standard if there ever was one!). YOU are REQUIRED to accept WHATEVER it says, "with docility." Even above family and self, you MUST submit to it - unquestionably, as unto Jesus. It, however, submits to nothing but itself. YOU are accountable, it is not.






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[JacktheCatholic]

Josiah let me clarify for you.

When I said

As a Catholic we have to accept that even if it makes no sense.

I was referring to the false teachings in Sola Scriptura circles and NOT Catholic teachings.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Josiah... again I need to clarify further for you.

When I said

But in today's world people value personal freedom of view over anything else. But as a Catholic we always have to place God and His church first, even before self and family.

I was saying God is always first. I will try to keep it more simple in the future.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

When I said I was referring to the false teachings in Sola Scriptura circles and NOT Catholic teachings.

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You said, "As a Catholic we have to accept that even if it makes no sense.'

Thus, you spoke of your role as a CATHOLIC.
The RCC and LDS are to two main opponents of Sola Scriptura, so I frankly doubt you were talking about your use of Sola Scriptura.


I agreed with what you posted. You are absolutely correct: as a Catholic (well, a faithful and non-heretical one anyway), the RCC itself alone requires that you accept "with docility" WHATEVER that particular singular denomination tells you. It is accountable to nothing (but itself) but all Catholics MUST just accept whatever it says. With docility. Whether it "makes sense" or has any substantiation is entirely and completely moot. The RCC speaks, the faithful just accept it "with docility" because the self-same RCC requires that.


(Protestants: Our Catholic friend is revealing MUCH. Read the Catholic Catechism # 87 (for starters) - this is the foundation of Catholicism. It used to be the same in Mormonism, but the LDS has (in recent years) really backed off from this, so now the RCC pretty much stands alone here.)



Thanks again!


Pax!


- Josiah





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[sunlover1]

Tiz rather funny how you don't misspell many words but the ones you do misspell TERRY O'BRIEN does as well...
did I misspell mispell

:O No WAY!
Sock puppet alert lol.
U sure simon? Terry was an angry guy, katholikos is
more good natured.

Although his taste in avatar art is almost identical.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

:O No WAY!
Sock puppet alert lol.
U sure simon? Terry was an angry guy, katholikos is
more good natured.

Although his taste in avatar art is almost identical.

Simon should be an investigator.

Maybe he is...