Peter Is Not The Rock!

[JacktheCatholic]

Greetings. Do ya think him and the other Apostles [excpet "judas" I would think] are still on thrones judging the Jews?

Matthew 19:28 The yet Jesus said to them, "Amen I am saying to ye, that ye the ones-following to Me in the again-generation/paliggenesia <3824> whenever should be seating the Son of the Man upon a throne of glory of Him shall be sitting also ye on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of the Israel. [Luke 22/Reve 20]

Not only the Jews but all of the new Israel I would suspect.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not only the Jews but all of the new Israel I would suspect.

The OC Jews would be judged under the Law of Moses also. The OC Judeans that would be coming to JESUS would also be persecuted and giving up to be put to death by them.

Ya ever study on that "accuser" in Reve 12:10?

John 5:45 `No be ye supposing that I shall be accusing of-ye toward the Father, is the one accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) of-ye, Moses into whom ye have hoped; [Reve 12:10]

Reve 12:10 And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us day and night.

 

[MamaZ]

His body is dead but he is alive in Heaven.

and Peter is omnipresent? Knowing all seeing all and has all power to keep the church built?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

and Peter is omnipresent? Knowing all seeing all and has all power to keep the church built?

I believe Peter's main job was to keep the OC Judeans to obey the full law of Moses. The RCs just focus to much on peter.

Galations 2:7 But the instead I saw that having been entrusted with the Good-Message of the uncircumcision according as Peter with the circumcision

Galations 2:8 For the one-in-working to Peter into an apostleship of the circumcision in-works also to me into the nations.

 

[MamaZ]

I believe Peter's main job was to keep the OC Judeans to obey the full law of Moses. The RCs just focus to much on peter.

Galations 2:7 But the instead I saw that having been entrusted with the Good-Message of the uncircumcision according as Peter with the circumcision

Galations 2:8 For the one-in-working to Peter into an apostleship of the circumcision in-works also to me into the nations.

 

[Rhamiel]

MamaZ

and Peter is omnipresent? Knowing all seeing all and has all power to keep the church built?

it does not take omnipresesence and omnipotence to hear a few million prayers, do you think so little of God that when we say a Saint in Heaven can hear a few million prayers at the same time, that we are putting him on the same leval as God??? God is so far beyond all of us, His ways are above our ways. What is a the soul of a Saint, a human spirit, no matter how beautiful and pure, compared to God, a Saint can hear our prayers and pray for us, only through the grace and mercy of our Lord, but the Lord Himself, He has set everything in this world and the next, every atom He created, the Universe was ordered by Him.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeah, I get that from the RCs and Orthodox a lot also

 

[MamaZ]

MamaZ
it does not take omnipresesence and omnipotence to hear a few million prayers, do you think so little of God that when we say a Saint in Heaven can hear a few million prayers at the same time, that we are putting him on the same leval as God??? God is so far beyond all of us, His ways are above our ways. What is a the soul of a Saint, a human spirit, no matter how beautiful and pure, compared to God, a Saint can hear our prayers and pray for us, only through the grace and mercy of our Lord, but the Lord Himself, He has set everything in this world and the next, every atom He created, the Universe was ordered by Him.

Only God can see all, know all ,hear all ,and be everywhere..
IT is not the spirit of Peter that the church is in unity with the Father but the very Spirit of God and Christ.. The Holy Spirit our gauranteer of being one with the Father through Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit. We are not told to bapitse anyone in the name of Peter..

 

[Rhamiel]

MamaZ

Only God can see all, know all ,hear all ,and be everywhere..

I do not say he can hear all, only a few million prayers at the same time, to say I am putting him on the same leval as God when all he can do is hear a few million prayers at once is an insult to God.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

The OC Jews would be judged under the Law of Moses also. The OC Judeans that would be coming to JESUS would also be persecuted and giving up to be put to death by them.

God has only one set of laws based around Love. The OC Jews and everyone else are to follow them, no exceptions and no different rules.

• John 1:14 NIV The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

• John 1:17 NIV For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

it does not take omnipresesence and omnipotence to hear a few million prayers, do you think so little of God that when we say a Saint in Heaven can hear a few million prayers at the same time, that we are putting him on the same leval as God??? God is so far beyond all of us, His ways are above our ways. What is a the soul of a Saint, a human spirit, no matter how beautiful and pure, compared to God, a Saint can hear our prayers and pray for us, only through the grace and mercy of our Lord, but the Lord Himself, He has set everything in this world and the next, every atom He created, the Universe was ordered by Him.

I believe that only those given the sight can see how powerful God truly is and know that those in Heaven with Him share in His glory. We must pray for those that cannot see.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

God has only one set of laws based around Love. The OC Jews and everyone else are to follow them, no exceptions and no different rules.

• John 1:14 NIV The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

• John 1:17 NIV For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

So how does the RCC view that accuser in Revelation.

John 5:45 `No be ye supposing that I shall be accusing of-ye toward the Father, is the one accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) of-ye, Moses into whom ye have hoped; [Reve 12:10]

Reve 12:10 And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser/kathgoroV <2725> of the brothers of us, the accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us day and night.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So how does the RCC view that accuser in Revelation.

John 5:45 `No be ye supposing that I shall be accusing of-ye toward the Father, is the one accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) of-ye, Moses into whom ye have hoped; [Reve 12:10]

Reve 12:10 And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser/kathgoroV <2725> of the brothers of us, the accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us day and night.

Are you referring to Rev 12:10?



7 And there was a great battle in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels. 8 And they prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth: and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of the testimony: and they loved not their lives unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.


It seems rather obvious...


The accuser: the meaning of the Hebrew word "Satan," found in Rev 12:9; Job 1-2; Zechariah 3:1; 1 Chron 21:1; he continues to accuse Christ's disciples.

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation12.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It seems rather obvious...

It does? Then why is all Christianity confused on it. Do you think the Jews would understand who it is symbolizing

Reve 2:9 I have seen of thee [*the works and] the tribulation and the poverty,[*but] rich [*yet] are. And the blasphemy of the ones saying Judeans to be selves, and not they-are, but a synagogue of the Satan.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It does?

Yes.

The Catholic Church has no problem with understanding this and for all those that seek the Truth they will find the Catholic Church.

1 Tim 3:15 the pillar and foundation of truth

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes.

The Catholic Church has no problem with understanding this and for all those that seek the Truth they will find the Catholic Church.

1 Tim 3:15 the pillar and foundation of truth

But of course

Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the Sand of the Sea, the Remnant shall be being saved'". [Isaiah 10:22,23]

Reve 20:8 and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the in the Four Corners of the Land, the Gog and Magog, to be together-assembling them into the battle of which the Number of them as the Sand of the Sea.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]

 

[MamaZ]

MamaZ
I do not say he can hear all, only a few million prayers at the same time, to say I am putting him on the same leval as God when all he can do is hear a few million prayers at once is an insult to God.

To say that Peter hears the prayers of the saints is an insult to God. For all of Gods people are saints.. Peter is asleep in total rest. His body has yet to be ressurrected into the incorruptable.. We His saints here on earth build our life on the Rock.. Christ Jesus the firstborn of many..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To say that Peter hears the prayers of the saints is an insult to God. For all of Gods people are saints.. Peter is asleep in total rest. His body has yet to be ressurrected into the incorruptable.. We His saints here on earth build our life on the Rock.. Christ Jesus the firstborn of many..

2 Timothy 2:17 And the word of them like cancer pasture shall be having.of whom is Hymenaeus/umenaioV <5211> and Philetus/filhtoV <5372>,
18 Who-any about the truth deviate saying the Resurrection already to have become and are reverting/overthrowing the of any Faith.

 

[Annolennar]

To say that Peter hears the prayers of the saints is an insult to God. For all of Gods people are saints..

As far as I can tell, this is just your personal opinion, as the fact that "all of God's people are saints" does not logically lead to Peter's hearing prayers being an insult to God.

Care to expound upon this point?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe that only those given the sight can see how powerful God truly is and know that those in Heaven with Him share in His glory. We must pray for those that cannot see.

That would indeed take an act of the Holy Spirit for those.

John 9:39 And said the Jesus "into judgement I, into the world, this, came. That the ones no seeing may be seeing, and the ones seeing, blind may be becoming".
41 Said to them the Jesus "if Blind ye were, not ever ye had sin. Now yet, ye are saying that 'we are seeing', the sin of ye is remaining".

Reve 3:17 That thou are saying that Rich I am, and I have become rich and not yet one need I am having. And not are aware that thou are the weight-calloused and forlorn and poor and Blind and naked. 18 I am together-advising to thee to buy beside of Me gold, having been fired out of fire, that thou should be being rich, and garments, white, that thou may be being about-cast/clothed and no may be being made manifest the vileness of the nakedness of thee, and eye-salve to annoint the eyes of thee, that thou may be seeing [Luke 16:19-26/John 9:39]