Doing my head in!

[Zecryphon]

I have been checking out the liberal Forum and to be Honest I have never been so angry in my life! It's the way they twist scripture and Deny basic Christian theology such as Hell and Homosexuality!

What is wrong with this world!

The problem is this: liberals believe there is a truth, but that truth can never be known. This dillema creates a major problem for them as people, because like all people they have an innate desire to know what the truth is. So they're constantly at war with not only themselves but others as well. So to get around or to fix this dillema they accept everything under the sun as being possibly true, because if they deny something, some belief as true, they may have dismissed the truth. The reason they fight so vehemently with conservatives is because we believe there is an absolute truth. This goes against everything they believe because the heart of liberal belief is that truth can never be known. So when they reject our teaching on what is true, they're not really rejecting the teaching itself, they're rejecting the idea that what you're saying is true, because truth can not be known. The furthest they will allow themselves to go is that what you say is possibly true or a truth but it is not THE truth because that can never be known. And that mindset is maddening to a Christian.

 

[Nadiine]

The problem is this: liberals believe there is a truth, but that truth can never be known. This dillema creates a major problem for them as people, because like all people they have an innate desire to know what the truth is. So they're constantly at war with not only themselves but others as well. So to get around or to fix this dillema they accept everything under the sun as being possibly true, because if they deny something, some belief as true, they may have dismissed the truth. The reason they fight so vehemently with conservatives is because we believe there is an absolute truth. This goes against everything they believe because the heart of liberal belief is that truth can never be known. So when they reject our teaching on what is true, they're not really rejecting the teaching itself, they're rejecting the idea that what you're saying is true, because truth can not be known. The furthest they will allow themselves to go is that what you say is possibly true or a truth but it is not THE truth because that can never be known. And that mindset is maddening to a Christian.

In your explanation here it would seem to call Jesus a liar when He said "I AM the way the TRUTH and the life".
But then.... look how many liberals dismiss the Bible as absolute truth - or truth you can know (ie. relative/subjective truth according to private interpretation of each reader).

So basically your points sound pretty accurate, altho I do hear some of them claim there is one God. (good luck defining Him tho)

 

[Zecryphon]

In your explanation here it would seem to call Jesus a liar when He said "I AM the way the TRUTH and the life".
But then.... look how many liberals dismiss the Bible as absolute truth - or truth you can know (ie. relative/subjective truth according to private interpretation of each reader).

So basically your points sound pretty accurate, altho I do hear some of them claim there is one God. (good luck defining Him tho)

I think the liberal response to that statement is : 'how can a person be the truth, when truth is a concept or an idea?' They become like Nicodemus. They are slaves to the law of liberalism. I know one person in CF who is so liberal that their beliefs do result in Jesus being a liar because this person denies Jesus is God, denies His resurrection and denies that His death atoned for their sins. This person who denies ALL of those thing still refers to themselves as a Christian. That to me is mind-boggling. The most I can say about such a person is they are a fan of Christ not a follower of Christ. This person is one of those who thinks that Jesus was a good person with some nice ideas. He was a wise teacher but certainly not a savior, let alone their savior.

 

[Criada]

A lot of stereotyping going on here

Liberals have things they are wrong on. But, so do I, I am sure.
And fortunately, God's grace is very, very big

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

If you spend too much time on the liberal forum ... your head will explode.

My head not asplode yet!

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Maybe instead of making threads that would seem to bash the liberal counterparts, we would better off making threads to edify our own selves.

Unless, of course, people think they are being edified by constantly bringing up the shortcomings of everyone who is not conservative...

 

[Zecryphon]

Maybe instead of making threads that would seem to bash the liberal counterparts, we would better off making threads to edify our own selves.

Unless, of course, people think they are being edified by constantly bringing up the shortcomings of everyone who is not conservative...

We must be reading different threads because I don't see anybody bashing liberals here. I do see a discussion about why liberals are the way they are. Is that considered 'bashing' in CF now? My post is based upon my experiences with liberals. Your suggestion isn't any better. A thread that edifies conservatives will look like we're all patting ourselves on the back for how awesome we are, because we're conservative. The only difference will be that people will then be left to infer that liberal theology is bad instead of knowing why it's bad. I think it's better that people have the truth instead of making up their own.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Okay then, we don't need to start threads that talk about why liberals are the way they are. We don't even really need to start threads to talk about their theology because we already know we don't agree with it.

How about this: everyone go a week without saying anything about liberals. Focus on the ministry that is happening HERE, focus on what is happening in our own lives.

If that's too hard for you to do...well...

 

[Nadiine]

Okay then, we don't need to start threads that talk about why liberals are the way they are. We don't even really need to start threads to talk about their theology because we already know we don't agree with it.

How about this: everyone go a week without saying anything about liberals. Focus on the ministry that is happening HERE, focus on what is happening in our own lives.

If that's too hard for you to do...well...

So..... lets just dictate what everyone posts & decide how this forum must be run?

wow.

Everyone should be able to feel free to start any thread they desire and not be forced by any pressure to conform to yours or my ideals for this area or any area.
We all have the right to ignore threads we don't want to participate in or encourage --
just don't go to them.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

So..... lets just dictate what everyone posts & decide how this forum must be run?

wow.

Huh? Boy you're reading way too much into my posts. It's a suggestion, it's not a policy.

This is the conservative Christian forum. Why are we always talking about liberals?

I realize it's gonna be challenging. I'm going to do my best to do it. Can you do it?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

So..... lets just dictate what everyone posts & decide how this forum must be run?

wow.

Everyone should be able to feel free to start any thread they desire and not be forced by any pressure to conform to yours or my ideals for this area or any area.
We all have the right to ignore threads we don't want to participate in or encourage --
just don't go to them.

I find the last sentence quite ironic given the hard time poor Carolyn was given for posting scripture of all things...

 

[Nadiine]

Huh? Boy you're reading way too much into my posts. It's a suggestion, it's not a policy.

This is the conservative Christian forum. Why are we always talking about liberals?

I realize it's gonna be challenging. I'm going to do my best to do it. Can you do it?

I get your 'vibe' loud and clear PW - Obviously I'm not reading in too much by this reply you offered.

You seem to think people can't even not talk about a liberal - the issue is they should feel Free to be able to, without your pressure or others.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm merely asking a question Nadiine. Can you go a week without talking about liberals? You yourself have just maintained that anyone should be able to post what they want, so why are you downing me for doing just that?

It's a question. I think, though, that maybe it's a question that pricking something in your heart and I don't think you like it much. Too much time is spent here bashing and talking about liberals. That's my opinion...you know, the opinion that you said five minutes ago everyone is allowed to have.

 

[Nadiine]

what's more interesting to me is why people start threads and then never show back up in them to participate? hmm


I don't personally care if I see one more liberal post to be honest.

I just dislike that anyone could feel pressured to avoid a subject they wanted to start becuz of people's admonishment.

 

[Nadiine]

I'm merely asking a question Nadiine. Can you go a week without talking about liberals? You yourself have just maintained that anyone should be able to post what they want, so why are you downing me for doing just that?

It's a question. I think, though, that maybe it's a question that pricking something in your heart and I don't think you like it much. Too much time is spent here bashing and talking about liberals. That's my opinion...you know, the opinion that you said five minutes ago everyone is allowed to have.

:o

 

[Nadiine]

Can you go a week without talking about liberals

Please recheck the member name who STARTED this thread...

is my name under it? no

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Well, Nadiine, it was a general observation/question until you started coming up with all these arguments that it wasn't fair or that I was somehow limiting you guys.

Whatever. If you think your time is well-spent bashing the libs go for it. It's worked for this long, so I suppose why stop now.

 

[Secundulus]

Okay then, we don't need to start threads that talk about why liberals are the way they are. We don't even really need to start threads to talk about their theology because we already know we don't agree with it.

How about this: everyone go a week without saying anything about liberals. Focus on the ministry that is happening HERE, focus on what is happening in our own lives.

If that's too hard for you to do...well...

[In Captain Kirk voice]: "Must ....resist... talking... about... liberals.

 

[Zecryphon]

Huh? Boy you're reading way too much into my posts. It's a suggestion, it's not a policy.

This is the conservative Christian forum. Why are we always talking about liberals?

I realize it's gonna be challenging. I'm going to do my best to do it. Can you do it?

I don't think Nadiine's reading anything into your post that isn't there. I reached the same conclusion that she did. You have to remember that although this is supposed to be the conservative forum, it's not only conservatives who come here. We have someone who is being driven mad by liberal theology. Now, he is partially responsible for that as he did go to their forum and expose himself to what they believe. But now he's here asking for our help in understanding why they are the way they are and that's what I'm trying to do. Nadiine is probbly the best person to talk to on this because she used to be one. Also, not everybody who is a conservative automatically knows why liberal theology is bad. Threads like this one explain why and are not bashing anybody. But since you seem to think this thread is so horrible, shut it down because you read something you didn't like. I've seen this behavior from others on here. I hope I don't see it from you. And your last sentence to Nadiine sounds an awful lot like baiting to me. That's still a citable violation isn't it? You might want to edit that out. I know we all say things in the heat of the moment that we do not mean. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.

 

[Nadiine]

[In Captain Kirk voice]: "Must ....resist... talking... about... liberals.

oh my gosh.........

I needed that laugh, thank u Sec

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=3b56e0u0EgQ