Doing my head in!

[Nadiine]

No-one is being bashed.

Tis just how conversations develop, sis. Am certainly not claiming you started the thread (I don't know why that's even an issue?), and I've NO idea how it's suddenly become about you being bashed. If any example of that could be highlighted, I'd appreciate it so I can edit.

All I'm saying is I think we should stay out of WWMC, and I don't think we should discuss them like this here. No-one has to listen to a word am saying.

Seriously, if you could highlight anywhere you've been attacked or bashed, I'd be very grateful so I can remove it straight away

EDIT: We were posting at the same time Ok, am glad you didn't feel attacked Fwiw, though, PW wasn't being attacky, either. It really didn't read that way. I think much of the disagreement comes from our respective understandings of the word "bash"

You're welcome to view it as PW wasn't being attackey... this was what I meant the other day when I said how differently we all view things personally. I have no problem with that GM.

I have no ill will here and have every intention of going on as usual enjoying this forum with some great people and hope the forum flourishes with some great dialog (whatever dialog people want to chat about).


I've pretty much explained everything, so I'll just stop discussing it here so nothing gets started unecessarily.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

You're welcome to view it as PW wasn't being attackey... this was what I meant the other day when I said how differently we all view things personally. I have no problem with that GM.

I have no ill will here and have every intention of going on as usual enjoying this forum with some great people and hope the forum flourishes with some great dialog (whatever dialog people want to chat about).


I've pretty much explained everything, so I'll just stop discussing it here so nothing gets started unecessarily.

Ok

But, hey! Look at how we can all disagree but still be kind This forum has come such a long way since last year. Makes me so happy

But I understand not wanting to discuss it further, and you're probably right

 

[Zecryphon]

I'd just like to know how I caught the brunt of this when it's somebody elses thread???

I'm guessing GM still has me on ignore. Cuz I'm certain that if she saw any of my posts regarding this request of PW's, she'd be all over me too and you wouldn't be getting the brunt of the criticism. We'd share it equally, regardless of the fact that neither one of us started this thread.

 

[Zecryphon]

I think we need to remember that there are a lot of areas on this site where conservatives and liberal can, and do, debate theology. And that is, imo, a good thing.

However, this is supposed to be a conservative area, and it would be good to spend more time building one another up, discussing scripture, talking about the things God is doing in our lives, and generally edifying one another. Some of us will want to stay here and concentrate on that, others will want to go out into the more combative areas and debate and stand up for their beliefs. Both are absolutely entitled to do that.
But, those who come in from the battle need to leave their weapons at the door and use this as a place of refreshment among brothers and sisters, not as a place to bring the battle.
I have not seen many liberals actually coming in here to make trouble. there has been some discussion in the debate area, but n the whole our guests have been courteous.
this is not a place to fight, and neither is their home.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you really see CC becoming a fellowship forum?

 

[Zecryphon]

GM: No-one is being bashed.

Glad to hear it. Then there's absolutely no reason to request that people refrain for a week from making certain types of threads.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you really see CC becoming a fellowship forum?

It's a fellowship forum for conservatives.

It's like I said in a PM, it's supposed to be our safe haven. It's not much of a safe haven away from the theologies of liberals and whatnot if there's constantly threads being started on it, or conversations within threads that revolve around liberals.

It's like we have some weird fascination with them that we can't get past.

 

[MrJim]

It's a fellowship forum for conservatives.

It's like I said in a PM, it's supposed to be our safe haven. It's not much of a safe haven away from the theologies of liberals and whatnot if there's constantly threads being started on it, or conversations within threads that revolve around liberals.

It's like we have some weird fascination with them that we can't get past.

And as long as we don't talk religion it works out pretty good

Breakdowns happen here when the various conservative traditions start comparing notes, seeing the differences, arguing the differences, and getting angry over not being able to convert the mistaken person, especially those poor Lutherans .

Seems we're best off keeping the volatile topics either in the debate forum or GT.

 

[Zecryphon]

It's a fellowship forum for conservatives.

It's like I said in a PM, it's supposed to be our safe haven. It's not much of a safe haven away from the theologies of liberals and whatnot if there's constantly threads being started on it, or conversations within threads that revolve around liberals.

It's like we have some weird fascination with them that we can't get past.

I don't know if there is or there isn't a weird fascination with liberals. I do know that someone came in here and started a thread seeking to understand why liberals are the way they are. Since he asked for help, I did my best to help him.

I don't think this forum will survive as a purely fellowship forum. Fellowship threads and forums tend to be one big hug fest and that doesn't appeal to really that many people. You have a group of conservatives here, with differing theological backgrounds. If we do discuss scripture, as Criada included in her list of things we can do in this forum, there IS going to be debate. I don't want to have to take all conservative theological debate over to the debate sub-forum, because then we will also have to deal with non-members debating with us, when we may not want their input.

So to make this a strictly fellowship forum, which usually means no debate ever, I don't think is going to work. There must be a balance. One possible solution would be to put the word "Debate" in the thread title, so people who don't want to debate or don't like confrontation know to stay away from that thread.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

And as long as we don't talk religion it works out pretty good

Breakdowns happen here when the various conservative traditions start comparing notes, seeing the differences, arguing the differences, and getting angry over not being able to convert the mistaken person, especially those poor Lutherans .

Seems we're best off keeping the volatile topics either in the debate forum or GT.

Don't make me steal Zec's lutefisk!!

Just an example of something. There's a great discussion on baptism around this forum somewhere (might even be in the debate area, can't remember!) where we're not all agreeing and it's not fluff, and it's not about liberals. I'd love to see more of that.

My challenge wasn't a dictation to anyone in this forum. I was just surprised it was met with such, I don't even know how to describe it. I merely asked if people could do that. Obviously people can't, and I'm okay with that. I'm still going to put my challenge into place and not talk about liberals for a week here, and I'm going to avoid threads that I find move to that area.

 

[Zecryphon]

And as long as we don't talk religion it works out pretty good

Breakdowns happen here when the various conservative traditions start comparing notes, seeing the differences, arguing the differences, and getting angry over not being able to convert the mistaken person, especially those poor Lutherans .

Seems we're best off keeping the volatile topics either in the debate forum or GT.

Alms for the Lutherans! Alms for the Lutherans! Haven't you heard? We're poor! Take pity on us! After all, we got you Protestants started!!!

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I think people are misunderstanding to a great degree what I was asking people to do. I LIKE debate. I LIKE discussions. I'm not saying they should stop. I'm not saying let's only have fluff here.

But it's the conservative forum. Let's keep it that way and talk about conservative things. We all disagree enough on our own without bringing other theology into play.

I don't know if there is or there isn't a weird fascination with liberals. I do know that someone came in here and started a thread seeking to understand why liberals are the way they are. Since he asked for help, I did my best to help him.

I don't think this forum will survive as a purely fellowship forum. Fellowship threads and forums tend to be one big hug fest and that doesn't appeal to really that many people. You have a group of conservatives here, with differing theological backgrounds. If we do discuss scripture, as Criada included in her list of things we can do in this forum, there IS going to be debate. I don't want to have to take all conservative theological debate over to the debate sub-forum, because then we will also have to deal with non-members debating with us, when we may not want their input.

So to make this a strictly fellowship forum, which usually means no debate ever, I don't think is going to work. There must be a balance. One possible solution would be to put the word "Debate" in the thread title, so people who don't want to debate or don't like confrontation know to stay away from that thread.

 

[Zecryphon]

Don't make me steal Zec's lutefisk!!

Just an example of something. There's a great discussion on baptism around this forum somewhere (might even be in the debate area, can't remember!) where we're not all agreeing and it's not fluff, and it's not about liberals. I'd love to see more of that.

My challenge wasn't a dictation to anyone in this forum. I was just surprised it was met with such, I don't even know how to describe it. I merely asked if people could do that. Obviously people can't, and I'm okay with that. I'm still going to put my challenge into place and not talk about liberals for a week here, and I'm going to avoid threads that I find move to that area.

You don't have to steal one. I have plenty to go around. This is a picture from my backyard:

Ah the endless supply of Cod on racks that will one day be the dreaded 'fisk.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

 

[Criada]

We can have plenty of arguments.. sorry, debates .... onissues that we disagree on, rather than on so called liberal issues Because the fact that we all call ourselves conservative doesn't mean that we are all theologically identical.. and it is always interesting to find out why other people think as they do, and how our interpretation of scripture differs.
Baptism is a good one, as are women in ministry, ordination, capital punishment, the rapture , I could go on
We've had threads on all these before, and it would be interesting to take another look at some of them.
But, they seem to peter out far more quickly than those where we can all agree that the liberals are wrong....

 

[Nadiine]

I think people are misunderstanding to a great degree what I was asking people to do. I LIKE debate. I LIKE discussions. I'm not saying they should stop. I'm not saying let's only have fluff here.

But it's the conservative forum. Let's keep it that way and talk about conservative things. We all disagree enough on our own without bringing other theology into play.

I just have a second to pop in & have to get back to work --

I knew what you were saying PW, but it doesn't remove the point I was making, in that even your request above creates a form of pressure on members-when enough outspoken members intimate the same suggestion (let me list 3 here: Criada, GM, PW = all staff), it turns into pressure to have the forum steer towards what YOU want it to be - that pressure becomes a form of intimidation to members; how? by expecting a backlash or scolding if members don't pick general fellowship topics or start controversial topics.

& liberalism IS a conservative topic becuz we're forced to live in a liberalized world; both politically and spiritually - it affects us all (adversely in most conservatives cases).

Do you see where I'm coming from? When 2 admin's & 1 mod in the same section are telling everyone they want fellowship threads & only talking about 'conservative issues' (ie. their brand or ideal of what is 'conservative'), it can be intimidating to others to "CONFORM" to that suggestion.

I'd feel intimidated if I were shy, or didn't post alot or was newer and saw this in a section.

I don't know how else to explain it - that is what I don't want for anyone to feel here when creating topics or posting.
So I fully understand your point, but it still causes people to feel restriction in their home forum.
People should be free to talk about what they want with no fear of retaliation for it; liberalism, mormonism, paganism, atheism, cults, entertainment, abortion, philosophy, ethics, scripture, weather, sports, food, church, pets, Christian liberties...........
whatever.

If we don't like a thread topic, don't post on it & maybe it will go away if we're lucky

I hope that explains anything that I might not have relayed before - and that's not meant as attack either - I'm all for what you guys want too, I just don't want people feeling restriction when it's required or requested to the forum.

 

[CaDan]

Alms for the Lutherans! Alms for the Lutherans! Haven't you heard? We're poor! Take pity on us! After all, we got you Protestants started!!!

*tosses lutefisk and lefse into Zec's beggar's bowl*

 

[Zecryphon]

*tosses lutefisk and lefse into Zec's beggar's bowl*

Lutefisk has no street value, man!!! That's just cold. Thanks for the Lefse though. I understand it is quite tasty.

 

[CaDan]

Lutefisk has no street value, man!!! That's just cold. Thanks for the Lefse though. I understand it is quite tasty.

No street value?

I'm sorry, but this will have to be reported to the Luther League.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I just have a second to pop in & have to get back to work --

Slacker.

I knew what you were saying PW, but it doesn't remove the point I was making, in that even your request above creates a form of pressure on members-when enough outspoken members intimate the same suggestion (let me list 3 here: Criada, GM, PW = all staff), it turns into pressure to have the forum steer towards what YOU want it to be - that pressure becomes a form of intimidation to members; how? by expecting a backlash or scolding if members don't pick general fellowship topics or start controversial topics.

We, as staff, can only action posts that go against the SoF, the FSGs or the site-wide rules. I could understand the frustration if the three of us were trying to get the FSGs changed or something. But I wasn't even coming at it from a staffer's standpoint, I was coming at it from a member's standpoint. But I can also understand your concern more now that you've explained that.

One thing to bear in mind...when I speak as a staff member, I'll speak with a mod hat.

& liberalism IS a conservative topic becuz we're forced to live in a liberalized world; both politically and spiritually - it affects us all (adversely in most conservatives cases).

No one is saying it isn't...I'm certainly bombarded with the topic throughout the day in other areas where I moderate. That's why I like this as my safe haven!!

Do you see where I'm coming from? When 2 admin's & 1 mod in the same section are telling everyone they want fellowship threads & only talking about 'conservative issues' (ie. their brand or ideal of what is 'conservative'), it can be intimidating to others to "CONFORM" to that suggestion.

I definitely see where you're coming from, and I apologize for that. As stated above, when I need to talk in terms of staff, I'll do with a mod hat. Otherwise, my posts are from a normal member standpoint.

I'd feel intimidated if I were shy, or didn't post alot or was newer and saw this in a section.

Certainly not the intention. It was just a suggestion...like deciding to not eat a certain food for a week or something.

I don't know how else to explain it - that is what I don't want for anyone to feel here when creating topics or posting.
So I fully understand your point, but it still causes people to feel restriction in their home forum.
People should be free to talk about what they want with no fear of retaliation for it; liberalism, mormonism, paganism, atheism, cults, entertainment, abortion, philosophy, ethics, scripture, weather, sports, food, church, pets, Christian liberties...........
whatever.

Gotcha. People can still be free to post about what they want. It wasn't a forced thing and I wouldn't have commented anymore on other threads where liberals were talked about. Because that would've been breaking my own challenge to myself!

If we don't like a thread topic, don't post on it & maybe it will go away if we're lucky

I hope that explains anything that I might not have relayed before - and that's not meant as attack either - I'm all for what you guys want too, I just don't want people feeling restriction when it's required or requested to the forum.

Makes total sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I hope that my explanations have helped, too.

 

[Zecryphon]

No street value?

I'm sorry, but this will have to be reported to the Luther League.

Yes, no street value as in you can't give that stuff away. Here I am begging and even I don't want it. The Luther League will probably deny it's existence altogether. LOL