Doing my head in!

[Zecryphon]

I'm merely asking a question Nadiine. Can you go a week without talking about liberals? You yourself have just maintained that anyone should be able to post what they want, so why are you downing me for doing just that?

It's a question. I think, though, that maybe it's a question that pricking something in your heart and I don't think you like it much. Too much time is spent here bashing and talking about liberals. That's my opinion...you know, the opinion that you said five minutes ago everyone is allowed to have.

Nadiine isn't 'downing' you. She's trying to point out that your dare actually works against freely posting topics in here. First, it's a 'request' to go a week without talking about liberals. What's next? A month? A request one day from a mod can easily turn into a policy if you're not paying attention. With the current atmosphere in this forum, everybody is watchin' everybody else and from what I've seen since I've been here... rightly so.

 

[Secundulus]

oh my gosh.........

I needed that laugh, thank u Sec

That was my favorite show back when I was a kid.

JAMES T. KIRK ... The Original Sarah Palin.

 

[Nadiine]

That was my favorite show back when I was a kid.

JAMES T. KIRK ... The Original Sarah Palin.

mine too - I was pretty little but loved Kirk.
I always remembered him in that episode with the shock collars & fighting in that ring LOL (that could warp a little girl seeing stuff like that)

Zec: Nadiine isn't 'downing' you. She's trying to point out that your dare actually works against freely posting topics in here.

Yes that was my whole point.

I looked at the join date of the OP and he's a new member, I don't think we should make new members feel guilty about the posts they make and it gives people the feeling of being pressured to follow some type of format that people demand in here.

I also didn't view this thread as bashing either... I think our posts were kind of serious about the topic - but this wasn't the ONLY thread I was posting in, I have alot of posts in alot of threads all over CF.
I don't "live" on liberal threads to attack them.

 

[Zecryphon]

Well, Nadiine, it was a general observation/question until you started coming up with all these arguments that it wasn't fair or that I was somehow limiting you guys.

Whatever. If you think your time is well-spent bashing the libs go for it. It's worked for this long, so I suppose why stop now.

Ya know what? I wanna see some evidence that anybody has bashed liberals in this thread. If you're gonna make one unfounded accusation after another, I'm gonna need to see some proof. Otherwise I'm reporting you for flaming. As a moderator it is your job to uphold the rules of CF and I'm sure you don't need me to remind you of that. So if you're so certain liberals are being bashed here, why aren't you reporting it? The fact that you're not either shutting down this thread or reporting offending posts tells me that you don't have any evidence of said 'liberal bashing.' Now do you have some evidence to offer or are you going to continue flaming people?

 

[Nadiine]

Well, Nadiine, it was a general observation/question until you started coming up with all these arguments that it wasn't fair or that I was somehow limiting you guys.

Whatever. If you think your time is well-spent bashing the libs go for it. It's worked for this long, so I suppose why stop now.

*blank stare*

I've made no attempt to cover the fact that I'm against that theology - but if you look at the broad range of my posts all over CF, you can see I'm not obsessed with them or the topic -(I am however interested in aspects of that topic yes and I certainly don't apologize for it either).

and I'd expect if anyone's going to accuse me/us of "bashing", then to be unbiased, all liberals focusing on conservatives that you see (here or at IIDB or anywhere else) should be asked the same questions with the same "zeal".

Is that done? do they get these types of posts from you?

 

[Atlantians]

I have been checking out the liberal Forum and to be Honest I have never been so angry in my life! It's the way they twist scripture and Deny basic Christian theology such as Hell and Homosexuality!

What is wrong with this world!

Peter 3: 14-

14Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, asthey do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.



To their own destruction.
Roman's 12:19 -

19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

 

[IfollowJesus]

Hullo, fellow English person

To be honest, most of us just don't even read any of it anymore because we know it'll make us angry. In our debate subforum at the moment, there's a thread to try to understand one another's perspective more which is positive. But, you're right, liberal theology isn't something many of us can fathom.

Hi, very true.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I think a few of us are doing what we accuse them of, though, and that needs to stop. That's their haven, and some of our members are going across and engaging them in debate. We don't tolerate it here, and they shouldn't have to, either.

Nadiine, truly, PW wasn't telling us to do anything. But have just read this thread and it does read as slightly bashy, somehow Her suggestion has merit, too, to be honest. We all get frustrated/angry (am one of the ones that gets angry) when we wander on over to WWMC, so we don't do it. But I think we also pump each other up when we discuss them. It's precisely what's done to us and we hate it, and I think the onus is with us to be better than that, and not to play the same game.

You're completely right, in that we can all just choose what threads to avoid n stuff. But while CC is still finding its feet, it's not like we have thousands of active threads, and for people who don't want to discuss liberals and liberal theology, threads like this are prohibitive, and people will stop visiting the forum. So I see your point, absolutely, and you're right. But I think while we're rebuilding the forum, it's not quite as easy as that. Ya know?

 

[IfollowJesus]

I don't have a problem with them as people, I love them i just strongy disagree with there warped theology.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I don't have a problem with them as people, I love them i just strongy disagree with there warped theology.

Yep. That's how we all feel And it's cool to discuss it with them, but I don't know if we should be discussing them in a place they can't reply.

You may not know the history between that forum and this one, but it's fairly rich It involves lots of off-site talking about us and trolling this forum by some of their members. I just think we should leave their forum alone, really. It's terribly vulnerable-making when people who oppose your views swarm into your home forum. Ya know?

But it's AWESOME that you're so willing to stand up for God, and to share the truth

 

[Nadiine]

I think a few of us are doing what we accuse them of, though, and that needs to stop. That's their haven, and some of our members are going across and engaging them in debate. We don't tolerate it here, and they shouldn't have to, either.

Nadiine, truly, PW wasn't telling us to do anything. But have just read this thread and it does read as slightly bashy, somehow Her suggestion has merit, too, to be honest. We all get frustrated/angry (am one of the ones that gets angry) when we wander on over to WWMC, so we don't do it. But I think we also pump each other up when we discuss them. It's precisely what's done to us and we hate it, and I think the onus is with us to be better than that, and not to play the same game.

You're completely right, in that we can all just choose what threads to avoid n stuff. But while CC is still finding its feet, it's not like we have thousands of active threads, and for people who don't want to discuss liberals and liberal theology, threads like this are prohibitive, and people will stop visiting the forum. So I see your point, absolutely, and you're right. But I think while we're rebuilding the forum, it's not quite as easy as that. Ya know?

I'd just like to know how I caught the brunt of this when it's somebody elses thread???


If we're rebuilding the forum GM, then its all the more reason that we HAVE to allow people not to feel pressure by other members on what threads we make or what we should post & what they want in it.
Becuz today it's liberals, next week it will a political topic someone's sick of hearing about... etc.
These types of negative "requests" cause people to feel manipulated or pressured into making the forum the way people are steering it thru "suggestion"... I hope you can see what I'm getting at.


And esp. to new members - everybody worried about how we posted on Carolyn's thread when it was about love, but this one gets a harsh rebuke from someone when he's brand new & had an issue he's dealing with at CF. Did anyone coddle him nicely & welcome him here? If so, I missed it and I apologize.

These are things I'm calling attn. to - but I didn't start this thread, and I bashed no one so I'm real surprised I end up smack in the middle of another conflict w/ accusations of bashing liberals.
If discussion about the mechanics of the theology/worldview is bashing, I'll make note of it.

And if so many liberal threads do exist here, then I'd say that it's something that does concern some or many conservatives that they feel a need to discuss liberalism. I can only come up with 1 thread I started that deals with this, but even on that thread, it wasn't about them specifically - it was a "fill in the blank" topic - to understand what exactly comes about from understanding why someone believes whatever they do.

My example was liberalism - but if others had more disagreement w/ Mormonism, Scientology, Jeh. Wit., Universalism, etc., then feel free to fill in the blank with whatever you disagree with theologically.

Other than that, I'm clueless why I got this attack.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

<snipped for space>

Other than that, I'm clueless why I got this attack.

Noooo If you feel attacked, I fully owe you an apology That wasn't my intention, *at all*. I suppose am speaking to you as, perhaps, the leader of the stricter conservatives? That's not at all phrased correctly, but it sort of feels right. But if you feel attacked in *any* way, am really sorry

I suppose, answering the OP (and, yeah, he's been welcomed ) is one thing... but discussing it amongst ourselves is something else. I dunno. It just felt quite bashy when I was reading through the thread.

Also, am concerned that the ante is being upped. If we're discussing them without their being able to respond, it may result in an increase in trollery. Eqaully, if we keep going over there, it may result in an increase in trollery. No want the trollery

But you're not being attacked. Promise. Am just posting my thoughts, really.

 

[IfollowJesus]

I'd just like to know how I caught the brunt of this when it's somebody elses thread???


If we're rebuilding the forum GM, then its all the more reason that we HAVE to allow people not to feel pressure by other members on what threads we make or what we should post & what they want in it.
Becuz today it's liberals, next week it will a political topic someone's sick of hearing about... etc.
These types of negative "requests" cause people to feel manipulated or pressured into making the forum the way people are steering it thru "suggestion"... I hope you can see what I'm getting at.


And esp. to new members - everybody worried about how we posted on Carolyn's thread when it was about love, but this one gets a harsh rebuke from someone when he's brand new & had an issue he's dealing with at CF. Did anyone coddle him nicely & welcome him here? If so, I missed it and I apologize.

These are things I'm calling attn. to - but I didn't start this thread, and I bashed no one so I'm real surprised I end up smack in the middle of another conflict w/ accusations of bashing liberals.
If discussion about the mechanics of the theology/worldview is bashing, I'll make note of it.

And if so many liberal threads do exist here, then I'd say that it's something that does concern some or many conservatives that they feel a need to discuss liberalism. I can only come up with 1 thread I started that deals with this, but even on that thread, it wasn't about them specifically - it was a "fill in the blank" topic - to understand what exactly comes about from understanding why someone believes whatever they do.

My example was liberalism - but if others had more disagreement w/ Mormonism, Scientology, Jeh. Wit., Universalism, etc., then feel free to fill in the blank with whatever you disagree with theologically.

Other than that, I'm clueless why I got this attack.

I STARTED THE THREAD EVERYBODY.

Ask me the questions and bash me because I started the thread.

Sorry Nadiine that you ended up in the Middle

 

[Nadiine]

I STARTED THE THREAD EVERYBODY.

Ask me the questions and bash me because I started the thread.

Sorry Nadiine that you ended up in the Middle

hey thanks buddy!! LOL

I'm clueless how or why this happened.

 

[Criada]

I think we need to remember that there are a lot of areas on this site where conservatives and liberal can, and do, debate theology. And that is, imo, a good thing.

However, this is supposed to be a conservative area, and it would be good to spend more time building one another up, discussing scripture, talking about the things God is doing in our lives, and generally edifying one another. Some of us will want to stay here and concentrate on that, others will want to go out into the more combative areas and debate and stand up for their beliefs. Both are absolutely entitled to do that.
But, those who come in from the battle need to leave their weapons at the door and use this as a place of refreshment among brothers and sisters, not as a place to bring the battle.
I have not seen many liberals actually coming in here to make trouble. there has been some discussion in the debate area, but n the whole our guests have been courteous.
this is not a place to fight, and neither is their home.

Philippians 4:8
8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

 

[Nadiine]

Noooo If you feel attacked, I fully owe you an apology That wasn't my intention, *at all*. I suppose am speaking to you as, perhaps, the leader of the stricter conservatives? That's not at all phrased correctly, but it sort of feels right. But if you feel attacked in *any* way, am really sorry

I suppose, answering the OP (and, yeah, he's been welcomed ) is one thing... but discussing it amongst ourselves is something else. I dunno. It just felt quite bashy when I was reading through the thread.

Also, am concerned that the ante is being upped. If we're discussing them without their being able to respond, it may result in an increase in trollery. Eqaully, if we keep going over there, it may result in an increase in trollery. No want the trollery

But you're not being attacked. Promise. Am just posting my thoughts, really.

GM it isn't you I feel attacked by... its a few posts prior with strong accusations (which I don't see I'm guilty of anywhere).

& my thread I started was on purpose becuz I truly did have an issue/ question about that. I had unsubscribed to CL's debate thread trying to find some common ground btwn groups -
I wanted to find out from us what the point is in that once we know the theology. Maybe I was missing something.

After Zec's post explaining some of the core elements of liberalism here, I actually learned something I didn't realize before... which helped me put some things together -- so what might of seemed bashing to some, wasn't from my view at all.
Bashing as I view it is more of a trivial attack for the sake of attack - picking apart to mock or insult.. I don't see that in my exchange here on the thread.

So you're welcome to view it as bashy, I think a serious discussion about core elements of the theology could of also helped the OP out if he was struggling w/ issues about it.

Sorry - I just see things a little differently.

By the way, I haven't gone over to WWMC still - I still haven't been back to UC ... or IIDB... etc. I stay far away from that stuff , I don't need or want to know what they're saying and for me personally it's just unfruitful.

I will definitely agree that increased liberalism threads can spike some trollery - it helps keep our fishbowl thriving. LOL


*sprinkles fishflakes*

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I STARTED THE THREAD EVERYBODY.

Ask me the questions and bash me because I started the thread.

Sorry Nadiine that you ended up in the Middle

No-one is being bashed.

hey thanks buddy!! LOL

I'm clueless how or why this happened.

Tis just how conversations develop, sis. Am certainly not claiming you started the thread (I don't know why that's even an issue?), and I've NO idea how it's suddenly become about you being bashed. If any example of that could be highlighted, I'd appreciate it so I can edit.

All I'm saying is I think we should stay out of WWMC, and I don't think we should discuss them like this here. No-one has to listen to a word am saying.

Seriously, if you could highlight anywhere you've been attacked or bashed, I'd be very grateful so I can remove it straight away

EDIT: We were posting at the same time Ok, am glad you didn't feel attacked Fwiw, though, PW wasn't being attacky, either. It really didn't read that way. I think much of the disagreement comes from our respective understandings of the word "bash"

 

[PreachersWife2004]

A couple of people said it better than I could've.

All I was asking is that we not talk about liberals. And yeah, some of those posts have been deleted or actioned or whatnot.

I don't care who started the thread. Others came in and started throwing some not-so-nice posts around. I'm not going to single anyone out.

Nadiine, you caught the "brunt" because you were constantly questioning me and accusing me of taking away your rights. Your rights to do what, exactly? Talk about liberal theology? Talk about liberals?

My question is why do we even need to do that? You yourself said in another thread that you have no desire to do that. You don't want to understand them, so why are we constantly doing just that?

As Criada pointed out, we haven't had to endure any "attacks" from the liberals in here...there's a decent conversation going on in the debate area, however. The only thing I see turning here is people's attitudes towards each other. You, Nadiine, jumped on me for asking the people here to do something that a Christian ought to do. Watch our tongues. Honor the eighth commandment. I rarely see gentleness used when talking about liberals. I rarely see kindness here when it comes to liberals.

I've said it before and I will say it again: I expect better out of my fellow conservatives. We tout having the full truth. But many statements made here and in other threads don't display that love.

Sure we can post freely in here. But freedom of speech doesn't come with freedom of consequences.

Colossians 3:12
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

 

[Nadiine]

I think we need to remember that there are a lot of areas on this site where conservatives and liberal can, and do, debate theology. And that is, imo, a good thing.

However, this is supposed to be a conservative area, and it would be good to spend more time building one another up, discussing scripture, talking about the things God is doing in our lives, and generally edifying one another. Some of us will want to stay here and concentrate on that, others will want to go out into the more combative areas and debate and stand up for their beliefs. Both are absolutely entitled to do that.
But, those who come in from the battle need to leave their weapons at the door and use this as a place of refreshment among brothers and sisters, not as a place to bring the battle.
I have not seen many liberals actually coming in here to make trouble. there has been some discussion in the debate area, but n the whole our guests have been courteous.
this is not a place to fight, and neither is their home.

I agree,

But any 'home' forum should be open to what those people WANT to talk about - whether it's sports, weather or a wide range of very serious topics.
What is posted here is what's on the minds of each member here and they should feel free to make threads about what concern them --

Whatever threads are here right now, are topics members have made and WANT to talk about - they may want that wide range of topics - not ALL fellowship.

On that, anyone is more than welcome to argue with me and I'll accept that becuz that is what I'm standing for - and it's for everyone's freedom here to start threads of their own choice - serious, controversial, fun, or just plain lame lol

When we start putting the pressure on people to make threads of a certain or specific type, we're restricting people to feel free and enjoy their home forum fully or discuss what interests THEM.


As I've seen so many people say before, one of the BEST ways to stop controversy or trolling is to not participate at all and let it die out.
Don't feed it.

 

[Nadiine]

A couple of people said it better than I could've.

All I was asking is that we not talk about liberals. And yeah, some of those posts have been deleted or actioned or whatnot.

I don't care who started the thread. Others came in and started throwing some not-so-nice posts around. I'm not going to single anyone out.

Nadiine, you caught the "brunt" because you were constantly questioning me and accusing me of taking away your rights. Your rights to do what, exactly? Talk about liberal theology? Talk about liberals?

My question is why do we even need to do that? You yourself said in another thread that you have no desire to do that. You don't want to understand them, so why are we constantly doing just that?

As Criada pointed out, we haven't had to endure any "attacks" from the liberals in here...there's a decent conversation going on in the debate area, however. The only thing I see turning here is people's attitudes towards each other. You, Nadiine, jumped on me for asking the people here to do something that a Christian ought to do. Watch our tongues. Honor the eighth commandment. I rarely see gentleness used when talking about liberals. I rarely see kindness here when it comes to liberals.

I've said it before and I will say it again: I expect better out of my fellow conservatives. We tout having the full truth. But many statements made here and in other threads don't display that love.

Sure we can post freely in here. But freedom of speech doesn't come with freedom of consequences.

Colossians 3:12
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

THEN DON'T POST IN THEIR THREADS. I just addressed this in the post I just submitted before reading this post, it goes to what you have here.

And my issue was FREEDOM to anyone here in their home forum -
if there's LOTS of liberal threads, then that's kind of a clue that it's on people's minds or hearts to discuss.
Please go into THEIR threads and confront them all the same way you have me here.

If you dislike that I"m calling for people's freedom not to feel pressured by how you want the forum threads to go & how YOU want them to post topics, fine.
I'll take that.

& whatever staff action on whatever was posted earlier, I had NOTHING to do with just so anyone knows