"No full preterist views..." ?

[squint]

Greetings and thanks. You could be right.

Revelation touches every book in the Hebrew OT/OC and in fact that is what I mainly use.
Right now I use Exodus [Bondage] and Joshua [Victory].
For example why are they singing the Song of Moses in Reve 15? This must be after the Beast and False prophe are dealt with as notice the horse and rider mentioned in Exodus 15:1

Revelation 15:3 and They are singing the Song of-Mosheh, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb-kin, saying, `Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!, the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

Exodus 15:1 Then sang Mosheh and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto YHWH, and they spake saying,--"I will sing to YHWH for He is exalted exalted,--The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.
2 My might and melody is Yah, and He became mine salvation/y@shuw'ah.--This is my 'El and I will glorify Him, 'Elohiym of my father and I will set Him on high". '

First the physical (Pharaoh the "king of Egypt") and 'his armies' being swallowed up by the Red Sea yet the children of Israel unharmed.

And then the spiritual when the real king of Egypt, leader of the wicked generation SATAN and his real armies DEMONS and his wife, JezeBEL/the harlot of mystery Babylon of our PRESENT CAPTIVITY is tossed into the LAKE OF FIRE eh? Permanent DISSOLUTION.

Same/similar verses-different times/workings.

All the O.T. writings are "examples" of things that are yet to come and some things that have already transpired and will transpire AGAIN. Jesus in the flesh. Jesus in FULL BLOWN SPIRITUAL WRATH.

These are not easy matters.

enjoy!

squint

 

[gwynedd1]

A full Preterist believes that ALL end-time prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. and that the second coming was symbolic. I believe that they are in for a shock and that the Second coming hasn't happened yet but will happen very soon.

Hello Elife3,

We have been hearing it will be soon for a long long time....

 

[gwynedd1]

Full Preterist view if it were true would be very depressing.

Hello GQ Chris,

Why would it be depressing? Many of them simply believe the judgment is ongoing and will result in the same albeit individually.

Hebrews

9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment; 9:28 so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.

As far as my understanding the bible is not quite clear on how the end will take place or if it takes place. It is only clear that Christ must appear to those who obtain salvation.

 

[gwynedd1]

From the full preterist material I've read, they actually think that about three comings took place in A.D. 70 (though they would deny it). They say Christ came in judgement with the Roman armies, but also came invisibly to invisibly Resurrect the dead, and then came spiritually to indwell believers right after the Temple's destruction, even though Christ was within believers before A.D. 70 (John 14:18, Galatians 2:20). By doing this (as well as other reasons), full preterists have made the A.D. 70 judgement on Jerusalem more significant than Christ's death and Resurrection in A.D. 30.

Hello NILLOC,

I don't really subscribe to that model but how many times do you think Christ came? I can confirm at least twice more and up to two more threatened in judgment to a total of 4. That implies even more...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hello NILLOC,

I don't really subscribe to that model but how many times do you think Christ came? I can confirm at least twice more and up to two more threatened in judgment to a total of 4. That implies even more...

If you look at Armegeddon/Gog-Magog as 2 seperate events, then He comes only twice overall [I am beginning to be of the view they are the same events, but not really sure yet]

Note 2 Peter 3:12 and Reve 16 for example.

If as the Catholics and some other believe Reve chapts 1 thru 19 are fulfilled on either OC Jerusalem or ancient Pagan Rome [as I heard the Catholics mention] then there is only one more coming AFTER the 1000yrs .
At least this is the way it looks to me

2 Peter 3:12 Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia the of-the God, Day, thru which heavens being fired shall be being dissolved and elements burning being melted.
.
Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going-out/ekporeuesqai <1607> (5738) on the kings of the land, and the being-homed, whole, to-be-together-leading/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the Day, that the Great of the God the Almighty.

Reve 20:8 and he shall be coming-out/exeleusetai <1831> (5695) to deceive the nations, the in the four corners of-the land, the Gog and the Magog, to-be-together-leading/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle.................

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7277161
Gog is not the anti-christ/Ezek war not Armageddon

 

[Nilloc]

Hello NILLOC,

Hi gwynedd1.

I don't really subscribe to that model but how many times do you think Christ came?

I believe that the pre-incarnte Christ came in judgment many times in the OT. Obviously He came when He entered into the world in flesh (His birth). I also belive that He came in judgment againist Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and has come in judgment since then (though those later judgment comings were not nessessarliy foretold in Scripture). And I believe that He will come again (bodily, physically) at the end of time.

I see no problem with multiple comings of Christ, I just don't think that they all happened at once like some full preterists seem to teach.

I can confirm at least twice more and up to two more threatened in judgment to a total of 4. That implies even more...

 

[gwynedd1]

Hi gwynedd1.


I believe that the pre-incarnte Christ came in judgment many times in the OT. Obviously He came when He entered into the world in flesh (His birth). I also belive that He came in judgment againist Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and has come in judgment since then (though those later judgment comings were not nessessarliy foretold in Scripture). And I believe that He will come again (bodily, physically) at the end of time.

I see no problem with multiple comings of Christ, I just don't think that they all happened at once like some full preterists seem to teach.

Hello NILLOC,

Thanks and . I could not see it any other way . When I look at this text in Revelation the implications are profound.

Revelation

2:12 and to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These things saith he that hath the sharp two-edged sword: 2:13 I know where thou dwellest, even where Satan&#8217;s throne is; and thou holdest fast my name, and didst not deny my faith, even in the days of Antipas my witness, my faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwelleth. 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there some that hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication. 2:15 So hast thou also some that hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans in like manner. 2:16Repent therefore; or else I come to thee quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth

Here we have Christ saying he will come unless they repent. A situation where the last thing you want is Christ to come because its in Judgment. Its certainly not a global event.
Also why is the road to Damascus not an appearance?

The myths related to the one and only "second coming" is of course born in Acts.

1:10 And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 1:11 who also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, who was received up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven.

And then combined with Revelation.

1:7 Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth shall mourn over him. Even so, Amen.

This creates a rather toxic soup.

Here is the literal translation

7Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!

In Acts it says "Ye men of Galilee", Not the entire earth. There is nothing global about it. Also there is no aspect of horror in it. Should there be when Christ comes to redeem? In Revelation they are wailing and its the tribes of the land, not the whole earth aka those that actually pieced him. Tribes are never used for the nations .

idou ercetai meta twn nefelwn, kai oyetai auton paV ofqalmoV kai oitineV auton exekenthsan, kai koyontai ep auton pasai ai fulai thV ghV. nai, amhn.

fulai
http://www.greekbible.com/index.php

fulh,n {foo-lay'}
[SIZE=-1] 1) a tribe 1a) in the NT all the persons descending from one of the twelve sons of the patriarch, Jacob 2) a nation, people


Mathew 24:14 uses another word for the nations

[/SIZE] 14and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall the end arrive.
[SIZE=-1]

[/SIZE]eqnesin - ethnos

eqnoV,n {eth'-nos}
[SIZE=-1] 1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians [/SIZE]

So in Revelation it means tribes of a nation not many nations or a multitude.


In the very same book Revelation uses the word eqnoV or nations and not fulh that refers to one nation and its tribes which is unequivocally Israel.

2:26and he who is overcoming, and who is keeping unto the end my works, I will give to him authority over the nations,

kai o nikwn kai o thrwn acri telouV ta erga mou, dwsw autw exousian epi twn eqnwn,

The case is closed.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

7Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!

In Acts it says "Ye men of Galilee", Not the entire earth. There is nothing global about it. Also there is no aspect of horror in it. Should there be when Christ comes to redeem? In Revelation they are wailing and its the tribes of the land, not the whole earth aka those that actually pieced him. Tribes are never used for the nations .

idou ercetai meta twn nefelwn, kai oyetai auton paV ofqalmoV kai oitineV auton exekenthsan, kai koyontai ep auton pasai ai fulai thV ghV. nai, amhn.

Greetings Gwyn!! Glad to see someone that also goes to the Greek texts

Did you notice the 2 witnesses in Revelation are taken up in a cloud just as Jesus was taken up?
I have a thread on it here and wouldn't this be a type of First Resurrection?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7270970
Acts 1 and Revelation 11 Ascending in cloud

Acts 1:9 And these things saying, of looking of them, He was lifted up, and a cloud over-received Him from their eyes.

Reve 11:11 And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit of life out of the God entered on them and they stand on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.
12 And they hear a great Voice out of the Heaven saying to them "Ascend ye hence"! And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud and observed them their enemies

​

 

[gwynedd1]

Greetings Gwyn!! Glad to see someone that also goes to the Greek texts

Did you notice the 2 witnesses in Revelation are taken up in a cloud just as Jesus was taken up?
I have a thread on it here and wouldn't this be a type of First Resurrection?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7270970
Acts 1 and Revelation 11 Ascending in cloud

Acts 1:9 And these things saying, of looking of them, He was lifted up, and a cloud over-received Him from their eyes.

Reve 11:11 And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit of life out of the God entered on them and they stand on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.
12 And they hear a great Voice out of the Heaven saying to them "Ascend ye hence"! And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud and observed them their enemies

​

Hey LittleLambofJesus,

In that case it happens in a vision and I honestly do not have a good theory on who the two witnesses are.

 

[Bible2]

GQ Chris posted in message #3:

Full Preterist view if it were true would be very
depressing.

The full-preterist view, if it were true, would indeed
be very depressing, for it would mean that God's
promise that ultimately believers will experience no
more death (Revelation 21:4) has already been
fulfilled, even though some believers are still dying
every minute; and it would mean that God's promise
that ultimately believers will experience no more
sorrow (Revelation 21:4) has already been fulfilled,
even though some believers are still experiencing
sorrow every minute; and it would mean that God's
promise that ultimately believers will experience no
more crying (Revelation 21:4) has already been
fulfilled, even though some believers are still crying
every minute; and it would mean that God's promise that
ultimately believers will experience no more pain
(Revelation 21:4) has already been fulfilled, even
though some believers are still experiencing pain
every minute. So full preterism would make God's
promises utterly worthless and meaningless, causing
some believers to even lose their faith (2 Timothy 2:18).

 

[Bible2]

LittleLambofJesus posted in message #5:

... most are still waiting on the Blessed Hope of the
"RAPTURE".

Many futurist Christians do consider a pre-tribulation
rapture as the "blessed hope" of Titus 2:13, not
realizing that Christians will continue to have the
blessed hope even during the coming tribulation, for
the blessed hope isn't a pre-tribulation rapture, but
eternal life:

"In hope of eternal life" (Titus 1:2),
"... that blessed hope" (Titus 2:13),
"... the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:7).

And Christians will not only continue to have the
blessed hope during the coming tribulation, but will
also continue to have the hope of being raptured up
to meet Jesus in the air on His way down to the earth
at His second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), for
this will happen after the tribulation (Matthew
24:29-31). Jesus' coming to gather together the Church
(2 Thessalonians 2:1) must destroy the Antichrist
(2 Thessalonians 2:8); the Church will have to suffer
and die under the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10,
14:12-13, 20:4).

But just as the Church has always suffered in hope,
and been patient in tribulation (Romans 12:12), so
the Church will suffer in hope and be patient in
the coming tribulation (Revelation 13:10, 14:12),
knowing that whether believers live or die, they won't
lose their eternal life with Jesus at His second
coming (1 Thessalonians 5:10, Titus 2:13).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Many futurist Christians do consider a pre-tribulation
rapture as the "blessed hope" of Titus 2:13, not
realizing that Christians will continue to have the
blessed hope even during the coming tribulation, for
the blessed hope isn't a pre-tribulation rapture, but
eternal life:

"In hope of eternal life" (Titus 1:2),
"... that blessed hope" (Titus 2:13),
"... the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:7).

Greetings and thanks for that post. The Orthodox Jews are also still awaiting their own "blessed hope" of a Messiah to come and build their new temple. But then they do not read the NC of our Bible so they await in Vain to this day as their Passover Sacrifice has already come and went.

I spent about 3 months translating Revelation from the Greek and I found this form of the greek word for "slaughter" interesting as it is used both for the "lambkin" in Reve 5 and one of the "heads" in Reve 13. One is Neuter, the other is Feminine. Still working on this.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7245442
The "lambkin" in Revelation and John 21 question

Reve 5:6 And I saw and behold! in midst of the throne and of the four living-ones/zwwn <2226> and in midst of the elders a lamb-kin/N standing, as having been slaughtered/esfagmenon <4969> (5772) N,

Reve 13:3 And one/F, out of the heads/F of it, as having been slaughtered/esfagmenhn/<4969> (5772) F into death/qanaton <2288>, and the blow/stripe of the death of her was healed, and marvels whole the land behind of the wild-beast.

 

[Bible2]

LittleLambofJesus posted in message #32:

Greetings

Greetings.

LittleLambofJesus posted in message #32:

The Orthodox Jews are also still awaiting their own
"blessed hope" of a Messiah to come and build their
new temple. But then they do not read the NC of our
Bible so they await in Vain to this day ...

Actually, the ultra-Orthodox Jews may not wait in
vain for their "Messiah" (John 5:43b) insofar as a
miracle-working ultra-Orthodox Rabbi could arise and
lead many of them to believe that he is the Messiah.
He could then encourage some of his followers to
blow up the Dome of the Rock to (as he could say)
"clear the site of the Temple from that vile
abomination". He could then lead an army of well-
armed ultra-Orthodox Jews to storm the walled Old
City of Jerusalem, which contains the Temple Mount,
and make it the capital of a "New Israel", a city-
state in which the Mosaic law will be the only law
and in which the "Messiah" will be King and Judge and
all-around Dictator. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could
then proceed to build the temple and offer the daily
Mosaic sacrifices before it.

They could manage to do this in the context of a
horrible war raging in Israel between the armies of
the "Old Israel", which many ultra-Orthodox Jews see
as utterly corrupt and not Israel at all, and hordes
of armed Muslims storming Israel from every side in
retaliation for the blowing up of the Dome of the
Rock, the second most holy site to Muslims.

These things could occur in 2010.

 

[gwynedd1]

Many futurist Christians do consider a pre-tribulation
rapture as the "blessed hope" of Titus 2:13, not
realizing that Christians will continue to have the
blessed hope even during the coming tribulation, for
the blessed hope isn't a pre-tribulation rapture, but
eternal life:

"In hope of eternal life" (Titus 1:2),
"... that blessed hope" (Titus 2:13),
"... the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:7).

And Christians will not only continue to have the
blessed hope during the coming tribulation, but will
also continue to have the hope of being raptured up
to meet Jesus in the air on His way down to the earth
at His second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), for
this will happen after the tribulation (Matthew
24:29-31). Jesus' coming to gather together the Church
(2 Thessalonians 2:1) must destroy the Antichrist
(2 Thessalonians 2:8); the Church will have to suffer
and die under the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10,
14:12-13, 20:4).

But just as the Church has always suffered in hope,
and been patient in tribulation (Romans 12:12), so
the Church will suffer in hope and be patient in
the coming tribulation (Revelation 13:10, 14:12),
knowing that whether believers live or die, they won't
lose their eternal life with Jesus at His second
coming (1 Thessalonians 5:10, Titus 2:13).

Hello Bible2,

This is a good post. I have always wondered with great consternation that some espouse that unless we expect a rapture we are without hope. I have also seen it considered as a sign of a dead faith to have nothing but mostly fulfilled prophesy That would mean tribulation saints would be hopeless and the proposed millennial reign would be over the hopeless. Peterism and futurism differ specifically on when things will happen not necessarily how. So to consider preterism to be a dead faith is to consider futurism to be a dying one.



John 6

39"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of (BD)all that He has given Me I (BE)lose nothing, but (BF)raise it up on the last day.
40"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who (BG)beholds the Son and (BH)believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will (BI)raise him up on the last day."

 

[Bible2]

gwynedd1 posted in message #34:

Preterism and futurism differ specifically on when
things will happen not necessarily how. So to
consider preterism to be a dead faith is to consider
futurism to be a dying one.

Because preterism and futurism differ on when things
will happen, they necessarily differ on how things
will happen. For preterism considers most prophecies
to be symbolic descriptions of invisible, spiritual
events, which could have occurred sometime in the
past, while futurism considers most prophecies to be
literal descriptions of visible, physical events, a
great many of which have never occurred in the past.

Because of this difference in their belief in how
most prophecies are fulfilled, preterism sees futurism
as carnal, only interested in the physical instead of
setting its sights on the spiritual, while futurism
sees preterism as overly intellectualized, forgetting
that God is interested not only in spiritual
redemption, but also in complete physical redemption
as well (Romans 8:23-25, Luke 24:39, Philippians 3:21,
Revelation 21:5).

The fact that full preterism overthrows the faith of
some (2 Timothy 2:18) doesn't mean that full preterism
in itself is a dead faith, for it in itself is not
antithetical to living faith. But it is a faith so
intellectualized that some are not equipped to be
able to hear its teaching that we are now experiencing
Revelation 21:4 without the cognitive dissonance
between that belief and the awful suffering we are
now experiencing causing them to throw off faith
altogether as an empty pipe dream.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The fact that full preterism overthrows the faith of
some (2 Timothy 2:18) doesn't mean that full preterism
in itself is a dead faith, for it in itself is not
antithetical to living faith. But it is a faith so
intellectualized that some are not equipped to be
able to hear its teaching that we are now experiencing
Revelation 21:4 without the cognitive dissonance
between that belief and the awful suffering we are
now experiencing causing them to throw off faith
altogether as an empty pipe dream.

Greetings. Isn't full preterism a relatively new doctrine, much like the Rapture doctrine [which the RCC deems a heresy LOL].

 

[gwynedd1]

Because preterism and futurism differ on when things
will happen, they necessarily differ on how things
will happen. For preterism considers most prophecies
to be symbolic descriptions of invisible, spiritual
events, which could have occurred sometime in the
past, while futurism considers most prophecies to be
literal descriptions of visible, physical events, a
great many of which have never occurred in the past.

Hello Bible2,

With respect to the past I agree since that is the essence of preterism, however I disagree about the general approach that futurism is literal which is in fact a persistent myth.

Futurists typically take Ezekiel 37 to be symbolic for the birth of Israel instead of a literal resurrection like I do. I also interpret horse and bucklers literally in chapter 38.

I take Revelation 2 and 3 literally as the 7 churches while strangely in the few didactic sections of Revelation many futurists take them to by symbolic for periods in the church.

Any time related refrence is certainly not taken literally by a futrurist. The word end as in "end times" never seems to end and so on. Days where no year for a day is mentioned in a prophesy is added often to the interpretation and called is called "a prophetic year".

Such statements like "Even those who pierced him" is taken literally by preterist but symbolic to every folllowing generation for futurists. Jews 2000 years later did not pierce Jesus.
I take going down from one's roof top to be literal during the Tribulation whereas a futurist cannot.

Also I take, for example, "all the tribes of the earth" quite literally. Howerever its a matter of understanding correctly. The earth was the same word for land also used when Christ stepped on the shore. I also know tribes meant the tribes of Israel since it used the Greek word used for Israel unlike the nations.

Because of this difference in their belief in how
most prophecies are fulfilled, preterism sees futurism
as carnal, only interested in the physical instead of
setting its sights on the spiritual, while futurism
sees preterism as overly intellectualized, forgetting
that God is interested not only in spiritual
redemption, but also in complete physical redemption
as well (Romans 8:23-25, Luke 24:39, Philippians 3:21,
Revelation 21:5).

The fact that full preterism overthrows the faith of
some (2 Timothy 2:18) doesn't mean that full preterism
in itself is a dead faith, for it in itself is not
antithetical to living faith. But it is a faith so
intellectualized that some are not equipped to be
able to hear its teaching that we are now experiencing
Revelation 21:4 without the cognitive dissonance
between that belief and the awful suffering we are
now experiencing causing them to throw off faith
altogether as an empty pipe dream.

The way I see it furtursim relies on the senses and the daily news rather than confirmation in scripture. Which is more carnal? Why is a gathering of Israel not considered a gathering of Israel? Its not the gathering of Israel that some expect to see the way they wish it to be, which is carnal.

"5Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, (E)devout men from every nation under heaven. "

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Futurists typically take Ezekiel 37 to be symbolic for the birth of Israel instead of a literal resurrection like I do. I also interpret horse and bucklers literally in chapter 38.

That is also my view. Btw, this word ressurection is missing out of most translations in Luke 2:34 and is a perfect fit for Ezekiel 37 and Reve 11 and 20

Luke 2:34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, `Lo, this-one is set for the falling and resurrection/ana-stasin <386> of many in Israel, and for a sign spoken against--

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones not live until should be being finished the thousand years. This the Resurrection/ana-stasiV <386>, the First/prwth <4413>.

 

[gwynedd1]

That is also my view. Btw, this word ressurection is missing out of most translations in Luke 2:34 and is a perfect fit for Ezekiel 37 and Reve 11 and 20

Luke 2:34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, `Lo, this-one is set for the falling and resurrection/ana-stasin <386> of many in Israel, and for a sign spoken against--

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones not live until should be being finished the thousand years. This the Resurrection/ana-stasiV <386>, the First/prwth <4413>.

Good Morning LittleLambofJesus,

Very interesting, the same word. What a mess an English translation can make.
Also not only the Resurrection but the single kingdom.

John 4

9the Samaritan woman therefore saith to him, `How dost thou, being a Jew, ask drink from me, being a Samaritan woman?' for Jews have no dealing with Samaritans.

Ezekiel 37

22And I have made them become one nation in the land, on mountains of Israel, And one king is to them all for king, And they are no more as two nations, Nor are they divided any more into two kingdoms again.

Acts 8

14And the apostles in Jerusalem having heard that Samaria hath received the word of God, did send unto them Peter and John,
15who having come down did pray concerning them, that they may receive the Holy Spirit, --

So what is the literal translation here? What is the spiritual interpretation? Futurism typically says none of this counts because it just Christians who apparently have forfeited their status as Israel by turning to the Lord even though they are all descended from Jacob. This is the so called stop watch for the prophetic clock period. The only thing literal about it is it literally does not exist in scripture.

 

[Bible2]

Full preterism is as old as the church (2 Timothy 2:18,
2 Thessalonians 2:2), just as the post-trib rapture
doctrine is as old as the church (Matthew 24:29-31,
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7).

Futurism per se shouldn't be confused with
dispensationalism, as one can hold to futurism while
rejecting dispensationalism's false dichotomy between
the church and Israel (contrast Ephesians 2:12-19,
Galatians 3:29, Romans 11:17).

Matthew 24:30-31 will be fulfilled literally. It's the
same event as 2 Thessalonians 2:1 and 1 Thessalonians
4:15-17.

In Revelation 1:1, "shortly come to pass" can be
understood in light of 2 Peter 3:8-9, for none of the
events of Revelation chapters 6:3-21:8 have occurred
yet.

Matthew 24:30 will be fulfilled literally. The Greek
word translated as "tribes" can be translated as
"kindreds" (Revelation 7:9, 13:7, 5:9), and the Greek
word translated as "earth" can mean the planet
(Matthew 6:10, 11:25, 28:18).

Revelation 1:7 will be fulfilled literally. Even those
long dead and in Hades could be made to see the second
coming (cf. Luke 16:23).

Revelation chapters 2-3 are addressing seven actual
first-century local church congregations in seven
cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11).

Matthew 24:17 will be fulfilled literally for those
in the church who have roof-top patios or gardens
and will be in them at the time that the abomination
of desolation occurs (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36,
2 Thessalonians 2:4).

Ezekiel 37:11 suggests that Ezekiel 37:1-4 could be
symbolic of the loss of hope of Israel in its
Babylonian Captivity. Ezekiel 37:12 could refer both
symbolically to the return of Israel to its land after
the Babylonian Captivity, and literally to the
resurrection of believers at the second coming
(1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thessalonians 4:16,
Revelation 20:4-6).

Ezekiel 38:4 is literal, as is the rest of Ezekiel
chapters 38-39, which will be fulfilled after the
millennium (Revelation 20:7-9).