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Here are a few statistics, with my comments inserted, from a 1998 study - I doubt much has changed in ten years.
Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992). In 1995 there were 97,460 rapes reported to law enforcement officials. At a 16% reporting rate, this means that there were actually closer to 649,733 rapes in the United States. Along the same lines, the number of rapes reported in New York state in 1996 was 20,911. At a 16% reporting rate, this means the actual number of rapes was closer to 139,406. (Computerized Criminal History, Feb. 1998)
The rate of false reports of rape is approximately 2 - 3% which is no different than that for other crimes. This is different than the 8% of reports which are unfounded. This means that in 8% of the rape cases reported the investigators or prosecutors deemed that the case was not prosecutable for any number of reasons. Only 2 - 3% of the reports however were fabricated stories.
The above is an important fact, since there is a tendency for men who are fearful of women 'crying rape' after the fact to exaggerate false reporting numbers. -B
In 1997, 68.3% were perpetrated by someone who knew the victim. (Bureau of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997) 78% of women raped or physically assaulted since they turned 18 were assaulted by a current or former husband, live-in partner or date. 17% were victimized by an acquaintance, 9% by a relative other than a husband and only 14% were assaulted by a stranger. (National Violence Against Women Survey, 1998)
Notice, by far the largest number of adult rapes are perpetrated by former partners. There is little doubt in these cases that the motives are rage and vengeance. Although the study doesn't mention it, these are under-reported crimes, as women often get little support when accusing a former lover of rape. - B
Rape and sexual assault are not crimes that usually occur in dark alleys or in deserted areas at night. As a matter of fact 6 out of 10 sexual assaults occur in the home of the victim or the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. (Greenfeld, 1997) 43.4% of rapes and sexual assaults occur between the hours of 6PM and midnight Greenfeld, 1997) and about two thirds occur between the hours of 6 PM and 6 AM (Greenfeld, 1997).
http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php
Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992). In 1995 there were 97,460 rapes reported to law enforcement officials. At a 16% reporting rate, this means that there were actually closer to 649,733 rapes in the United States. Along the same lines, the number of rapes reported in New York state in 1996 was 20,911. At a 16% reporting rate, this means the actual number of rapes was closer to 139,406. (Computerized Criminal History, Feb. 1998)
The rate of false reports of rape is approximately 2 - 3% which is no different than that for other crimes. This is different than the 8% of reports which are unfounded. This means that in 8% of the rape cases reported the investigators or prosecutors deemed that the case was not prosecutable for any number of reasons. Only 2 - 3% of the reports however were fabricated stories.
The above is an important fact, since there is a tendency for men who are fearful of women 'crying rape' after the fact to exaggerate false reporting numbers. -B
In 1997, 68.3% were perpetrated by someone who knew the victim. (Bureau of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997) 78% of women raped or physically assaulted since they turned 18 were assaulted by a current or former husband, live-in partner or date. 17% were victimized by an acquaintance, 9% by a relative other than a husband and only 14% were assaulted by a stranger. (National Violence Against Women Survey, 1998)
Notice, by far the largest number of adult rapes are perpetrated by former partners. There is little doubt in these cases that the motives are rage and vengeance. Although the study doesn't mention it, these are under-reported crimes, as women often get little support when accusing a former lover of rape. - B
Rape and sexual assault are not crimes that usually occur in dark alleys or in deserted areas at night. As a matter of fact 6 out of 10 sexual assaults occur in the home of the victim or the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. (Greenfeld, 1997) 43.4% of rapes and sexual assaults occur between the hours of 6PM and midnight Greenfeld, 1997) and about two thirds occur between the hours of 6 PM and 6 AM (Greenfeld, 1997).
http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php
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Im surprised it's that many that are ex's. I guess that changes my outlook a bit on the ratio of when it's just about control. I'll keep that opinion just for serial rapists, then. Pretty large number.
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Anger and vengeance are, IMO, part of a serial, stranger-rapist's motivations as well as control. These motives are related: being angry and choosing a target for that anger, then exerting control and delivering vengeance on that target. And control is also a part of the motive for people who rape their ex-mates, because they feel they have lost control over that person, and raping them is temporarily regaining control.
This control issue also is paramount in motivations for murders of ex wives/lovers. Most women who are murdered by a former husband or lover are killed at the point when or soon after they leave the relationship, thus taking control away from the murderer.
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That is some great info but iam always weary of stats based on any "unreported" crime. It's impossible to say what percentage is unreported so it could be lower or higher but the impact should remain.
People also make the mistake of defining rape by the many myths that surround the crime.
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I doubt these statistics are very far off reality. I'm personally aware of dozens of unreported assaults and rapes, and a much smaller number of reported cases, as I'm sure are most women who socialize with other women at all. For the most part, women don't 'brag' about being raped; they tell each other their stories in order to seek comfort or to assure another victim that they are not alone in the experience.
A fair percentage of women are not willing to deal with the ordeal of going through reporting a rape, invasive medical examination within hours of the rape, questioning by police, and the whole criminal court system, with a good possibility that the rapist/assaulter will either go free or get a very short sentence, unless they have been physically badly injured in the attack. Especially when it is an ex that's committed the crime, when it can be very difficult to prove non-consent unless the victim's been severely beaten.
That there are myths about rape is proven by this thread, where we see the usual excusing of rapists and victim blaming. And of course, the myth that strangers late at night in dark alleys are the most common rapist, when it's more likely to happen in your own home, and by someone you know.
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Personally I believe sex crimes on the whole have reporting rate of less than ten percent. But I can't prove it so I don't say it's a fact. Was only being the antagonist in the 16% because I was thinking the usual response is what I pointed out about the numbers being unverifiable. But what people overlook is it doesn't matter if it's 16% or 50%, there are far too many crimes happening and perpetuating myths contributes.
Homosexuality is a great example. The majority of paedophiles are white hetero males yet people often push the agenda that homosexuality causes paedophilia. By keeping that myth alive people miss the warning signs of pedophiles in places like churches, boy scouts, or any other "respected" institution. So, instead of doing everything possible to keeps kids safe via education some groups actually contribute to paedophilia. Ironically, the camps that claim to be concerned about kids the most are often the same camps that repeat misinformation about rape and paedophilia and the worst part is, when presented with valid info, the myth march rolls on.
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Im sorry but that is not reality. A high sex drive will always contibute to rape and the rapist acting on his desires. Many rapists are known to be addicted to pornography and things like S&M. Problem is the urges took over them and they acted them out in real life. Again if it was just power then there would be no intercourse(because arousal is required for intercourse to happen). Why do you think rape was alot less common centurys ago than it is today? Rape has risen because people are being bombared with sexual images and the sexualization of human beings in the media every day. A person can't turn on the TV anyone without seeing some type of sexual theme, soap opera, or some girls gone wild infomercial with women dancing shaking their skin all over the place. Im sorry but with the increase of rapes in the country I can only point my finger at the liberal media, the feminists and the secular world and say "you contibuted to this"..WHen you raise children in a godless world, with Godless parenting, and a Godless school curriculum you create Godless uncaring people
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The bolded sections. I object to unsupported claims, so...
...I'm sure someone knows what I'm about to say...since research is my love...
...post proof or retract. Peer-reviewed studies from reputable organizations. Google Scholar is your friend.
sidhe - likes porn, likes S&M, was raised /w Godless parenting in a Godless school curriculum, and thinks rape is possibly worse than murder, since at least there's no suffering for the victim post-mortem with a murder.
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Ths sex industry has contributed to rape in society, by feeding the fire of potential rapists. The more sexual drive increases the more the chance for rape could happen. WHy do you think a large percentage of rapes happen on alcohol or drugs? which are sexual enhancers. Why do college women have the highest risk of rape in society? because they are surround by young men with raging hormones who have been immersed in a sexual society.
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Citation needed.
Instances of reported and/or convicted rape are certainly more common, but since, for example, marital rape only became a crime during the last century, that's hardly surprising, is it?
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Actually, the exact opposite is true.
Jurisdictions that have legalised prostitution and pornography have LOWER violent sex crime rates than areas that don't have these outlets.
*wince* alcohol and "drugs" aren't sexual enhancers... alcohol is a depressent, what it depresses are the inhibition centres, which is why a drunk person might do something they wouldn't normally do. as for your claim that "drugs" are sexual enhancers, what drugs are we talking about/ Drugs is a fairly generic term.
And I'd like to see some stats to back up your claims.
I have a very high sexual drive, and I don't think I'm ever likely to rape anybody.
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Indeed - and since 99% of rapists are male (source), that would seem to indicate that rape is caused by traits that are, for whatever reason (social conditioning, biology, &c.), found almost exclusively in males.
Which means, of course, that it must be something other than a powerful sex drive. Women have those too.
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CreedisChrist, as others have pointed out, you have no back-up for your statements, and as they are at odds with most available facts, you need to back them up.
It won't be easy for you. In past centuries, rape was often defined differently than it is today. In some places in the Middle Ages, rape was not considered a crime unless it financially inconvenienced a landowner. In many places, 'rape' was synonymous with 'abduction', essentially meaning forced marriage against the woman's male relatives' wishes. Rape as we know it was rarely prosecuted, and not likely often reported.
Until recently, women were legally owned by their father or husband. Rape lowered a woman's value, if she were a virgin, therefore most women would try to hide the fact they'd been raped. The rape of a married woman in the sixteenth century was sometimes considered a mere interference with her husband's rights, and any fine was paid to the aggrieved husband.
Here are a couple examples of what we do know. There is a great deal of material available, just on the internet, but I'm not going to set dozens of links here. Do some research yourself, and while you are at it, you might like to look at some reputable modern psychology or profiles of rapists, because you are well on your way to accusing victims of inviting rape while portraying rapists as 'super-masculine', which they most definitely are not - quite the opposite.
During the later Middle Ages in Venice, rape was neither uncommon nor considered a serious crime, unless it involved children, the elderly, or a victim who was a member of the aristocracy (Richards, 39). As a result of rape, many women lost their social status and marriageability, while their attackers were written off as victims of "youthful male sexuality".
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/sex/sexual-deviance.shtml
The reporting and enforcement of rape in the Middle Ages was very problematic. Much like today, it is believed that Medieval rape was very underreported (Brundage, 470). While most records show rape as a crime less common then even homicide, restrictive definitions and difficulty in reporting the crime imply that it may be underrepresented in Medieval legal records (Brundage, 469). Another problem with the legal system for dealing with rape was that it was a very hard crime to prove. A French legal writer stated that to get a man convicted of rape, a woman had to prove that she had protested and attepmted to escape, and that her assaulter had either taken her by force or made threats to kill her or her family if she did not comply with him (Brundage, 470). Once a conviction was made, punishments varied widely. Ecclesiastical courts were capable of sentencing perpetrators to be flogged (only until they began to bleed).
http://wyclif.stockton.edu/index.php/*RapeinChaucer
It won't be easy for you. In past centuries, rape was often defined differently than it is today. In some places in the Middle Ages, rape was not considered a crime unless it financially inconvenienced a landowner. In many places, 'rape' was synonymous with 'abduction', essentially meaning forced marriage against the woman's male relatives' wishes. Rape as we know it was rarely prosecuted, and not likely often reported.
Until recently, women were legally owned by their father or husband. Rape lowered a woman's value, if she were a virgin, therefore most women would try to hide the fact they'd been raped. The rape of a married woman in the sixteenth century was sometimes considered a mere interference with her husband's rights, and any fine was paid to the aggrieved husband.
Here are a couple examples of what we do know. There is a great deal of material available, just on the internet, but I'm not going to set dozens of links here. Do some research yourself, and while you are at it, you might like to look at some reputable modern psychology or profiles of rapists, because you are well on your way to accusing victims of inviting rape while portraying rapists as 'super-masculine', which they most definitely are not - quite the opposite.
During the later Middle Ages in Venice, rape was neither uncommon nor considered a serious crime, unless it involved children, the elderly, or a victim who was a member of the aristocracy (Richards, 39). As a result of rape, many women lost their social status and marriageability, while their attackers were written off as victims of "youthful male sexuality".
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/sex/sexual-deviance.shtml
The reporting and enforcement of rape in the Middle Ages was very problematic. Much like today, it is believed that Medieval rape was very underreported (Brundage, 470). While most records show rape as a crime less common then even homicide, restrictive definitions and difficulty in reporting the crime imply that it may be underrepresented in Medieval legal records (Brundage, 469). Another problem with the legal system for dealing with rape was that it was a very hard crime to prove. A French legal writer stated that to get a man convicted of rape, a woman had to prove that she had protested and attepmted to escape, and that her assaulter had either taken her by force or made threats to kill her or her family if she did not comply with him (Brundage, 470). Once a conviction was made, punishments varied widely. Ecclesiastical courts were capable of sentencing perpetrators to be flogged (only until they began to bleed).
http://wyclif.stockton.edu/index.php/*RapeinChaucer
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My sister did a pretty intensive paper on laws regarding "seduction" in the early part of the turn of the last century.
Seduction, as it was defined then, involved rape that was "consensual," but where the consent was forced. As in, "I'll do whatever you want, just please don't kill me."
For an act to be considered rape, two things (beyond the obvious) were required.
A. That the woman resisted completely, fighting tooth and nail, for the entire duration, and
B. That the woman was a good, proper lady, with fine, upstanding moral character.
Of course, as a real good, proper girl with fine, upstanding moral character would have been incapable of such violence, swooning first, convictions were pretty rare.
Seduction, as it was defined then, involved rape that was "consensual," but where the consent was forced. As in, "I'll do whatever you want, just please don't kill me."
For an act to be considered rape, two things (beyond the obvious) were required.
A. That the woman resisted completely, fighting tooth and nail, for the entire duration, and
B. That the woman was a good, proper lady, with fine, upstanding moral character.
Of course, as a real good, proper girl with fine, upstanding moral character would have been incapable of such violence, swooning first, convictions were pretty rare.
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Actually-- you don't know what you are talking about. Rape is an act of violence-- it is regular tool used in war - raping women in front of their husbands is a sure way to prove who has the power. It's a means of expressing aggression, disgust, power, a way to control and victimize.
Rape is not the same as sexual desire.. even for those people who can only find sexual release through violence. It is not an orientation or perversion, it's an act.
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Sadly I cannot agree with most of this. A high sex drive always contributes to rape? What about some of the famous serial killer cases where the rapist viewed women or sex as dirty? What about all the rapists who are unable to get aroused during the act and are doing it for other psychological reasons? What about people with high sex drives, and they are not rapists? Rape does not have to do with a sex drive. It is normal for some people to have high sex drives and others to have low, and many in between. None of this predestines them to become rapists.
I have never heard of rapists more addicted to porn and S&M, although I guess some are.
I know some serial rapists are against porn and were not raised with it. Not sure how S&M comes into play with becoming a rapist either.As for rape being more common, for all we know it was as common before but never reported. If a woman claimed to be raped in the old days, she would still be considered damaged goods as she was no longer a virgin before marriage, no matter how bad the circumstances. We all know child abuse went on much back then but was not reported, and that spousal abuse was accepted. How do we know it was not different with rape?
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