Obama pro/con (7)

[CaDan]

I said "tulc" 217 times and passed out. My wife insisted it was just hyperventilation, but I don't know. When I came to, I had this crazy craving for some Mocha Java . . .

 

[Morcova]

There is a consequence for any cultural emeshment into the spirit world. Look at the most countries with the most 'gods' in their religion: India and Nepal. India and Nepal are primarily Hindu. In Hindusism there are about 300 million what we would call gods, and Hindus would class as spiritual beings of several types. They know there are 300 million, because their priests or gurus have been cataloging the 'gods' names for thousands of years. They know those gods, which are really fallen angels as the Bible teaches, by NAME.

Could you show me this list of 300 million names of fallen angels?

It doesn't matter that we think that names are not all that important, but the Bible teaches they are important.

It also teaches that the earth has four corners.

The Bible teaches that there is only one who is good, and he is: Father, Son, and holy Spirit.

That's three.

 

[tulc]

The Bible teaches that there is only one who is good, and he is: Father, Son, and holy Spirit.

...wow. Out of that whole post you finally said something that's true.
tulc(and that was pretty long post)

 

[tulc]

I said "tulc" 217 times and passed out. My wife insisted it was just hyperventilation, but I don't know. When I came to, I had this crazy craving for some Mocha Java . . .

Go with that feeling my son.
tulc(iz can haz cofeee?)

 

[keith99]

Why did Egypt have such technical prowess in the first place. What about the Greeks or the Romans (who where doing very will even before they became Christians) all of those civilizations had multiple god's and probably had the best standard of living at the time. What about the United Arab Emirates, one of the richest countries in the world with ridiculously high standards of living for the natives. I'm afraid your view of poverty, demons and christianity is incredibly simplistic and pretty baseless.

Off base to include the UAE. Islam is the dominant faith and they would acuse Christianity of worshiping muntiple gods, three of them. Islam is a purer form on monotheism than Christianity.

 

[Markus6]

Off base to include the UAE. Islam is the dominant faith and they would acuse Christianity of worshiping muntiple gods, three of them. Islam is a purer form on monotheism than Christianity.

Well yes, but I couldn't think of any modern, affluential, polytheistic soceities. I feel the point still stands as I strongly doubt LetHeavenFillyourThoughts thinks Muslims aren't controlled by the devil.

 

[Billnew]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/24/obama-cancels-visit-to-us-troops-in-germany/

Barack Obama’s campaign said Thursday that the Illinois senator opted not to visit U.S. troops at military facilities in Germany because it would be “inappropriate” to make such a stop on the campaign-funded leg of his trip.

I do believe McCain is right when he said:

“Barack Obama is wrong. It is never inappropriate to visit our men and women in the military.”

But I don't believe it is a snub or ignoring or wounded Vets. I believe it was just a poor decision. It is perfectly fine for a Senator to visit troops,
with permission its fine for the average citizen to visit our soldiers.

Not everything is a political ploy or manuevering.

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

Egypt gave Israel technological blessings? Well, at one point Joseph, who was a slave to a Pharoah, gave Egypt, but really captive Israel, the blessing of survival by teaching the Egyptians how to store up grain ahead of time in order to survive a long famine. That blessing came by God, through the Israelite Joseph, then the lucky Egyptians got the benefit too.

Arab nations blessed? Only because God promised as a concession to make them a great nation because Ishmael was one of offspring of Abraham. God guided Ishmael to the land of oil. By the way the wealth in Saudi Arabia is mostly in the hands of the controlling royalty, selfishness being one of the attributes of paganism. God blesses and curses nations. For example Shiva is called the Destroyer, and he has lived up to his name, his worshippers mostly enslaved and devasted by their lack of Christian teachings.

Regarding "Allah", he is the name of singular pagan god, really a demon. There is only one true God, one of his names is "Jesus Christ".

 

[tulc]

Regarding "Allah", he is the name of singular pagan god, really a demon. There is only one true God, one of his names is "Jesus Christ".

uhmmm you do realize "Allah" is the word for "God" just like "God" is our word for, well, "God" right?
tulc(who suspects history doesn't agree with your analysis of "pagan cultures")

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

Naw, God in the Bible really is an english translation of a word/name in Hebrew. The God of Bible has revealed he has many names. Christians today have mostly restricted themselves to three names, each revealed by God himself, and in english mean "Father, Son, and holy Spirit" However messianic Christians still commonly use many of the names God revealed back in the days of the Old Covenant.

The real God even has a name he revealed to the Hebrews which no one knows for sure how to say. God's revealed names in the Bible, reveal his character and attributes.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

the Penatagon actually changed their mind about this, and said that it would be viewed as a campaign stop since he wasn't with the CoDel, even though he was bringing no media (like his visit in Iraq)

There was politics being played, but it wasn't by the Obama campaign.

 

[kermit]

Seeing as how the McCain camp used Obama's visit to the Isreali Holocaust museum for political gain I think Obama is doing the right thing by not allowing the classless McCain camp from doing the same with his visit to wounded soldiers.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

Seeing as how the McCain camp used Obama's visit to the Isreali Holocaust museum for political gain I think Obama is doing the right thing by not allowing the classless McCain camp from doing the same with his visit to wounded soldiers.

exactly. there are reports (unsubstantiated as yet, however) that there was actually pressure applied to the Pentagon by the McCain campaign for them to change their minds (the day before the visit was planned) and say that the visit would be seen as a campaign stop instead of a visit to honor the soldiers. McCain goes at Obama for NOT going, but if Obama had gone after the Pentagon said this, McCain would be attacking him for playing politics and using the troops for campaigning (which, ironically enough, is EXACTLY what McCain is doing when he plays this kind of craven politics with our troops)

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

this is pretty desperate, sad, and, frankly, inaccurate. The trip isn't even over yet, and the most high profile event of the entire thing was only yesterday (the speech in Berlin).

The notion that we can declare that there is no bump for Obama from this trip already is ludicrous, especially given the big jump in his lead in the tracking polls today.

And this notion "WHY ISN'T OBAMA FARTHER AHEAD!?" is kind of a sad place to be in, politically. This race ISN'T neck and neck, Obama is whomping McCain in states that McCain shouldn't even have to worry about defending, like Colorado and Iowa, and pulling close or ahead in other ones, like Virginia, New Mexico, and North AND South Dakota.

Add to that (besides one outlying poll) McCain's inability to make significant moves in Ohio OR Pennsylvania, AND Obama's growing support (some polls now showing a slim lead) in Florida, and this race doesn't look so close as the media and the Republicans desperately want to paint it.

Keep telling Obama that he SHOULD be polling 10 points ahead of McCain, or else he isn't good enough. Keep saying that until November 4 when he wins over 300 electoral votes, and you wonder if your time might have been better spent coming up with at least ONE compelling reason why anyone in their right mind could consider voting for an incompetent warmonger like John McCain who doesn't have any specific plans, but only empty rhetoric and attacks against his opponent.

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

Here is something curiously interesting...you know how they say, we have freudian slips (not that I approve of freud, who pretty messed up himself). Never the less, we all know that sometimes the little slip reveal something about what is really on our mind, other times it mostly just junk. Irregardless, here is a slip that I think reveals where Senator O's head is at, inspired by the sprit that influences him:

“This guy was president before I was . . . This guy was God before I was.” – Barack Obama -in reference to Morgan Freeman’s portrayal in “Deep Impact and “Bruce Almighty”

Rather curious verbal slip don't you think?

 

[Billnew]

In 1980, it was the debates that gave Reagan a chance to pull ahead. I think the debates will also be Obama's great opportunity.

Jonathan

That is true. Obama does have to prove to people he is trustworthy.

What do you say from now on we call it Obamapalooza?

It does have a better ring to it.

You'd think Obama would have some reaction in the polls, after 4-6 days of press and world photo ops.
Imo his highlight was the visit to Iraq. But I could be wrong, since his stance is get out as soon as possible.

 

[Paulos23]

No, I think that was just a joke.

To quote Freud "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

That is true. Obama does have to prove to people he is trustworthy.



You'd think Obama would have some reaction in the polls, after 4-6 days of press and world photo ops.
Imo his highlight was the visit to Iraq. But I could be wrong, since his stance is get out as soon as possible.

I suppose Obama does still have to convince some people that he is trustworthy. McCain has already proven that he is not.

As for a bounce in the polls, it IS there. Sorry if you choose to ignore it, but yesterday the WSJ poll had him up by 6, and the Rassmusen tracking has him up by five today, a significant bounce

as for what national polls can tell us in July, I'm all ears. The state by state polls are a lot more telling, and the picture they paint isn't pretty for McCain.

 

[platzapS]

I agree that the signs were inappropriate if they are what you guys are saying they are, but Obama pro-Israel, just like every major candidate for president.

His anti-Iran, pro-Israel rhetoric when speaking to AIPAC is over-the-top silly. I hope he's just pandering to get elected.

 

[JGL53]

- People who know god personally and speak for him - what's up with that?

I mean, if you speak for an omnipotent and omniscient spiritual being, what does that make YOU?