Dinosaur footprints destroy flood geology.

[Shadrach76]

But when you step on the Bible to make a point, you've gone too far.

why is the bible so important to you?
why do you believe the bible?

 

[thaumaturgy]

I'll tell you want it tells me, Thaumaturgy. It tells me that I have a lump of clay in one hand --- you know --- modeling clay --- the kind we played with in kindergarten?

And in my other hand is, say, a Godzilla action figure that I picked up in the lobby of the theater when I went and saw Godzilla 2000.

Now, I take the action figure in my one hand, and embed its foot into the clay that's in my other hand, making a footprint.

Now I set this clay down, which, by the way, has n-quadrillion years embedded in it. And what happens? Over time it --- what's the technical word --- lithifies? --- solidifies and hardens.

Now, a thousand years, no --- make it 2500 hundred years later, some geologist finds this and what happens?

Tomorrow's headlines ---

• OLDEST KNOWN FOOTPRINT FOUND
• Scientist finds n-quadrillion year old footprint of tiny dinosaur.

I'm not buying you guys' long-age explanations --- period.

Wow. I didn't think you were that uninformed on the topic. But that's understandable.

Here's how it works, it's a little topic called resolution. You'll note the scientists never say "This footprint is 170,543,234,154 years and 15 days old". Right? You did notice that didn't you? At 170 million years they have, oh about 5,999,999 years give or take. It's a topic one learns in just about any entry level science class called significant figures. Here's a linky for you to read more on this fascinating topic.

I don't know how you got through your associates degree (magna cum laude, right?) in computer science without having heard of significance. But I don't know much about the academic requirements of a computer person. I rather thought it was higher.

You'll also note that it doesn't matter how old the clay itself is. That's why scientists don't radiometrically date the sedimentary rock. They know it is made up of older clasts that may be much much older than the sedimentary rock itself.

Just like making a bicycle of older bicycle parts.

So there you have it. You've been "introduced" to a couple concepts you should have already heard about but hadn't. After a couple hundred more times of being "introduced" to these concepts, maybe you'll bother to care enough to retain them.

But do please, tell us how "flawed" the science is despite your near perfect ignorance of just about every single aspect of it. And make sure to do it in a really snarky manner...it makes it more satisfying to respond in kind.

 

[thaumaturgy]

But when you step on the Bible to make a point, you've gone too far.

Why does it matter if someone steps on the Bible? It would seem that if it were the work of God Almighty it could bear the weight of the evidence.

No matter what was put on it, it could bear up.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know how you got through your associates degree (magna cum laude, right?) in computer science without having heard of significance. But I don't know much about the academic requirements of a computer person. I rather thought it was higher.

For the record, it's summa cum laude in Business Administration.

 

[Split Rock]

But when you step on the Bible to make a point, you've gone too far.

I think you meant to write: "But when you step on my interpretation of the Bible to make a point, you've gone too far."

Doesn't sound so damning now.... does it?

 

[beamishboy]

Oh dear, you guys are still at it and gramps (I mean, AV1611VET) still believes in a world-wide flood some 3000 years ago?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh dear, you guys are still at it and gramps (I mean, AV1611VET) still believes in a world-wide flood some 3000 years ago?

Ya --- it's called faith in the written Word.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Ya --- it's called faith in the written Word.

Except when it comes to things like embedded age and the secret atheist religions, in which case it's perfectly acceptable to invent whatever fits you and pass it off as the Written Word itself.

 

[beamishboy]

Except when it comes to things like embedded age and the secret atheist religions, in which case it's perfectly acceptable to invent whatever fits you and pass it off as the Written Word itself.

What are embedded age and the secret atheist religions? Never heard anything about it and I'm a Christian and an altar boy for more than half my life. Hehe.

 

[thaumaturgy]

For the record, it's summa cum laude in Business Administration.

Oh, my mistake. I can understand why you'd never have any access to training in mathematical issues such as "significance".

So, then, if you don't even understand scientifically fundamental concepts like "significance" why do you insist on thinking your "insight" into any of these topics is compelling in any way? You ask your questions about the age of these things and express your belief that it is silly to date a footprint, but clearly don't even understand the fundamentals of the discussion at hand.

It is a mystery. I should think your holy book would have trained you better.

I'm not buying you guys' long-age explanations --- period.

Proverbs 11:2 is a good place to start.

 

[Chalnoth]

Oh dear, you guys are still at it and gramps (I mean, AV1611VET) still believes in a world-wide flood some 3000 years ago?

Actually, it's supposedly ~4000 years ago or so.

P.S. Yes, I admit this is like quibbling over the color of Luke's lightsaber.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Ya --- it's called faith in the written Word.

No it’s called indoctrination into the musings of a book, translated from a book, translated for a book, translated for a book that does not exist anymore. So your faith is in the hands of several translators through time.

Oldest bible in the world.

Quote from HERE


The oldest known copy of the Bible (complete Bible) in the world is the Codex Sinaiticus, dating from the 3rd or 4th century A.D. The Codex, while not only translating Hebrew and Greek manuscripts into all Greek, documents the dramatic shift of preserving texts in a bound book form rather than the tradition of writing on scrolls. There is speculation this book was written in Egypt.

When the Emperor Constantine of the Eastern Empire (Greece) adopted Christianity, he commissioned the compilation of Greek versions of the principal Jewish and Christian scriptures. Although history records 50 manuscripts were written under the guidance of Eusebius, we're not totally sure this is one of those copies.

Since its discovery in bits and pieces of vellum at the Monastery of St. Catherine in Sinai, Egypt, almost half of the Old Testament has been lost. Constantin Tischendorf, a German scholar, was instrumental in the acquisition of these documents for his own country and Russia in 1844 and 1859. As is the case with antiquity, the codex carries a value not only historically, but monetarily.

The remainder of the codex is split between St. Catherine's Monastery, Sinai; the British Library, the University of Leipzip, Germany; and the National Library of Russia, St. Petersburg. Due to the fragility of the vellum, the manuscripts are kept under glass to protect them from further damage.

Current collaborative efforts are to completely digitize the codex to make it available for a world-wide audience in English; possibly German, Spanish, and modern Greek. This may include a free website, a high quality digital facsimile, and CD ROM. The oldest Bible in the world would be able to be seen by all, but not be damaged by constant handling.

The Catholic Church also has a similar copy called Codex Vaticanus, but is thought to be of a later date.


So the oldest bible in the world is a couple of thousand years too young, so all your faith is in the hands of Greek translators. So the word of man does mean something to you.

 

[Shadrach76]

Do dinosaurs and humans co-exist today?

thats a great question AV. actual Dinosaurs died out about 65 millions years ago (most from an asteroid strike in mexico) but some of them evolved into modern birds.

i can list some tests done to support this but some how i dont think you really care.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Below is an image of a dinosaur (raptor) nest found in Cretaceous aged rocks. According to YEC these rocks are Noah flood deposits, quite clearly this is not the case and these eggs were laid on dry ground.

It is impossible for the biblical flood to have occurred and all YEC are indoctrinated into a magical mystical belief system which corrupts their minds.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

150 million year-old Allosaur and Brontosaur tracks extend one quarter mile along the Purgatory River. Again dinosaur track in so called YEC flood deposits. Quite clearly these tracks are terrestrial, which means they could not be biblical flood deposits and the Cretaceous rocks they are fossilised in are not flood deposits.

What say you YECs.

 

[beamishboy]

For the record, it's summa cum laude in Business Administration.

Goodness! He can say it without flinching. It's like after arguing with people on geology and paleontology which he knows nothing about for weeks on end, he tells them without blushing, "I've got a degree in Sanskrit poetry". Hehe. I find that very funny.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Virginia Museum of Natural History scientists have confirmed that an approximately 500 million-year-old stromatolite was recently discovered at the Boxley Blue Ridge Quarry near Roanoke, Virginia. This specimen is the first-ever intact stromatolite head found in Virginia, and is one of the largest complete “heads” in the world, at over 5 feet in diameter and weighing over 2 tons.



LINK
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080704122847.htm

Again not what you would expect to grow during the flood.

 

[mpok1519]

Then YECs are wrong --- dinosaurs are mentioned in Job, who lived after the Flood.

A theologist will tell you that the book of Job is older than the book of Genesis. -- thus, the whole dino time-line isn't true.

AV >> did you know that there wasn't enough room for two of every dinosaur on the ark, as well as room for two of every other animal? An ultrasaur(Brachiasaur, the largest animal ever to walk our earth) would sink the Ark if he stepped in it; two would capsize the boat in seconds, if the schematics given in the Bible are indeed correct and an accurate reflection of the Ark's size.

Explain AV >> how Noah fit two of eVERY animal, and two of every dinosaur without sinking the ship?

Please, don't even answer.

 

[AV1611VET]

A theologist will tell you that the book of Job is older than the book of Genesis.

Technically he's right.

Job, whom some equate with Jobab of Genesis 10, lived before Moses edited the book of Genesis.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Virginia Museum of Natural History scientists have confirmed that an approximately 500 million-year-old stromatolite was recently discovered at the Boxley Blue Ridge Quarry near Roanoke, Virginia. This specimen is the first-ever intact stromatolite head found in Virginia, and is one of the largest complete “heads” in the world, at over 5 feet in diameter and weighing over 2 tons.



LINK


Again not what you would expect to grow during the flood.

Let the 2-ton jokes commence.