Gays and Lesbians (GLBT) versus Christians

[Polycarp_fan]

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did hateful things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.”
Ezekiel 16: 49-50

"They were haughty AND did hateful things before me."

Sounds like the Gay Agenda to me. Not only the overfed and unconcerned assertion, but not helping the poor and needy part as well.

Keep on reading in Ezekiel, and you will get to the graphic sexual parts that bear a strinking resemblence to gay (and porn) erotica.

Those Hebrews Prophets are amazing.

Haughty for example. Quite the translation:

(hô

t

)
adj. haugh·ti·er, haugh·ti·est Scornfully and condescendingly proud. See Synonyms at proud.

[From Middle English haut, from Old French haut, halt, alteration (influenced by Frankish h

h, high) of Latin altus, high; see al-2 in Indo-European roots.]
haugh

ti·ly adv.
haugh

ti·ness n.


proud

(proud)
adj. proud·er, proud·est 1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth: proud of one's child; proud to serve one's country.
2. Occasioning or being a reason for pride: "On January 1, 1900, Americans and Europeans greeted the twentieth century in the proud and certain belief that the next hundred years would make all things possible" W. Bruce Lincoln.
3. Feeling or showing justifiable self-respect.
4. Filled with or showing excessive self-esteem.
5. Of great dignity; honored: a proud name.
6. Majestic; magnificent: proud alpine peaks.
7. Spirited. Used of an animal: proud steeds.

 

[David Brider]

Its incredibly sad that you have to change definitions and concepts to even begin to justify your personal prejudices.

I am sure you would protest being defined solely based on anthers perception of lust

Is the only reason you got married was because you wanted to have sex? I bet you will deny that and be horribly offended at the suggestion yet you happily go around claiming the same thing about an entire minority.

The real definition: homosexuality - [/FONT]an enduring pattern of or disposition to experience sexual, affectional, or romantic attractions to people of the same gender. That is from the APA.

Gays and lesbians are gays and lesbians whether they are having sex or not, just like heterosexuals. Being a virgin does not make one asexual.

QFT.

David.

 

[David Brider]

Sounds like the Gay Agenda to me. Not only the overfed and unconcerned assertion, but not helping the poor and needy part as well.

So you're saying that gay people are overfed, unconcerned about others, and don't help the poor and needy?

???

Why on earth do you feel the need to misrepresent gay people so much? You do know there's a commandment about bearing false witness, don't you?

David.

 

[wanderingone]

I personally have gay friends. My love for them doesn't depend on their sexual preference, I love them as people and as part of that love for them, I love them enough to tell them the truth.

That is no matter what your sin of choice is, it is still sin, all sin we have to repent of and leave at the foot of the cross. Your typical garden variety homosexuals don't like it that they can't keep their sexuality and be a christian too. Well the truth of the matter is that, none of us who come to Jesus can keep any of our sins. So don't worry, God doesn't just pick on gays, he picks on all sin, in fact He commands that we turn from it.

Could you imagine pedophiles lobby for pedophile rights on the basis that they were born that way? Ok...so what..it still doesn't make it right? Hang on to whatever sins you wish...but do you really want to stand before God one day and have Him say, "I never knew you?"

Real christians don't make excuses for sin, they repent and turn from them.

I can imagine pedophiles lobbying, however I cannot make the connection between that and civil rights for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered individuals. Civil rights protect the rights of minorities from actions by the majority in any given situation when the majority would choose to limit their equal access to the rights granted to all under law, they don't protect the rights of a group to abuse another group. Pedophiles can seek legitimacy all they want, but if their desire is to be free to participate in partnering emotionally and sexually with children who are not able to give consent to such partnerships that can't be legitimized, nor can it compare to equal civil rights for people who are GLB or T

on a side note--
Does the new CF allow the blatant adverts for ones website in a sig line?

 

[lawtonfogle]

I can imagine pedophiles lobbying, however I cannot make the connection between that and civil rights for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered individuals. Civil rights protect the rights of minorities from actions by the majority in any given situation when the majority would choose to limit their equal access to the rights granted to all under law, they don't protect the rights of a group to abuse another group. Pedophiles can seek legitimacy all they want, but their desire is to be free to participate in partnering emotionally and sexually with children who are not able to give consent to such partnerships.

on a side note--
Does the new CF allow the blatant adverts for ones website in a sig line?

So... if pedophiles were lobbying for their right to not be denied a job or a place in a community because of they were born that way (so nothing about having sex with children to be found), then would you be for it?

 

[wanderingone]

So... if pedophiles were lobbying for their right to not be denied a job or a place in a community because of they were born that way (so nothing about having sex with children to be found), then would you be for it?

Pedophiles (and anyone else) can lobby for anything they want.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Pedophiles (and anyone else) can lobby for anything they want.

Ok... how about a slightly better phrased question. Would you be able to connect that with civil liberties?

 

[wanderingone]

Ok... how about a slightly better phrased question. Would you be able to connect that with civil liberties?

Pedophiles who have not been convicted of any crime are already granted the same civil liberties as everyone else. (unless they happen to be gay) pedophiles who have been convicted of a crime have limits based on their convictions, like any other person convicted of a crime.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Pedophiles who have not been convicted of any crime are already granted the same civil liberties as everyone else. (unless they happen to be gay) pedophiles who have been convicted of a crime have limits based on their convictions, like any other person convicted of a crime.

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember a judge ordering a restraining order on one self admitted pedophile that didn't allow him to get within 15 (or was it 30) feet of children.

And those who think that is reasonable... what about going shopping? Next time you take a trip to town try counting the number of times you are within 15/30 feet of a child (direct family excluded of course).

This case was in California, and last I heard the ruling has stuck.

 

[wanderingone]

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember a judge ordering a restraining order on one self admitted pedophile that didn't allow him to get within 15 (or was it 30) feet of children.

And those who think that is reasonable... what about going shopping? Next time you take a trip to town try counting the number of times you are within 15/30 feet of a child (direct family excluded of course).

This case was in California, and last I heard the ruling has stuck.

Where do your civil rights guarantee you the right to live near or be near children? Anti discrimination rights only guarantee you the right not to be discriminated against on the basis of whatever classes are covered in federal and local anti discrimination laws. I don't know about the case of any self admitted pedophile.. only about the laws being passed in various locations regarding where convicted sex offenders can live. (all sex offenders) (I really wish you would provide links to your assorted stories if you want them to be considered in a discussion) Those laws are passed based on someone's actions not their orientation or inclination.

That said I don't actually support silly laws that give a false sense of security to the community. If we want offenders to be locked up longer then pass sentencing laws that support that goal. ..

 

[wanderingone]

You mean the guy with the website lawton? McLellan or McClellan or something like that? He ran a website that advised people where to go to see little girls and posted tons of pics? (none of which were porn) The judge shouldn't have bothered with that... I don't remember if it held up either- I don't even believe that guy is really a pedophile I think he's just trying to raise hell and get hits on his website (although I guess his provider shut him down)

 

[LittleNipper]

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember a judge ordering a restraining order on one self admitted pedophile that didn't allow him to get within 15 (or was it 30) feet of children.

And those who think that is reasonable... what about going shopping? Next time you take a trip to town try counting the number of times you are within 15/30 feet of a child (direct family excluded of course).

This case was in California, and last I heard the ruling has stuck.

When the alternative is to have millstone hung about one's neck and to be cast into the sea, the seeming unreasonable ruling of the judge seems but a slap on the hand.

 

[cantata]

the alternative is to have millstone hung about one's neck and to be cast into the sea

Is that the usual sentence in California?

 

[lawtonfogle]

Where do your civil rights guarantee you the right to live near or be near children? Anti discrimination rights only guarantee you the right not to be discriminated against on the basis of whatever classes are covered in federal and local anti discrimination laws.

Ok, so if we remove race from there (come one, just pretend) then it is suddenly OK to be racist?

There is a often times a difference in what the law is and should be. Thus, we may discriminate on things that will one day be covered but isn't now. Is it discrimination now though?

 

[wanderingone]

Ok, so if we remove race from there (come one, just pretend) then it is suddenly OK to be racist?

There is a often times a difference in what the law is and should be. Thus, we may discriminate on things that will one day be covered but isn't now. Is it discrimination now though?

Is it discrimination to have an stay away order against an individual? Calling himself a pedophile isn't why he got a stay away order against him, it was his activities. His saying "I'm a pedophile" is not what got him charged.

Yes being a racist is "ok". It won't put you in my circle of friends but I suspect if you're a racist it's not where you'd want to be. If you are racist who burns a cross on my lawn then know it's not okay. Being a racist is okay regardless of the law. It's the action you take that makes the bigotry a problem.

While I certainly can't say I'd be opening my home to anyone who acknowledges they are a pedophile I also can't say I'd be running around trying to stop someone from renting or buying a home in neighborhood. I'm more concerned about what I don't know about people than what I do.

and.. that's the end of my comments on pedophiles and their rights on this thread. There's no link between pedophiles and people who are G, L, B or T.

 

[allhart]

Your role of your birth right can't be changed on the account you want to change it. In a state of your mind. For you weren't asked by the creator in your design in a sexual role.You are hypocrites changing topics of thinking by robbing the challenger of truth by racial or bigotry and discrimination claims. Stand up on your own to feet and talk about the issues and quit trying to silent others in your verbal out cries of poor me.

 

[wanderingone]

Your role of your birth right can't be changed on the account you want to change it. In a state of your mind. For you weren't asked by the creator in your design in a sexual role.You are hypocrites changing topics of thinking by robbing the challenger of truth by racial or bigotry and discrimination claims. Stand up on your own to feet and talk about the issues and quit trying to silent others in your verbal out cries of poor me.

Ummm.. what are you babbling about and what post are you responding to?

 

[LittleNipper]

Is that the usual sentence in California?

California is a hardheaded state. Droughts, fires, floods, among the highest energy costs, earthquakes ----- they simply don't seem to hear the warnings...

 

[wanderingone]

California is a hardheaded state. Droughts, fires, floods, among the highest energy costs, earthquakes ----- they simply don't seem to hear the warnings...

Since NY has so few of those problems does that make us the epitome of virtuous living? Obviously we are blessed by God (and snowblowers)

 

[lawtonfogle]

Since NY has so few of those problems does that make us the epitome of virtuous living? Obviously we are blessed by God (and snowblowers)

Well, I haven't heard of SC having a single one of those problems and with the new Exodus thing and SC's general reputation... maybe he is on to something here...