Should Christians evangelize gays?

[Maren]

I've come to see the modern usage of "pagans and tax collectors" of Rome AD 30, as liberal and progressives circa 2008. Sure act the same. And ... Christians are not taught to harm ANYONE!!!!!

Just as Fundamentalists and other Conservative Christians act just like the Pharisees. While Christ hung out with the "pagans and tax collectors", even having a tax collector as an apostle, the Pharisees were the ones doing the condemning and claiming they were the only ones who properly understood the Scriptures.

 

[Maren]

And yet, Christians have been sued for not wanting to apporve of and promote gay life. Mocking just makes you look like one of Lot's neighbors come back to haunt us.

False, they've been sued for not treating gays equally like other citizens in accordance with the local laws. Treating people equally is not "promotion".

As opposed to GLBT's (and others) that want to teach children that their body parts are not designed for what they are designed for? Isn't that called "perversion?"

Nope. The fact that you keep claiming this after being shown there is zero truth to it makes it appear you are a liar and break the ninth commandment (or eighth commandment for our Catholic and Lutheran friends).

So, you'ld rather teach children sexual perversion (or deviant sexual behaviors) rather than the Gospel?

Yes or no? And you can "LOL" (or Lol) while giving your answer.

Again, you have been constantly shown this is not true. Rather, the only think mentioned is that some children come from different types of families; such as with one mother, two mothers, two fathers, or a mother and a father. None of which has anything directly to do with body parts or sexuality.

And it is interesting that one of the problems with "abstinence only" education is that not only does it not keep kids from having sex but rather they first experiment with what you like to call sodomy so that they aren't breaking their pledges. It appears that sodomy is natural enough that kids don't require being taught how to use body parts in ways "they are not designed for".

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

I find it very telling that PCF has ignored my response on page 6 of this thread, as the OP was ostensibly a question aimed at heterosexual Christians who believe that homosexuality is not condoned in the Bible.

 

[mpok1519]

And ... Christians are not taught to harm ANYONE!!!!!

Well, thats the thing; some Christians think they're helping someone by harming them with 'tough love', when in all reality, it does more harm than good.

 

[Eve_Sundancer]

Just as Fundamentalists and other Conservative Christians act just like the Pharisees. While Christ hung out with the "pagans and tax collectors", even having a tax collector as an apostle, the Pharisees were the ones doing the condemning and claiming they were the only ones who properly understood the Scriptures.

QFT

 

[HannahBanana]

I've come to see the modern usage of "pagans and tax collectors" of Rome AD 30, as liberal and progressives circa 2008.

How do you explain all of the deeply devoted liberal Christians, then? What makes you think that their relationship with God is any less real than yours is?

And ... Christians are not taught to harm ANYONE!!!!!

Why, then, do you, a self-admitted Christian, harm so many gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals, by constantly condemning them for something they didn't even choose? Are you just not a Christian?

 

[Beanieboy]

QFT

Seconded

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Just as Fundamentalists and other Conservative Christians act just like the Pharisees. While Christ hung out with the "pagans and tax collectors", even having a tax collector as an apostle, the Pharisees were the ones doing the condemning and claiming they were the only ones who properly understood the Scriptures.

Nice try, but Jesus did not support paganism, and the tax collectors He did hang out with, repented. That is why the scripture says that "salvation has come to the house" of one of them.

Go back and do the honest thing when using scripture. Do it "in context."

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I find it very telling that PCF has ignored my response on page 6 of this thread, as the OP was ostensibly a question aimed at heterosexual Christians who believe that homosexuality is not condoned in the Bible.

I can't find your post on page 6.

The Bible no where "condones" homosexuality (as same-gender sexual behavior is called today) even in Bibles read by people that engage in homosexuality.

 

[Caylin]

And... what else should it be called?

 

[CCGirl]

No, but I think Gays should evangelize to Christians.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

How do you explain all of the deeply devoted liberal Christians, then? What makes you think that their relationship with God is any less real than yours is?

People perishing for the lack of knowledge. Why is it that liberal Christians are no different in their ideology than liberal Humanists and progressive atheists? THAT is a better question. A Christian is not to be like the world. Have you ever read the New Testament? The wheat and the chaff parable. And many others. Wolves among the sheep.

Why, then, do you, a self-admitted Christian, harm so many gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals, by constantly condemning them for something they didn't even choose?

Gay Debate tactic number 2 is it? The old "they were born that way," ploy? How come GLBT's are the only kinds of people that get a pass from original sin, or any sin for that matter? We Christians don't even get that pass when we became Christians. Why is it that GLBT's are presented as the saintliest class of people of all time? It's creepy. Seriously.

Are you just not a Christian?

How would I know? The Bible perhaps? Unaltered and not ignored maybe would be a good place for me to "test ALL things" related to being a Christian? Go ahead, I'm asking you.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

No, but I think Gays should evangelize to Christians.

They're trying in their gay way, I believe their clubs go by the name Gay-Straight Alliance, or PFLAG or GLSEN, etc., etc..

And they are even attempting a Christian label to it. And getting rejected. They have no stance other than secular.

Evangel means: The Gospel.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

Your question was answered within your own post. YOU don't give anyone over, only God.

Christians are commanded by Jesus himself, in Mark 16:15 as follows:

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Are you purporting to know the mind of God and telling us that we should listen to you rather than Jesus regarding who should be told the Good News?

I can't find your post on page 6.

The Bible no where "condones" homosexuality (as same-gender sexual behavior is called today) even in Bibles read by people that engage in homosexuality.

I located my post, on page 6 as stated. I believe it is post #108.

I agree that the Bible does not condone same-gender sex. I disagree with your methods, as does my pastor with whom I have discussed some of the hate-filled rhetoric that I have seen posted on this forum.

By the way, I belong to a Southern Baptist Church - we're not progressive, liberal or leftist. Just practicing Christianity the way it was taught by Christ. Any sin committed by a homosexual is no worse than the sins committed by any other person. All sin is displeasing to God - ALL sin, not just sexual sin. Is that not what your Bible says?

 

[cantata]

It certainly is awesome being bisexual. Perhaps some Christians would benefit from a little more love...

 

[Maren]

Nice try, but Jesus did not support paganism,

Except I never claimed that. Not to mention, if you wish others to capitalize Christian, Christianity, etc., you may want to respect those who believe in Paganism by capitalizing it -- or at least follow the rules of English by capitalizing proper names.

and the tax collectors He did hang out with, repented.

Proof? The Bible never states that the publicans (tax collectors) or harlots (whom you appear to claim are actually Pagans). In fact, Christ was criticized by the Pharisees (and at times even by his disciples) because these people were unrepentant.

That is why the scripture says that "salvation has come to the house" of one of them.

And some did repent as a result of Christ's treating them like people and not condemning them for not being perfect. It was the Pharisees who used your approach of acting condescending, judgmental, and hypocritically in an attempt to bring people to God.

Go back and do the honest thing when using scripture. Do it "in context."

Funny considering your only claim that I didn't correctly use Scripture was you false claims, that I inferred Jesus supported Paganism (which I did not) and that some publicans and other sinners repented (which again, I never said they didn't).

It is good to see you agree (or at least not deny) that the actions of the Pharisees appear to be the same as those of Fundamentalist Christians.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I located my post, on page 6 as stated. I believe it is post #108.

I agree that the Bible does not condone same-gender sex. I disagree with your methods, as does my pastor with whom I have discussed some of the hate-filled rhetoric that I have seen posted on this forum.

How nice. I'm famous. I just thought I was treating others as I would want to be treated. And certainly treating people as I AM treated. Ask your Pastor why Jesus mentions hell and the consequences of sin so often. Is Jesus the bearer of distasteful methods?

(How do I get rid of this purple?)

By the way, I belong to a Southern Baptist Church - we're not progressive, liberal or leftist. Just practicing Christianity the way it was taught by Christ. Any sin committed by a homosexual is no worse than the sins committed by any other person. All sin is displeasing to God - ALL sin, not just sexual sin. Is that not what your Bible says?

Oh really, could you or your Pastor please point out where Jesus taught about marriage could ever be between same-gendered individuals? Maybe some other place in the New Testament? Usually, sinners do not take "pride" in their sins. And certainly are not celebrated in the Church while doing so. Schism is the fruit of gay theology.

I do believe that many of the Apostles (no wait ALL of them) would see pride in yours sins, as something that may indeed tell whether a person is even a Christian or not.

You have read Jude, Peter, John, James? And Paul, well we all know how the GLBT community feels about his letters to Roman Christians.

Are you sure what you and your Pastor don't like in my tactics, is that I do not roll over and pretend to be humble? Being humble and showing love, is not letting your friends get poisoned by heretics and anti-Christ people. We are now to the point where homosexuals are demanding to teach us and lead us.

Christianity is seen as a joke by its enemies precisely because for too many years, Christians have let anti-Christians and sinning members spread their poison within the Church. Notice, we are to let the weeds and the wheat grow in the same place, but we are not to ignore the weeds and where they are, and we are certianly not supposed to water them.

 

[quatona]

(How do I get rid of this purple?)

It sure looks gay.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

OK, I found it, but it was on page 11 (on my computer).

Your question was answered within your own post. YOU don't give anyone over, only God.

Christians are commanded by Jesus himself, in Mark 16:15 as follows:

What about preaching listening to the reactions of who you are preaching to, and shaking the dust from your feet when they refuse the Gospel? Is that not written?

(ERRGH, how do I get rid of this purple?)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Then your answer is "yes" to the OP?

[/quote]Are you purporting to know the mind of God and telling us that we should listen to you rather than Jesus regarding who should be told the Good News?[/quote]

No, I just contend for the faith with what was written down by the Apostles and Disciples. Not one place says we should push evangelism onto people that reject it. Certainly the Newt Testament writers are not silent about people that celebrate their sins.

All my OP did was ask a question or two. I judged no one. I just present things as it pertains to the writings.

Flibbertigibbet

Junior Member


Originally Posted by Polycarp_fan

The gay community and the Christian community are worlds apart on proper moral behavior, so why should Christians bother with homosexuality and those that engage in it?

Are gays "given up?" Should Christians evangelize "Gays."

Paul about a segment of Roman life that bears a striking similarity to the sexual immorality of today:
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.

Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.​

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[Polycarp_fan]

It sure looks gay.
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Why would that be? Is purple a deviant color? I just thought it was a little blue with a little red. You know science and all. And art school. But, if we go into "art," we know where that will lead . . .