Gay theology (i.e. Mel White, Soulforce) why even try?

[Flibbertigibbet]

Immature. Very, very, very immature.

As opposed to the maturity you've shown in pointing it out? (and my maturity in pointing out your immature pointing out?)

 

[aeroz22]

The pamphlets are photos. They were written by people to show children how to engage in gay sex.

There's nothing wrong with teaching teenagers how to have safe sex. If they aren't taught how to have safe sex, they will have unsafe sex instead.

 

[selfinflikted]

And I wouldn't if I didn't know you or know that you had some problem or need that I could offer assistance with. I'm a Baptist, not a Jehovah's Witness (no offense to JW's, but I've had many a knock at my door over the years).

On second thought, I did have Baptists knock at my own door a couple of years ago (not from church however). I live in a small town and they noticed that I had just moved in. At the time (prior to conversion) I said nice to meet you and went in the house and left my husband to it.

Anyway, SI, it won't be me knocking at your door. But if you ever have a problem I'm available.

Thanks

 

[aeroz22]

While I disagree with PolyCarp's tactics and much of what has been said, I have to respond to this statement.

The difference is that should I come to your door with my Bible in hand, you are free to tell me to leave your home and close your door. I can't sit in your house and require you to either listen to me or leave your own home while I stay ensconced on your couch.

No one has to join a gay club. And as for symbols, we are all forced to see each other's symbols everywhere. Its called freedom of speech.

 

[Gremlins]

The worst thing about Booklets like the Little Black Book is not so much the subjects they cover, but the language which they phrase them in. Reading those things is, frankly, infantilising. It just comes off as if some 50 year old social worker read a few pages of MySpace and decided that that was the best way to communicate with teenagers. We all know what sperm is. 'F***ing'? You can call it penatrative sex, thanks.

 

[levi501]

Biblical contradiction or fallibility.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

 

[Polycarp_fan]

No one has to join a gay club. And as for symbols, we are all forced to see each other's symbols everywhere. Its called freedom of speech.

But it's getting so that parents don't have freedom to oppose the gay agenda, anywhere but in their homes or Churches. For now anyway. ENDA is on the way to force homosexuality in every corner of society. Reminds me of 1930's and 1940's Germany.

Day of silence is forced on all. If kids don't remain silent they are guilty of being a bigot, homophobe, hater yada, yada. It is intimidation pure and simple. It is not tolerance that the gay agenda preaches, it is authoritarian rule.

It's like gay theology, its ridiculous, but here we are.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

Levi, are you a fundie?

Atheist?

You me be a fundie atheist if . . .

http://www.tektonics.org/parody/fundyath.html

Here's a glimpse:

1. As a member of the Skeptic's Society you pride yourself on being skeptical of extraordinary claims. You also pride yourself on silencing everyone who is skeptical of the extraordinary claims of evolution.
2. Isaac Newton does not count as an example of a great scientist who believed in the Bible since he died before the Origin of Species was published.
3. When you watch a punt returner run a 93 yard touchdown, you marvel at what evolution has done for the human race. But when someone gets cancer, you blame God for it.
4. When you're discussing the origin of the world, the phrase "uncaused cause(God)" is a stupid, meaningless thing to say. You will, however, settle for "uncaused effect(the world without God)".
5. You descended from apes.(Think about it.)
6. You think that humans are products of chance but when it comes to human reason we can believe in logic! (Think about it !)
7. You think you arrived at your position because you are a free-thinker who rationally weighed the evidence, and then freely chose atheism over theism. YET, you also believe that your thinking and actions are nothing more than the FIXED reactions of the atoms in your brain that are governed by the Laws of Chemistry and Physics.
8. You love to castigate Christians for being "anti-science" if they deny evolution from goo to you via the zoo, and to preach that they should adapt their thinking to the "science" of our day. But you also castigate the Church of 400 years ago for being anti-science, when it DID adapt its thinking to the science of ITS day, i.e. Ptolemaic cosmology, then joined with the Aristotelian scientists of the universities in rejecting Galileo!
9. You think that some guy named "Dr Dino" with no scientific credentials represents mainstream Evangelical thinking and scholarship about evolution and creation, and thus by spending inordinate amounts of time attacking him you are somehow dismantling the arguments of scholarly dissenters from evolution, creationists with earned Ph. D.s in science, and of advocates of intelligent design.
10. You claim poker-faced that "social Darwinism" and its spawn of eugenics have absolutely no connection to the biological theories propounded by Charles Darwin in "On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"
11. You have recently stuck a Darwin fish on your car in the hopes the people with the Jesus fish on theirs will be offended.
12. You also claim that not only is there no connection between Darwin's theories and the doctrines of social Darwinism and eugenics (despite the fact that the term eugenics was coined and advocated by Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, who acknowledged his debt to Origin), but that none of these philosophical positions have any connection to the modern fields of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology.
13. You can claim with as straight face on sites like Talk Origins that "Evolution does not have moral consequences" despite the fact that prominent evolutionary advocates like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett vehemently assert that evolution does transcend biology in a way that has a profound effects upon ethics.
14. When the Pope says that God may have used evolution, he is an enlightened religious leader whom Christians should listen to. When the Pope preaches on the sanctity of human life from conception, and thus denounces abortion, he's just a senile religious bigot who should keep his opinions to himself.
15. Concerning the origins of life, you feel that though the chances of life forming without an intelligent creator are small it DID indeed happen that way. And yet you don't believe me when a rock, coming from my direction, hits you in the back of the head and I tell you, "I didn't throw it. There was a sudden shift in the earth's gravitational pull and the rock levitated into your head...Sure the chances are small but it DID happen that way."
16. When you're shown that your view of origins is silly, you can only respond, "Well...at least it's better than believing in some invisible SKY DADDY!"
17. When a Christian points out the impossibility of a biological system (or feature) forming by pure chance you accuse them of invoking a "God of the gaps". YET, when you are asked how a particular feature could come about solely by chance you invoke "Evolution of the gaps" (i.e., we don't know HOW but we do know that Evolution MUST have done it!)
18. You claim antibiotic-resistant bacteria is proof protozoa evolved into a person.
19. You insist that science is completely partial to all ideas, is not dogmatic and researches all possibilities -- except creationism and/or intelligent design.
20. You claim Creationists don't research on evolution websites before debating against it. Luckily you caught this useful weapon against Christians at the evolution site you learned all about creation doctrine from.
21. You think that every scientist who believes in Creationism and doesn't mindlessly accept evolution as a fact is a "kook," but you believe that Francis Crick (Nobel Prize winning co-discoverer of DNA), who reached into his nether regions and pulled out the "theory" of Directed Panspermia (which states with absolutely no support that aliens seeded the earth with life - see the movie "Mission to Mars"), is a great evolutionist scientist.
22. When a creationist points out problems with the evolutionist model you claim that the whole point of science is to answer problems like these. But if you can point out even one problem in the creationist model it should instantly be abandoned as absurd.
23. You are a person who absolutely believes that life came from nonlife, yet absolutely deny the possibility of anyone rising from the dead.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

There's nothing wrong with teaching teenagers how to have safe sex. If they aren't taught how to have safe sex, they will have unsafe sex instead.

Teenagers are not adults. Now, who is it that is teaching these kids how to have sex? Pederasts or their parents?

Now, just one call to a proctologist will be enough research on the notion of sticking fingers, hands, er, um, you know, up . . .

So much for "Christians" being obsesseed with the sex acts of gays and lesbians. It looks like they have that corner all sowed up. It is just being pointed out by parents that don't want these kinds of people teaching their children. Now we see clearly what the word "orientation" really has always meant.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

But it's getting so that parents don't have freedom to oppose the gay agenda, anywhere but in their homes or Churches. For now anyway. ENDA is on the way to force homosexuality in every corner of society. Reminds me of 1930's and 1940's Germany.

Day of silence is forced on all. If kids don't remain silent they are guilty of being a bigot, homophobe, hater yada, yada. It is intimidation pure and simple. It is not tolerance that the gay agenda preaches, it is authoritarian rule.

It's like gay theology, its ridiculous, but here we are.

Parents don't have the freedom to oppose the "gay agenda"?

And what exactly is this so called "gay agenda" you want parents to be free to oppose?

As for the day of silence, I bet you a million dollars that no one has been considered "guilty of being a bigot, homophobe, hater " for talking on the day of silence.

And, for the record, as protests or awareness raising exercises go, I think the day of silence is fairly naff. So I neither endorse, nor oppose it, but I DO endorse anyone having the right to participate or not, as they see fit, in ANY form of public expression of freedom of speech.

 

[aeroz22]

But it's getting so that parents don't have freedom to oppose the gay agenda, anywhere but in their homes or Churches. For now anyway. ENDA is on the way to force homosexuality in every corner of society. Reminds me of 1930's and 1940's Germany.

Day of silence is forced on all. If kids don't remain silent they are guilty of being a bigot, homophobe, hater yada, yada. It is intimidation pure and simple. It is not tolerance that the gay agenda preaches, it is authoritarian rule.

It's like gay theology, its ridiculous, but here we are.

Like I said, no one is forcing you to go to a gay club. You're not being forced to do anything you don't agree with, unless you think that you have a right to live in a society where gay people pretend they are not gay, and live as heterosexuals. But, you do not have that right. It is not your right to live in a society where you will never see two gay people kissing, or live in a society where gay people are banned from getting married, or to be reassured that you will never have to worry that your next door neighbor is gay. It is not your right to have society in general free from gay people, or gay actions, or gay celebrations, or gay parades, or gay ceremonies. They live here too.

I'm sorry but if you think its your right not to see two gay people kissing, just turn your head. You don't have a right to not hear of or see gay people in society being gay. And you don't have the right to tell two gay people "No, you can't get married because I say so."

This is a free society, if you don't like what is going on in a public school, whatever it may be, then take your kids out of that public school. Its your right. By the way, gay people pay taxes for the public schools too, so what they say and what they want matters just as much as you. If you want to create a bible club in the school, then they can have their gay club. If you wear a cross necklace, they can wear rainbow earrings. Whatever you get, they get. They've tolerated the Christian Agenda all their lives, and now, finally, its their turn to claim the same rights, and you dont' like it at all.

You don't have a right to be free from seeing or hearing gay people in society being gay.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You don't have a right to be free from seeing or hearing gay people in society being gay.

Just like no one has a right to be free from seeing or hearing people be heterosexual

 

[aeroz22]

Teenagers are not adults. Now, who is it that is teaching these kids how to have sex? Pederasts or their parents?

Now, just one call to a proctologist will be enough research on the notion of sticking fingers, hands, er, um, you know, up . . .

So much for "Christians" being obsesseed with the sex acts of gays and lesbians. It looks like they have that corner all sowed up. It is just being pointed out by parents that don't want these kinds of people teaching their children. Now we see clearly what the word "orientation" really has always meant.

I'm not sure what your point is here. True, teenagers are not adults. But that doesn't stop them.

 

[aeroz22]

Just like no one has a right to be free from seeing or hearing people be heterosexual

Exactly. I think that PF believes that it is his right to never have to observe two gay people kissing in public, or have to see or hear of a gay parade, or "endure" reading in the news about gay people trying to acquire legal rights like married heterosexual couples.

When he says that the gay agenda is being forced upon him and down kids throats, it sounds to me like what he means is, "As they come out of the closet we are forced to see more and more of them, and its violating my right to not have to see or hear of them in my society."

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Exactly. I think that PF believes that it is his right to never have to observe two gay people kissing in public, or have to see or hear of a gay parade, or "endure" reading in the news about gay people trying to acquire legal rights like married heterosexual couples.

When he says that the gay agenda is being forced upon him and down kids throats, it sounds to me like what he means is, "As they come out of the closet we are forced to see more and more of them, and its violating my right to not have to see or hear of them in my society."

Yes. My existing is NOT the same as forcing an agenda down kid's throats, anymore than anyone elses mere existence is.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

I'm sorry but if you think its your right not to see two gay people kissing, just turn your head.

I don't particularly want to see ANYONE kissing - gay or straight. I'm all for no-PDA. Holding hands, arms around each other, hugging, fine. Swapping spit - ewww.

That may be something that comes with age, though. I don't remember giving a rip about it when I was younger. My opinion probably changed around the time I was licked by a 2 year old during goodnight kisses, after he observed a couple apparently trying to eat each other's faces.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Yes, PDsA CAN be in poor taste and inappropriate... but thats regardless of the gender and orientation of the participants.

If you are against ALL PDsA, thats cool. If you are against only the PDsA of homosexuals, and fine with the exact same thing for a hetero couple, THEN I have a problem

 

[BigBadWlf]

(Caution: extremely gross and disgusting. We debated posting this in unedited form; we did so because it was given to schoolchildren in a public school, written with public money. Unfortunately, it's necessary that the public see it.)

"The Little Black Book - Queer in the 21st Century"

Is this the future? This booklet was distributed to hundreds of kids (middle school age and up) at Brookline High School, Brookline, MA, on April 30, 2005. It was written by the Boston-based AIDS Action Committee, with help with the Massachusetts Department of Public Health and the Boston Public Health Commission.
The event that day was designed for children and their teachers across Massachusetts, organized by the "Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network" (GLSEN). This is the group that runs "Gay-Straight Alliance" clubs in public schools across the country. You must ask yourself: What kind of person would write this? What kind of person would give it to kids? Where is this movement headed?
Click here for full report of event, including photos, news reports, Governor's statement, and more.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/black_book/black_book_inside.html

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What is the rule on posting photos of a graphic nature?

Now it took very little digging to find that the claims made about this pamphlet and how it was “distributed to children” are false (is anyone surprised?) It seems that the pamphlet was made for adults and distributed (a total of ten copies were made) at an AIDS conference that was held in Brookline, Mass where the sponsoring group rented a middle school and a large number of groups exhibited products and topics for discussion and education. The Conference was held during spring break BTW with no school in session. It was not “made available in April to hundreds of middle school children” as Focus on the Fmaily has falsly claimed. (But since when does anyone believe anythign Focus on the Fmaily claims?)

Now attending this conference was a woman form Article 8 Alliance, apparently a part of MassResistance. She picked up a copy of TheLittleBlackBook: Queerinthe21stCentury for her group and they proceded to misrepresnet it and its contents. Why was she there? Undoubtely to try to find something like thispamphletto help her group spread false witness.

 

[BigBadWlf]

So I have have been misled by propaganda? Or misled by recruitment tactics into the anti-gay movment? Or, can we just say that getting someone to accept something means you must get them to accept something?

You were mislead by anti-gay Christian propaganda.

The pamphlet (all ten copies) were never distributed to children and never intended to be.

The malevolent do make mistakes, but usually it is in getting caught at it. Many "accidents" are calculated.

You mean malevolent people like the numerous Christian groups who blatantly lied about this pamphlet?

No, just the malevolent ones. When they get old, they seem to want to settle down. In their kind of way.

you mean telling more and bigger lies about gays and lesbians?

 

[BigBadWlf]

An ultra liberal newspaper is hardly what I would call honest. There's no doubt why MassResistance was labeled a hate group.

Because they blatantly lie about a minority, the pamphlet in question is a fine example of their willingness to lie.

Your protesting only tells us all that you knew the claims of massresistance were lies but you reproduced them anyway

They expose the truth about the gay agenda. That gets you screamed at, threatened and labeled by GLBT's. Yet, their behavior is not hate. Up is no down.

What truth? How can anyone expect MassResitance to be truthful about anything when they blatantly lied about “The Little Black Book”?

Of course you think MassResistance is a hate group. But, it still doesn't change the actual happeings reported on their site:

http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html

As noted multiple times they lied.

To paraphrase Lewis Carrol, saying something three times does not make it true

That is patently a false statement. You know there is no opt-out for children to escape th gay agenda. Why do you think David Parker got kicked out of his child's school?

He was arrested for trespassing and only after several hours of attempts by school administrators and the police to get him to leave voluntarily. He refused to put up $50 bail preferring to contact media outlets about how he was being abused by being forced to stay in jail with all sorts of criminals. Parker was never charged.

Several years later his son assaulted another child in the cafeteria. Parker falsely claimed that his son was attacked because of his anti-gay stance

From National Geographic to porn. We are not ignorant of how seduction works pal.And "mom" and "Dad" are exclusive to the "sex" thing. You do know that don't you? You can't become a "Dad" or "a Mom'" It's all about the indoctrination of orientation. Basically the words are interchangeable. Otherwise "the Bible" and "Christianity" wouldn't be so opposed by the very same people that think "mommy and mommy" is not a recruitment tactic.

claiming it is is just another lie

You can't have a teacher teach Christianity. We are not equal. Religion is now taught exclusively out of the school system and banned from the school system. If you are saying that that is OK for gay sex adherants and their proclivities and relationships to be ousted from the public school, than that is the equality I am looking for. Sex should be taught as a physiological fact in education. Deviant sexuality needs to be outside of school teachings.

The only deviant around seems to be you. Hate being that deviation

Do I appear shy to you about comparisons? Free exchange of ideas pal.

if only your "ideas" were true

I dare say you have been accepting of this gay thing and see it as nothing wrong. We don't see through your eyes. How do you think 1 in 4 girls are now STD positive? Wearing the wrong gym clothes? The gay agenda is part of a larger agenda.

STD’s they contracted through heterosexual intercourse.

Our schools show little signs of morally sound teachers. They show proof of a perverse and licentious group of aged hippies preaching the anything goes of the sixties gneration, that are now PhD's working on public funds.

The only one showing no signs of morality is you

Their idea of stopping abuse is silencing any opposition of the gay agenda of indoctrianting school kids to enegage in homosexuality and not get opposed of doing so. It is pure recruitment into gay life. No different than oposing Military recruiters or positive military images on campus by the Lefties.

Again the claim that somehow gays and lesbians abuse children is just another lie of the Christian right.

Protecting their children. I'd bet every parent searches their hearts on how it happened that their child turned out gay or lesbian. And, I notice that they also decry a promiscuous life. Are they homophobes too, these parents of gays and lesbians. Even they know its all about sex. They are trying to do the best to prtoect their child from the menace of gay life. I don't fault then for that. But, I don't want them near my children and they shouldn't fsault me for that.

Actually good parents protect their children form hate mongers like you

Bunk. It is about turning this society upside down. It is malevolent through and through. Even in today's schools gay life is not celebrated. It is tolerated because kids don't want gay adults harrassing them.

more lies

Lou Sheldon has done a good job of exposing it. Althoigh the gays and lesbians get enraged and vioelnt about the guy:http://www.annoy.com/features/doc.html?DocumentID=100722

INTRODUCTION

How many of you haven’t heard of the “Gay Agenda” or “Radical Homosexual Agenda”?
Although many claim there isn't one, here it is, the new, improved radical, homosexual agenda for 2005. A roadmap, if you will, towards destroying nuclear families, and reshaping society to the point that if your son isn’t blowing his professor, don’t expect any graduation ceremonies. For all the fear-mongering pigs that use religion to marginalize, humiliate, electrocute and murder others, may this new Gay Agenda permeate your worst nightmares. Yes, Focus on the Family, Traditional Values Coalition, Concerned Women for America, American Family Association, Family Research Council, Eagle Forum, Alliance Defense Fund, Chrisitian Coaltion, Morality in the Media and all you other [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s, this means you.

More lies. But how can one expect to spread bigotry by telling the truth?

The very words "Gay" and "Lesbian" denote sex acts of each group.



Feel free to say what you want.

And what people have been doing is confronting your les with the truth. And good people everywhere will continue to do that