Zodiak Job 38:32

[Benoni]

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The following is from a large article from J Preston Eby, called the Heaven’s Declare can be found on the Web.

It is a remarkable fact that in the book of Job, which is the oldest book in the Bible, going back to approximately 2150 B.C., which is before the Patriarch Abraham was called; 650 years before Moses and the Law; over 1,100years before Homer wrote his Odyssey and Iliad it is in the book of Job that we have reference to this Stellar Revelation. In chapter 38 God finally breaks in and speaks to Job and his false comforters. He says to them, "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?" (Job 38:3].-33).
We see here a reference to the constellations of Orion, Pleiades, and Arcturus. Also ~n the book of Job there is reference to Cetus, the sea monster (Leviathan), and to Draco, the great dragon. And remember--this is GOD speaking! And the almighty Creator speaks of the "sweet influences" of Pleiades, the "bands" of Orion, the "seasons" of Mazzaroth, the "ordinances" of the heavens, and the "dominion" of these constellations ~n the earth! Each of these powers and influences of the constellations over the earth are indicated by God Himself as FACT! I would draw your attention to Job 38:32 wherein we have one of the most unusual key words in all of scripture. The word itself is found only in Job 38:32 where Yahweh asks His upright servant, "Canst thou bring forth MAZZA-ROTH in his season?" Mazzaroth is a Hebrew word which means THE CONSTELLATIONS OF THE ZODIAC! Blessed be God! the scriptures are not silent concerning the antiquity and authenticity of the Zodiac and its constellations. And God did not leave it to others to speak for Him--He authenticated them Himself. Long before the mysteries of Babylon, the myths of ancient Greece, or the gods and goddesses of the pagans, God almighty, omniscient and immutable acknowledged His glorious plan and power set forth in the heavens! The Amplified Bible reads, "Can you bind the chains of the cluster of stars called Pleiades, or loose the cords of the constellations of Orion? Can you lead forth the SIGNS OF THE ZODIAC in their season? Or can you guide the stars of the Bear with her young? Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish THEIR RULE upon the earth?" The constellations of the Zodiac are also mentioned in Job 9:9, Isa. ]3:10. Amos 5:8, etc.
The Zodiac is the earliest revelation to mankind from his Creator. Each of the twelve signs pictorially represents a prophetic event--an aspect of the progressive unfolding of the dealings, plan and purpose of God in the grand scheme of creation and redemption. Each sign portrays a dimension of SPIRITUAL REALITY wrought out, first of all, in the life of our blessed Forerunner and Head, Jesus Christ; secondly, in the life of each individual believer; and finally, collectively and corporately in the people of God.

 

[juvenissun]

We can "see" stars mentioned from the earth, although it is still an impossible job to me.
But we can not see 3D geometry of star arrangement until about 100 years ago.

May be some skeptic one likes to suggest that the Book of Job was actually written in recent time.

 

[gluadys]

We can "see" stars mentioned from the earth, although it is still an impossible job to me.
But we can not see 3D geometry of star arrangement until about 100 years ago.

May be some skeptic one likes to suggest that the Book of Job was actually written in recent time.

Depends on what you call "recent".

The linguistics of the Hebrew in Job suggest it was written in the 5th century BCE, maybe late 6th century.

Of course the setting of the story is a much earlier time, but we should not confuse the setting of a story with the time it was written.

So, Job is a sort of historical drama. Like Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. Written in the author's time, but set in an earlier age.

 

[Benoni]

Depends on what you call "recent".

The linguistics of the Hebrew in Job suggest it was written in the 5th century BCE, maybe late 6th century.

Of course the setting of the story is a much earlier time, but we should not confuse the setting of a story with the time it was written.

So, Job is a sort of historical drama. Like Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. Written in the author's time, but set in an earlier age.

Job is far from a histoical drama; Job is a very deep and divine book of the Bible. When and where it was written is debateable.

 

[juvenissun]

Depends on what you call "recent".

The linguistics of the Hebrew in Job suggest it was written in the 5th century BCE, maybe late 6th century.

Of course the setting of the story is a much earlier time, but we should not confuse the setting of a story with the time it was written.

So, Job is a sort of historical drama. Like Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. Written in the author's time, but set in an earlier age.

As long as it was not written in the past 100 years, some of the descriptions on natural feature are not known/explainable by people.

 

[lemmings]

What part from Job would require advanced knowledge of astronomy?

BTW: The ability to accurately measure the distance to stars was developed between 200 and 300 years ago.

 

[juvenissun]

What part from Job would require advanced knowledge of astronomy?

In fact, it does not NEED any astronomical knowledge. Just like a 5-year old still can be trained to read shakespeare loudly.

BTW: The ability to accurately measure the distance to stars was developed between 200 and 300 years ago.

I don't think so.

 

[lemmings]

In fact, it does not NEED any astronomical knowledge. Just like a 5-year old still can be trained to read shakespeare loudly.

What part of Job would have required advanced knowledge of astronomy to write?

I don't think so.

The first accurate measurement was done in 1838 by Friedrich Bessel, but the technology necessary (accurate telescopes and trigonometry) where both acquired before the 19th century.

 

[Benoni]

The tread was the Zodiak not Job

 

[busterdog]

The tread was the Zodiak not Job

Its an interesting idea. Chuck MIssler at Khouse.org does quite a bit of teaching on this. For example, what is a star representing fruitfulness, or pregnancy, Spika, doing in the constellation Virgo?

Scripture also says that God names the stars, not men.

To complete this thesis, you would have to explain away babylonian perversion of these notions in the creation of astrology. To me, there is not that big of a problem.

Certainly there was a tradition older than Moses. (No, not Nimrod, Semiramus, etc.) What stories did Enoch hear, having no Bible? Jude says he was pretty theologically hip.

Of course, this forum hardly blanches at the notion that men from the stars gifted us with their, uh, genetic material. Suggesting that something else came from the stars, such as a prophetic story told by God is a harder sell here to many.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Of course, this forum hardly blanches at the notion that men from the stars gifted us with their, uh, genetic material.

Cite? (BjorkIsCool's thread doesn't count ... I want something from a regular).

 

[gluadys]

Job is far from a histoical drama; Job is a very deep and divine book of the Bible.

Why do you suggest there is a contradiction between being a historical drama and a very deep and divine book of the Bible? I would agree with both descriptions.

When and where it was written is debateable.

To some extent. But since language changes over time, it is roughly datable. No linguist would mistake 5th century BCE Hebrew for 25th century BCE Hebrew. Anymore than a reader of English would mistake a passage of Victorian English for a passage of Chaucerian English.

 

[busterdog]

Cite? (BjorkIsCool's thread doesn't count ... I want something from a regular).

You mean a bunch of regulars "hardly blanching?"

 

[Tinker Grey]

Your statement seems to suggest that the aliens seeding our planet is a commonly asserted idea in this forum.

Can you back that up? Or, maybe explain what you meant instead?

 

[busterdog]

Your statement seems to suggest that the aliens seeding our planet is a commonly asserted idea in this forum.

Can you back that up? Or, maybe explain what you meant instead?

The phrase I used was "hardly blanch". No one had a problem with Bjork's thread. Creationism is hooted to a far greater degree. If you look at the thread no one is saying that alien seeding is unworthy of consideration, just that it is not very likely. YEC, but contrast, is generally not worthy of any consideration to anyone here but YECs (with a very few exceptions).

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, FTR, as one who acceps evolution, I think alien involvement is as unlikely as YEC.

It is not logically impossible (anymore than YEC is logically impossible). For me, the evidence for each of those propositions are equally unlikely.

 

[artybloke]

Job is far from a histoical drama; Job is a very deep and divine book of the Bible.

Why are the two things mutually exclusive?

 

[busterdog]

Well, FTR, as one who acceps evolution, I think alien involvement is as unlikely as YEC.

It is not logically impossible (anymore than YEC is logically impossible). For me, the evidence for each of those propositions are equally unlikely.

Picking up in Benoni's thread.