Originally Posted by youdahman
Here is what the Bible plainly says.
It says Because of Abrahams faith his genetic heirs would have the land of canaan everlasting.
The Bible also says if any of us including Abrahams genetic heirs do not have faith we will not recieve the KIngdom when it comes. The genetic heirs of Abraham will always have their land of Canaan until Jesus returns
but that does not garauntee them Heaven.
So understand this is not a lie.
If you want to go look at the bazillion posts I have made on this topic with all the perinent verses from the Bible have at it.
I already went through this with a few other confused and decieved bro's and sis's on this site. I don't have the time any more to go through it.
But if you have been given understanding then you can read this and know what you are saying is not wrong it is only half right.
Isaiah 60
The Glory of Zion
This started when Jesus was born
1 "Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.
2 See, darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the peoples,
but the LORD rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
This will happen after Jesus returns
3 Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
This started in 1948 AND IS STILL IN THE PROCESS TODAY
4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the arm.
5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
This has started but all from Sheba will not prause the Lord until he returns and conquers 6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.
This is future tense for us today because the Temple has not yet been rebuilt but Israel already has the Blueprints and plans to rebuild it.
7 All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.
This is the Israeli airforce
8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?
This started in 1948 and is still in the process to this day.
9 Surely the islands look to me;
in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, [a]
bringing your sons from afar,
with their silver and gold,
to the honor of the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.
This started in 1948 and is still in the process today.He was angry because of Pagn worship and non circumcision. They stopped pagan worship and started circumcsing again which was the only prerequisit for them having their land of Canaan because of ABRahame faith not theirs.
10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
This has not YET happened but is going to in the near future. 11 Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations
their kings led in triumphal procession.
Some nations like PALESTINE and HITLERS REGIME and SADDAMS REGIME
have already experienced this and more will in our immediate future.
12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
This will probably be the next prophecy fulfilled in your lifetime you will see with your own eyes. Watch and behold the power of Yahweh the Father.
13 "The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the pine, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn the place of my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place of my feet.
This is in the near future as well
14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
This is also future rense after Jesus returns.
15 "Although you have been forsaken and hated,
with no one traveling through,
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
This started happening in 1948 and is still going on today.
16 You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed at royal breasts.
Then you will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior,
your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
This started happening in 1948 but is not yet totally fulfilled.
17 Instead of bronze I will bring you gold,
and silver in place of iron.
Instead of wood I will bring you bronze,
and iron in place of stones.
I will make peace your governor
and righteousness your ruler.
18 No longer will violence be heard in your land,
nor ruin or destruction within your borders,
but you will call your walls Salvation
and your gates Praise.
19 The sun will no more be your light by day,
nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you,
for the LORD will be your everlasting light,
and your God will be your glory.
20 Your sun will never set again,
and your moon will wane no more;
the LORD will be your everlasting light,
and your days of sorrow will end. 21 Then will all your people be righteous
and they will possess the land forever.
They are the shoot I have planted,
the work of my hands,
for the display of my splendor.
Swiftly to God is different than swiftly to man. This is all in the process and much has happened since 1948 proving might Father Yahweh and his word the Bible is true for this last generation before Jesus ( Yeshua ) returns.
22 The least of you will become a thousand,
the smallest a mighty nation.
I am the LORD;
in its time I will do this swiftly."
How about we go with neither common sense or emotions and stick with the bible
Galatians 3:29 (Whole Chapter)
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
What promise is he talking about?
The promise of Salvation.
He is talking about the promise of the City once it descends onto Jerusalem after Jesus returns. But that does not nulify the promise of the land of Canaan too Abrahams Genetic descendents.
Romans 4:16 (Whole Chapter)
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
NOTICE, it was the faith of ABRAHAM, not his blood lineage, that was important to God concerning his promise.
That is right because of Abrahams faith his genetic heirs recieved the promise of the land of Canaan everlasting and they were not required to have that faith because they were and are his genetic decenedents.
But for those of us who are not his genetic decendents and his genetic decendents both need faith if we want to recieve the SEPERATE COVENANT PROMISE of SALVATION
Acts 3:25 (Whole Chapter)
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
again, correlating with Galatians 3:29 about Abraham's seed who includes Spiritual Israel.
HOW? THROUGH THE FAITH OF Abraham, not his blood. That faith points directly to Jesus Christ.
So while you look at the physical and genetic things the truth is we should be looking at what the bible emphasizes, the fruits of the spirit.
No we should look at the truth and not false doctrine.Galatians 3:29 (Whole Chapter)
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
What promise is he talking about?
The promise of Salvation.
He is talking about the promise of the City once it descends onto Jerusalem after Jesus returns. But that does not nulify the promise of the land of Canaan too Abrahams Genetic descendents.
Romans 4:16 (Whole Chapter)
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
NOTICE, it was the faith of ABRAHAM, not his blood lineage, that was important to God concerning his promise.
That is right because of Abrahams faith his genetic heirs recieved the promise of the land of Canaan everlasting and they were not required to have that faith because they were and are his genetic decenedents.
But for those of us who are not his genetic decendents and his genetic decendents both need faith if we want to recieve the SEPERATE COVENANT PROMISE of SALVATION
Acts 3:25 (Whole Chapter)
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
again, correlating with Galatians 3:29 about Abraham's seed who includes Spiritual Israel.
HOW? THROUGH THE FAITH OF Abraham, not his blood. That faith points directly to Jesus Christ.
So while you look at the physical and genetic things the truth is we should be looking at what the bible emphasizes, the fruits of the spirit.
Here is what the Bible plainly says.
It says Because of Abrahams faith his genetic heirs would have the land of canaan everlasting.
The Bible also says if any of us including Abrahams genetic heirs do not have faith we will not recieve the KIngdom when it comes. The genetic heirs of Abraham will always have their land of Canaan until Jesus returns
but that does not garauntee them Heaven.
So understand this is not a lie.
If you want to go look at the bazillion posts I have made on this topic with all the perinent verses from the Bible have at it.
I already went through this with a few other confused and decieved bro's and sis's on this site. I don't have the time any more to go through it.
But if you have been given understanding then you can read this and know what you are saying is not wrong it is only half right.
Isaiah 60
The Glory of Zion
This started when Jesus was born
1 "Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.
2 See, darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the peoples,
but the LORD rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
This will happen after Jesus returns
3 Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
This started in 1948 AND IS STILL IN THE PROCESS TODAY
4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the arm.
5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
This has started but all from Sheba will not prause the Lord until he returns and conquers 6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.
This is future tense for us today because the Temple has not yet been rebuilt but Israel already has the Blueprints and plans to rebuild it.
7 All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.
This is the Israeli airforce
8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?
This started in 1948 and is still in the process to this day.
9 Surely the islands look to me;
in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, [a]
bringing your sons from afar,
with their silver and gold,
to the honor of the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.
This started in 1948 and is still in the process today.He was angry because of Pagn worship and non circumcision. They stopped pagan worship and started circumcsing again which was the only prerequisit for them having their land of Canaan because of ABRahame faith not theirs.
10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
This has not YET happened but is going to in the near future. 11 Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations
their kings led in triumphal procession.
Some nations like PALESTINE and HITLERS REGIME and SADDAMS REGIME
have already experienced this and more will in our immediate future.
12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
This will probably be the next prophecy fulfilled in your lifetime you will see with your own eyes. Watch and behold the power of Yahweh the Father.
13 "The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the pine, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn the place of my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place of my feet.
This is in the near future as well
14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
This is also future rense after Jesus returns.
15 "Although you have been forsaken and hated,
with no one traveling through,
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
This started happening in 1948 and is still going on today.
16 You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed at royal breasts.
Then you will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior,
your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
This started happening in 1948 but is not yet totally fulfilled.
17 Instead of bronze I will bring you gold,
and silver in place of iron.
Instead of wood I will bring you bronze,
and iron in place of stones.
I will make peace your governor
and righteousness your ruler.
18 No longer will violence be heard in your land,
nor ruin or destruction within your borders,
but you will call your walls Salvation
and your gates Praise.
19 The sun will no more be your light by day,
nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you,
for the LORD will be your everlasting light,
and your God will be your glory.
20 Your sun will never set again,
and your moon will wane no more;
the LORD will be your everlasting light,
and your days of sorrow will end. 21 Then will all your people be righteous
and they will possess the land forever.
They are the shoot I have planted,
the work of my hands,
for the display of my splendor.
Swiftly to God is different than swiftly to man. This is all in the process and much has happened since 1948 proving might Father Yahweh and his word the Bible is true for this last generation before Jesus ( Yeshua ) returns.
22 The least of you will become a thousand,
the smallest a mighty nation.
I am the LORD;
in its time I will do this swiftly."