"Jesus Camp"

[LittleNipper]

Doesn't differ with us -- we like doctors. It's some of your fellow Christians who eschew medicine.

So you agree that LUKE was a physician and it was totally wrong for anyone to say Luke was not and that there was no Bible evidence. Thank you.

 

[LittleNipper]

animals have shown that they can understand concepts such as happy, sad, good, bad, harmful benefitial; certain animals have shown mathematical ability; yes they have taight gorillas basic math and chimps have even been shown to do basic algebra (5 + 3 = X, 1 + X = 9, find X); dolphins have been known to save humans from drowning, and sharks.

Animals do use reasoning. ("hey, my master's is home, I am hungry, if I go ask him for food, he might give me some, because he has before in the past.") its the same reasoning we use to get out of bed everyday. ("I need to go to work to make money to buy food because Im hungry")

Who's to say instinct isn't the EXACT same thing as reasoning; just because when we think, words go throough our heads, instead of ideas, feelings, memories, images and experience as does with animals, means we "think" but animals do not? Sure, our brain capacity and cognitive process may be more complicated, but its a relatively blanketing and assumptive statement to say "animals do not use reasoning or logic" because they do.

A chimp reasons that if I put a stick into a termite mound, "I'll be able to get at them without getting bitten all over on my hand". Or, "This rock can break this nut to get at the good insides (there are even birds that do the same thing). A chimp uses the logic of trial and error; yes, it may have been taught by their progenitors, but when it first happened, the reasoning had to come from somewhere; the mind of the animal. Instinct, logic, thought, cognitive reflex, all stem from this culmination of millenia of inherited experience and existence.

if I am sad, my cat somehow knows it and tries to cheer me up. ~shrug~

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and reptiles are quite a diverse kingdom of animalia; they are not near to being close to the same. And Iguana shares less dna in common with a taipan than humans share with chimps....

Animals do not understand abstract ideas. Your cat thinks in terms of itself and it's relationship to your family --food, sleep, play, fear. It doesn't rationalize itself in relationship to eternity. It doesn't realize history prior to its own existance.

 

[LittleNipper]

can we please get back on topic;
"Jesus Camp"

did anyone remember the lady asking the kid's if they liked her manicured nails?

vanity my favorite sin

Does anyone remember Madonna? Now she was one wonderful role model for virginity and virture. My guess is that she never joked either?

 

[cantata]

Obamas a baptist? I have to laugh at that. Considering his unhealthy sickening support of abortion.

I'm actually pretty sure he's never claimed to be a baptist, but I didn't really want to get into an argument about it.

Plenty of perfectly healthy people are in favour of legal abortion, just as plenty of healthy people are against it. Please try not to label people who disagree with you as unhealthy.

 

[LittleNipper]

Although I can't speak for Obama, or anyone else for that matter, I'd be willing to bet that no one supports abortion. People always seem confuse the idea of supporting the right to choose and OMGZORZ! BABY KILLINGZEZ!

I'd be willing to bet no one supports killing old people, the sickly, or infirmed. Some people always seem to confused the idea of supporting rights with Hitler's right to believe in such.

Of course I would suggest time would be better spent being concerned with alternative measures instead of worrying that Hitler's rights might be trampled in some way.

 

[LittleNipper]

I'm not sure how you intend to further your point (wait, did you even have a point?) with this line on questioning, but I'm in a good mood because it's almost 5:00, so I'll indulge...



Well, seeing as I'm not a mind-reader, you'd really have to ask them. I have no idea, but if I had to guess I'd say it has something to do with them thinking abortion is immoral?



In the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference. And you know who it would make the least amount of difference to? Me. If i'd been aborted, I'd have never known it, so the point is completely moot... and useless.

Well, if you were aborted, you would not be here trying to defend abortion. In fact, if all abortion rights promoters had been aborted, the subject would not even be a topic of discussion.

 

[PetersKeys]

I'm actually pretty sure he's never claimed to be a baptist, but I didn't really want to get into an argument about it.

Plenty of perfectly healthy people are in favour of legal abortion, just as plenty of healthy people are against it. Please try not to label people who disagree with you as unhealthy.

Anyone who supports the murder of their unborn child is unhealthy mentally. The same way someone who thinks killing a 3 year child is. They are both equal

 

[IzzyPop]

Anyone who supports the murder of their unborn child is unhealthy mentally. The same way someone who thinks killing a 3 year child is. They are both equal

In your eyes, that may well be true. But in my eyes, there is a huge difference. That is the joy of subjectivity. See, I happen to think there is little difference between those that believe in a god and those that believe in alien abduction. They are both equal.

 

[cantata]

Anyone who supports the murder of their unborn child is unhealthy mentally. The same way someone who thinks killing a 3 year child is. They are both equal

Oh, grow up. I don't go round calling everyone I disagree with "unhealthy mentally". Get some perspective.

 

[LittleNipper]

In your eyes, that may well be true. But in my eyes, there is a huge difference. That is the joy of subjectivity. See, I happen to think there is little difference between those that believe in a god and those that believe in alien abduction. They are both equal.

GOD is the Creator of everything. An alien is someone from somewhere else.

 

[mpok1519]

Ive been to Christian camp before; some of the counselors were cool, some were utterly whacked out of their gord to the point they wanted to kick this one girl out for saying she was pro-choice.

she didn't get kicked out. I said something about a law suit and somehow they didnt care she was prochoice anymore. =)

 

[Baggins]

Well, if you were aborted, you would not be here trying to defend abortion. In fact, if all abortion rights promoters had been aborted, the subject would not even be a topic of discussion.

Congratulations!!111!!one11

You win the most pointless post of the year award

 

[selfinflikted]

Well, if you were aborted, you would not be here trying to defend abortion. In fact, if all abortion rights promoters had been aborted, the subject would not even be a topic of discussion.

Captain Obvious is Obvious. God. I literally roflmao at this.

 

[Nathan Poe]

GOD is the Creator of everything. An alien is someone from somewhere else.

In your opinion.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Captain Obvious is Obvious. God. I literally roflmao at this.

 

[Molal]

Mod-Hat
This thread has gone wildly astray from the OP.

Please re-read the OP......

Now, remain on topic.​

 

[selfinflikted]

As an aside, this is my thread, and I don't mind open discussion in this format. Unless the mods want to take action, I say carry on.

 

[IzzyPop]

GOD is the Creator of everything. An alien is someone from somewhere else.

Glad to see you missed the point entirely. Thanks for the response, though.

 

[LittleNipper]

Glad to see you missed the point entirely. Thanks for the response, though.

And you point was?

 

[LittleNipper]

Glad to see you missed the point entirely. Thanks for the response, though.

And you're point was?