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[Uphill Battle]

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[Rdr Iakovos]

Regarding repetition in prayer:

There is not one Orthodox who think there is magic in praying "Lord, have mercy" three times. We do not repeat it so that He will hear it, but so that WE will. Prayer is more than words, it is the union of one's soul with the words, praying from one's entire being, in the best case.

It is hypocritical for any Evangelical to criticize repeated prayers, for they have ALL repeated prayers to God. Child sick? "Please, please, please Lord."
Wayward and difficult neighbor? Pray for him/her once, or at every occasion until things change.

Let's can the hypocrisy.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rdr Iakovos
Again with opinion. JUST because it seems so clear to you, this does not make it fact.

One quick question:
How familiar are you with the Orthdox Church, its theology, praxis, and liturgy? Have you ever set foot in an Orthdox Temple (Church)?
Or are you just shooting from the hip here.

Secondly: Please list your resource(s) for your stated knowledge of the practices of the early Church.
Thanks in advance.


Its your job to teach us, then. Obviously, your church's ways is a foreign concept to many of us.

Most of us here stick with Scripture for our guide. Why should there be such a lack of understanding between us, then?

Perhaps you noted that the poster disqualified us without knowledge before we had the opportunity to do so?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Regarding repetition in prayer:

There is not one Orthodox who think there is magic in praying "Lord, have mercy" three times. We do not repeat it so that He will hear it, but so that WE will. Prayer is more than words, it is the union of one's soul with the words, praying from one's entire being, in the best case.

It is hypocritical for any Evangelical to criticize repeated prayers, for they have ALL repeated prayers to God. Child sick? "Please, please, please Lord."
Wayward and difficult neighbor? Pray for him/her once, or at every occasion until things change.

Let's can the hypocrisy.

have we all? you sure?

 

[sunlover1]

Regarding repetition in prayer:

There is not one Orthodox who think there is magic in praying "Lord, have mercy" three times.

Well, we will assume that's true
I wouldnt be surprised if there were orthodox,
protestants, catholic and any number of ppl
who do use some sort of 'magical' thinking.
Oh wait, it was ME who used to do that.
And not all that long ago either. sigh

We do not repeat it so that He will hear it, but so that WE will.

Interesting, not that I would have judged any
for saying Lord Have Mercy three times.

Prayer is more than words, it is the union of one's soul with the words, praying from one's entire being, in the best case.

Ahh, and yes, much more.

It is hypocritical for any Evangelical to criticize repeated prayers, for they have ALL repeated prayers to God. Child sick? "Please, please, please Lord."
Wayward and difficult neighbor? Pray for him/her once, or at every occasion until things change.

I think we should all make sure we're not doing what
Jesus said not to do, dont really care if one is
an evangelical, orthodox or martian.
we need to open our hearts and let Him do
some heart surgery if He wants to, rather than
hanging onto things we've grown comfy with.
Philo made an interesting observation abou King
David's 'repetitiveness'.

Let's can the hypocrisy

Good luck with that.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

have we all? you sure?

Have you?
Let's not be coy.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Originally Posted by Asinner
What does effectual signify to you? To me, it means, to not stop praying until the desired result has come to fruition.

Love,
Christina


response:

effectual to me signifies effectual.

It says nothing about repeating the same words over and over.


mocking response:



okeedokee


ef·fec·tu·al –adjective 1.producing or capable of producing an intended effect; adequate. 2.valid or binding, as an agreement or document.

not a whole lot about repetition in the word effectual, it would seem.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Have you?
Let's not be coy.

nope. I may have prayed about the same things, that required.

never written the prayer down for latter use.

you compare apples and oranges, and then call us hypocrites for it.

 

[sunlover1]

It is hypocritical for any Evangelical to criticize repeated prayers, for they have ALL repeated prayers to God.

Let's can the hypocrisy.

As I said earlier, we need to know WHAT Jesus
meant, and then Heed His Words.



Here's something that I do, ya'll can consider it
and are welcome to critique.

I pray (UB made me think of this) prayers that
are prewritten.
Here's an example:

Father, I come to You in the name of Jesus.
With the help of the Holy Spirit and by Your grace,
I join with the heavenly host
making a joyful noise to You
and serving You with gladness!
I come before Your presence with singing!

Lord, I know that You are God and that It is
You who have made us, not we ourselves,
and that we are Yours!
We are your people and the sheep of Your pasture.
Father I enter into YOur gates with thanksgiving
and present an offering of thanks,
I enter into yor courts with praise!
I am thankful and I delight to say so,.
I bless and praise your name!
For you are God and Your mercy and lovinginkindesss are everlasting.
Your faithfulness and truth endure to all generations.
It is a good and delightful thing to give thanks to You,
O Most High....

I dont pray that particular prayer every day, or even every month,
I have hundreds of them, and I use
the written prayers maybe once a month lately, I used
to use them once a week or more.
The reason I 'read' them is because they're all based
on Scripture, it helps me to hide His word in my heart,
and also, if it's His Word, then I know I"m praying
in accordance with His will.
But I dont 'read' them as is, I interject my own words
throughout so that it is not rote, but intimate.
As one might do while singing psalms.
Those were written by David, but I can take those
same songs and make them my own.
Same as one might purchase a greeting card.
While you didnt write the message, you make it
your own because you mean it from YOUR heart.

sunlover

comments are welcome, I have no desire
to hang onto things if they're unscriptural.

 

[disasm]

have we all? you sure?

Our Father, who art in Heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done
On Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from the evil one.

I'd be surprised to find a Christian that hasn't prayed this at least once.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me the sinner.

 

[Asinner]

ef·fec·tu·al –adjective 1.producing or capable of producing an intended effect; adequate. 2.valid or binding, as an agreement or document.

not a whole lot about repetition in the word effectual, it would seem.

God-willing, I will continue to pray for mercy, continue to pray for my family and those I love, my enemies, for peace, for a good defense at the dread judgement seat of Christ, for a guardian of my soul to watch over me, for the sick, the suffering . . . until Christ returns, fervently, effectually.

I am happy to hear that many only need one prayer to be effectual. May I ask each of you to pray for me, once only, that I may receive mercy.

Love,
Christina

 

[Asinner]

You are correct also, Uphill Battle, that my tutu was mocking. Please forgive me.

 

[sunlover1]

You are correct also, Uphill Battle, that my tutu was mocking. Please forgive me.

Those tutu's are easy to trip over.

 

[sunlover1]

Darn, I thought of another when I was cleaning
the fireplace.

For years I have prayed this same prayer again
during prayer time.
Father please teach us to love your people
as you do.
And lately, past few years, please give us
(me and family) wisdom.

Guess I thought I'd be heard for my
many words.

 

[disasm]

Darn, I thought of another when I was cleaning
the fireplace.

For years I have prayed this same prayer again
during prayer time.
Father please teach us to love your people
as you do.
And lately, past few years, please give us
(me and family) wisdom.

Guess I thought I'd be heard for my
many words.

I don't see anything wrong with that prayer. Who's saying it's vain repetitions?

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me the sinner.

 

[katherine2001]

Our Father, who art in Heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done
On Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from the evil one.

I'd be surprised to find a Christian that hasn't prayed this at least once.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me the sinner.

Actually, there are many Christians who won't pray this. Supposedly, it is too formal. However, it is the prayer that Jesus gave when the disciples asked how they should pray. If you think about it, it is short and succinct but has every important thing that we should pray for. Asking just that God's will be done in everything shortens prayers a lot, since we often spend a lot of prayer asking Him to give us what we want (in other words, our will). Also, the Son would be very aware of how prayers should be prayed, the kinds of prayers that God likes to hear.

 

[sunlover1]

I don't see anything wrong with that prayer. Who's saying it's vain repetitions?

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me the sinner.

But He must have heard me the first thousand
times I asked right?
lol.
Wait, maybe I better keep asking so I can
keep increasing in love for His people.

Actually, there are many Christians who won't pray this. Supposedly, it is too formal. However, it is the prayer that Jesus gave when the disciples asked how they should pray. If you think about it, it is short and succinct but has every important thing that we should pray for. Asking just that God's will be done in everything shortens prayers a lot, since we often spend a lot of prayer asking Him to give us what we want (in other words, our will). Also, the Son would be very aware of how prayers should be prayed, the kinds of prayers that God likes to hear.

But too, it says pray without ceasing.
WOW!
That's a whole lotta prayer.

I think most of us are missing that mark.

 

[holo]

Still circular.

And your faith is NOT ciruclar because...?

 

[holo]

"No, I've got GOOD reasons for believing this"

ROFL!

Well, since you apparently missed it, I referred to research on how the culture was in the days of Paul. If you must have some book title and page and all, I guess I could dig that up for you. There's a lot of bible commentaries that adress these things.

But hey, all the while you're complaining that I'm not answering your questions in an honest way, you're not answering mine at all... why do YOU believe these things are NOT cultural?

 

[Montalban]

Uphill Battle, what reason do you have for believing only in Scripture?