Obama pro/con

[oldbetang]

Even with the ludicrous focus on 'never batted an eye' it can be shown that was the case. Even one Legislator proudly proclaimed 'Fry the yellow /edited/ !!!' Not to mention the firebombings in Tokyo. Other Wright attackers may want to jump in before this gets any more embarrassing for your side of the fence.

First of all , it was offensive for him to even suggest a moral equivalency in the first place. One was an unprovoked terrorist attack.The other was an effort to end a long and brutal war with a minimal of casualties on both sides. How is it ludicrous to take issue with Wright's implying that the US never anguished over the decision to use the atom bomb and it's aftermath?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Maybe because both Commanders in the Pacific and Atlantic theaters both said the bombs werent necessary? Maybe because the propaganda of 'It saved lives' proves as a country we never batted an eye? Maybe because some of our own citizens in the CIA/Military have stated 9E wasnt unprovoked? This is what gets me. All the hoopla about why 9E happened. Want to repeat the pathically lame argument 'They just hate our freedom?' Why did 9E happen? Show us where Wright was wrong.

 

[oldbetang]

Maybe because both Commanders in the Pacific and Atlantic theaters both said the bombs werent necessary?

Did they now? Did McCarthur go on the record or do we just have hearsay? Marshall was certainly for it and Churchill never heard any naysaying in his encounters:

The historical fact remains, and must be judged in the after-time, that the decision whether or not to use the atomic bomb to compel the surrender of Japan was never even an issue. There was unanimous, automatic, unquestioned agreement around our table; nor did I ever hear the slightest suggestion that we should do otherwise.
Winston S. Churchill, Triumph and Tragedy ​

Maybe because the propaganda of 'It saved lives' proves as a country we never batted an eye?​

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Maybe because some of our own citizens in the CIA/Military have stated 9E wasnt unprovoked?

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[RealDealNeverstop]

Did I wake up in Twilight Zone? Was Churchill an American? Thought for sure we were discussing Americans? Marshall was not pro bomb on those targets and in fact he said he didnt want to make th decision to us or not use them. Anyways, Eisenhower was definitely against it from his own words in Mandate For Change, p. 380. Anyone may go to doug-long.com and at towards the top of the page there is a link for quotes from many military and cabinet members clearly being against the bomb.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Wow. Anyone else notice there was no response to prove Wright was wrong about why 9E happened? Just saw on morning news from dashboard Cop cams two different cops used their cruisers to run people down who were on foot. Gee, and both were black. Yeah, Wright is waayyyy out there to talk about racism! Oh, some more examples on divisive language: Islam is evil! Islam causes terrorism! These attacks on Wright need to get deeper than Coulter sound-bites. Fo real!

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

One more thing. Peeps pertetuate the myth the bombs were necessary for the war to end and Eisenhower clearly diagreed with that. He was peeved by the Potsdam declaration demanding unconditional surrender. Guess what, even after the bombs and tens of thousands of dead civilians, we still didnt get an unconditional surrender. In fact, the conditional surrender we got after the bombs was the SAME ONE OFFERED BEFORE THE BOMBS! Wright is right to slam us for not batting an eye. And we still havent learned from the horrors of killing civilians.

 

[MachZer0]

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,"​

Where is the evidence that americans never batted an eye?

Just a side note. The decision to drop those bombs was made by a Democrat. The same party of Obama

 

[Nathan Poe]

Just a side note. the decision to drop those bomds was made by a Democrat. The same party of Obama

Are you suggesting that the Democratic political party hasn't changed at all in the last half-century?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Sorry if i hurt the thread but it seemed worth it to briefly show why Wright isnt a 'nutcase' for some of the things he said.

 

[MachZer0]

Are you suggesting that the Democratic political party hasn't changed at all in the last half-century?

I didn't actually say that but it's interesting that you feel that way

 

[Nathan Poe]

I didn't actually say that but it's interesting that you feel that way

Where did you get the wrong idea that I felt that way, Mach?

You said "The same party as Obama."

You either meant "The same party" or you did not.

 

[MachZer0]

Where did you get the wrong idea that I felt that way, Mach?

You said "The same party as Obama."

You either meant "The same party" or you did not.

Isn't it the same party?

 

[Grizzly]

I didn't actually say that but it's interesting that you feel that way

Where did you get the wrong idea that I felt that way, Mach?

You said "The same party as Obama."

You either meant "The same party" or you did not.

Isn't it the same party?

Does anyone else feel the rabbit hole opening?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Isn't it the same party?

Well, it's got the same name. Is that all you meant?

 

[LonesomeTexan]

Do you think it will be as wild if Hillary beats up on Obama as it was when a few cops beat up on Rodney King for resisting arrest??

I sincerely believe so. I don't think it will just be blacks alone. I think fanatic left wing college kids (going to school on daddy's wallet of course) will join in on it as well as the dirty hippies of the vietnam era. I'm so glad I don't live in an urban area, where I'd see it happen first hand.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

It did not need to be stated residence is not in an urban area. Trust me

 

[MachZer0]

Well, it's got the same name. Is that all you meant?

It remains the Democratic Party as far as I recall, and it was a Democrat who made the decisin to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you contend with those points, fine

 

[Nathan Poe]

It remains the Democratic Party as far as I recall, and it was a Democrat who made the decisin to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you contend with those points, fine

If you want to compare Obama to Harry S. Truman, fine.

 

[MachZer0]

If you want to compare Obama to Harry S. Truman, fine.

It would be an interesting comparison, Truman being the first President to micromanage an American war into a stalemate by not fighting to win, leaving us with a bitter enemy firmly entrenched. but like I said, my comment was merely a side note

 

[DieHappy]

Diehappy, i wasnt saying Wright is better than Osteen because he yells. He is better because he is Christ based on many issues.

Please show me a few. Do you have a sermon excerpt or anything at all that shows he's more than the clips we've already heard? All I've seen is nonfactual screaming and divisiveness, but I've never actually gone to the church. I have a feeling I wouldn't be welcome.

I like his speaking style but that shouldnt be surprising As pointed out earlier, his comment about AIDS isnt as absurd as some might initially think. There is a long history of black men and women being used as guinea pigs in medical research.

Prisoners and Jews, too. And lower classes and lower castes. Oh, and rich people who are paid handsomely for their troubles. Medical knowledge has a very scary history. But medical knowledge gained by letting a disease run it's course, administering a placebo, and carefully documenting everything is a far cry from accusing the government of creating a virus in a lab simply to control a minority population.

He is not off base to say 9E was our foreign policy chickens coming home to roost.

I sincerely hope you also defended Falwell when he said American policy was partially responsible.

Wow. Anyone else notice there was no response to prove Wright was wrong about why 9E happened? Just saw on morning news from dashboard Cop cams two different cops used their cruisers to run people down who were on foot. Gee, and both were black. Yeah, Wright is waayyyy out there to talk about racism! Oh, some more examples on divisive language: Islam is evil! Islam causes terrorism! These attacks on Wright need to get deeper than Coulter sound-bites. Fo real!

It's now racist to arrest black criminals? Do you think that the reason blacks commit more crime is because we want to arrest them more?