A re-examination of nothing

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Well then I would say to prayerfull read the Bible and let the Holy Spirit lead.

Which one? The one what seems to come from God because it ratifies legalism or the one what seems to come from God because it ratifies love? The one what seems to come from God because it opposes or the one what seems to come from God because it affirms? The one what seems to come from God because it backs it into a corner and FORCES it to bes swallowsy them poisons or the one what seems to come from God because it holds out a hand with reassurance it bes not condemnsy?

You have done a fine job of messing with everyone's minds all these centuries with these maddening crazymaking double binds and double standards, convoluted conflations calling smacking and scathing "love" and compassion and gentleness some type of "weakness" or "coddling", something to therefore be despised. You humans have buried and obfuscated the Light of the very God you claim to worship and revere whilst holding forth your pathetic lanterns trimmed with the fat of the slain as its substitute. Now your chickens shall all come home to roost, all ye whats readsy them wordings here... TIME IS for you all bes facing up what you have done to Us. Measure your necks and ready the millstones. Hear o heavens and bear witness to this moment. Hear o earth and bend shape to this pronouncement. Hear o nations and hang your heads in shame.

 

[davedjy]

All scripture that speaks to avoiding sinful thoughts, lust, etc pertain here. Stinkin' thinkin' is verboten!

One does not need to have thoughts at all, and you have failed to supply us with the Specific Scriptural reference that it's sin.

 

[Floatingaxe]

One does not need to have thoughts at all, and you have failed to supply us with the Specific Scriptural reference that it's sin.

Masturbation is not a robotic behaviour, so you can can the reference to the mindlessness of it!

Regarding scripture: Use your own rewritten one that refers to "masturbators". That's a good start.

 

[davedjy]

Masturbation is not a robotic behaviour, so you can can the reference to the mindlessness of it!

It does not require having "lustful thoughts".

Regarding scripture: Use your own rewritten one that refers to "masturbators". That's a good start.

You cannot use a translation of "homosexual", and then ask me to use a translation that you do not use yourself. Talk about trying to have it both ways.

My own rewritten one? No, that was the translation that was universally accepted at the time of Martin Luther. I do not claim to trust any translation of Arsenokoitai since the word is obscure and unknown.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It does not require having "lustful thoughts".




You cannot use a translation of "homosexual", and then ask me to use a translation that you do not use yourself. Talk about trying to have it both ways.

My own rewritten one? No, that was the translation that was universally accepted at the time of Martin Luther. I do not claim to trust any translation of Arsenokoitai since the word is obscure and unknown.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Which one? The one what seems to come from God because it ratifies legalism or the one what seems to come from God because it ratifies love? The one what seems to come from God because it opposes or the one what seems to come from God because it affirms? The one what seems to come from God because it backs it into a corner and FORCES it to bes swallowsy them poisons or the one what seems to come from God because it holds out a hand with reassurance it bes not condemnsy?

You have done a fine job of messing with everyone's minds all these centuries with these maddening crazymaking double binds and double standards, convoluted conflations calling smacking and scathing "love" and compassion and gentleness some type of "weakness" or "coddling", something to therefore be despised. You humans have buried and obfuscated the Light of the very God you claim to worship and revere whilst holding forth your pathetic lanterns trimmed with the fat of the slain as its substitute. Now your chickens shall all come home to roost, all ye whats readsy them wordings here... TIME IS for you all bes facing up what you have done to Us. Measure your necks and ready the millstones. Hear o heavens and bear witness to this moment. Hear o earth and bend shape to this pronouncement. Hear o nations and hang your heads in shame.

Mark 8:32-33
32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

 

[Chaplain David]

WHERE? Show ONE scripture which directly cites masturbation either by name or by description and calls it sin or sexual immorality or any such thing. JUST ONE! IF the proof bes in scripture then surely you can find ONE scripture?

And if not, you will need to somehow account for the glaring omission thereof IN the face of the fact of very clear and present meticulous careful attention to detailing of all other sexual taboos.


That bes a cop out. No one has the right or place to judge others concerning what they believesy and/or do not, nor does any have any right to claim someone does not believe God or scripture simply because they do not accept human extrapolations upon it as the equivalent thereof. When you makesy them contentions something bes from the word of God it expects to see SCRIPTURE stating it, not needing to be explained by them humans.


But it bes less a waste of energy to try to tear down and discredit any what don't think as you do on the subject? Please. It asks for ONE scripture what speaks specifically about masturbation. How hard can that be?

When I said I don't have the energy I mean just that. I am recovering from leukemia, chronic fatigue syndrome, hepatitis c, and a host of other illnesses praise be to God and I have very little if any productive energy on some days. This is one of those days. But I will give you my take on this subject later.

I would like to ask that if we have an interchange about the subject that you speak american english and not the dialect you speak a lot on the forum.

I have difficulty understanding it and am a bit dyslexic with some slowdown of cognitive function when I'm extremely fatigued. So could you do that please?

 

[davedjy]

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Mark 8:32-33
32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Does not even fit the situation. Perhaps mental masturbation bes the sin.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Mark 8:32-33
32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Luke 4:31-37
Then Jesus went to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and taught there in the synagogue every Sabbath day. There, too, the people were amazed at his teaching, for he spoke with authority.

Once when he was in the synagogue, a man possessed by a demon—an evil spirit—began shouting at Jesus, “Go away! Why are you interfering with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One sent from God!” (They are even in the churches--religious spirits full of lies...but they react to Jesus Christ when confronted with Him!)
Jesus cut him short. “Be quiet! Come out of the man,” he ordered. At that, the demon threw the man to the floor as the crowd watched; then it came out of him without hurting him further. Amazed, the people exclaimed, “What authority and power this man’s words possess! Even evil spirits obey him, and they flee at his command!” The news about Jesus spread through every village in the entire region.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

When I said I don't have the energy I mean just that. I am recovering from leukemia, chronic fatigue syndrome, hepatitis c, and a host of other illnesses praise be to God and I have very little if any productive energy on some days.

Then you have its apologies. It did not know that you suffered so many sicknesses and thinksy you to bes meaning merely in the common vernacular as in "waste of time" etc. used for a put down.

I would like to ask that if we have an interchange about the subject that you speak american english and not the dialect you speak a lot on the forum.

[bible]Mark 5:3-4[/bible]
It wants no straps.

I have difficulty understanding it and am a bit dyslexic with some slowdown of cognitive function when I'm extremely fatigued. So could you do that please?

It does sympathise but it has its limitations as well what bes not easily expressed nor translated into your humanspeak concepts. Bes there room for both? If there bes room for both, perhaps we can meetsy in them middles somewhere. Bes worksy together, not just one-way one-sided.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Luke 4:31-37

some can actually hit the dartboard at least....

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

[bible]Luke 4:41[/bible]

OK, but WHY???
What does Them knowsy what He bes have to do with anything?

 

[Floatingaxe]

[bible]Luke 4:41[/bible]

OK, but WHY???
What does Them knowsy what He bes have to do with anything?

Demons know who the Son of God is, and they know Jesus' authority. They come under Him quickly when encountering Him. They know He has all power and dominion over them and they are painfully powerless in His presence.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

OK but why dids He not want Them saying who He bes? Any special reason?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No, only heterosexuals, the norm, the way we were all created.

Heterosexuals are the norm, no one denies this. However, we are not all created as heterosexuals.

God created us in His image and in His design--heterosexuals, created to unite in marriage bond with the opposite gender...ONLY.

Chapter and verse? Or did you just make this up to suit your agenda?

His original creation is perfect, but Satan messed it up and introduced perversion into it. Homosexuality is his doing not God's.

Chapter and verse? Oh wait, I'm guessing you just made this up too?

Normally, means He created men and women to desire each other without deviation. Abnormal desire comes from sin--deviation.

No, normal means the most frequently occuring within a statistical curve. Abnormal, in the sense you are using it, indicates pathology, but there is nothing pathological about homosexuality.

Heterosexuality is NORMAL in the sense that the majority of people are heterosexual. But homosexuality is no more "ab"normal than left handers, redheads, or men, all of who make up minorities of the human population. Indeed, by the way you use the word normal, anyone who isn't a right handed Chinese person is "abnormal".

No, not including homosexual "spouses". That is against God. He doesn't deny an outlet to His children who love Him and obey Him. But He does deny people to fornicate and commit lewd and deviant acts with one another. The result of such behaviour is a debased mind. A mind that doesn't know right from wrong...hence the debate section here in CF just for debating debased homosexual thinkers.

I note that, despite the venom of your comment, you can't actually tell me what, specifically, is WRONG with the idea of homosexual spouses, other than that you don't like it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

OK but why dids He not want Them saying who He bes? Any special reason?

They don't want to be confronted and reminded of Jesus Christ. the gulf between them is great and they know where they are headed. He might send them there early, and they don't want to go. Plus their own "bosses" would have their hides if they failed their missions and got intercepted by righteousness.

 

[Chaplain David]

I promised Moriah that I would elaborate on my thoughts about masturbation and sin. This message regards masturbation in a heterosexual marriage. It can either involve self masturbation or masturbation of your husband or wife. The reason I am addressing one group at a time is because any replies using different groups could be confusing. I hope that I do not exceed our morality rules by this post. If so, I pray that someone tells me or a mod picks it up and deletes it. My commentary follows.

Mirriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines masturbation as erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies.

Personally I believe that masturbation in a heterosexual relationship can be normal, healthy and pleasurable. From a psychological point of view, masturbation is only harmful if it interferes with, detracts from, or becomes a substitute for intercourse.

However, masturbation can become sinful. If a marriage partner fantasizes about anyone besides the person he or she is married to during masturbation then I believe they have committed the sin of adultery as Jesus expanded the definition below in the book of Matthew.

Matt 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

It is logical to deduce that fantasizing about another person than one's marital partner is another way of 'looking at them' so I think that the above scripture applies. And as both Old and New Testament law states, adultery is sin and we are not to partake of it.

An interesting, expanded commentary is given by Jamieson, Fausset & Brown. They state, "We are not to suppose, from the word here used - "adultery" - that our Lord means to restrict the breach of this commandment to married persons, or to criminal sexual intercourse with such. The expressions, "whosoever looketh," and "looketh upon a woman," seem clearly to extend the range of this commandment to all forms of impurity, and the counsels which follow-as they most certainly were intended for all, whether married or unmarried-seem to confirm this..."

God bless,

 

[ChaliceThunder]

God never made anyone homosexual.

He made ME gay.

Anyone else want to give some personal testimony?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

He made ME gay.

Anyone else want to give some personal testimony?

He made me homosexual.

Not only did he make me homosexual, but he loves me just the way I am, and blessed me with the most wonderful partner ever.