Is Harry Potter Evil? (3)

[Tenebrae]

Where is there discourtesy--in "stinkin'"?? Sorry. It isn't the bible.

I still fail to see any evidence of a CHRISTIAN theme in HP.

I am able and free to judge all things in Christ.

Sorry to state the obvious, however if you havent read the books its no wonder you dont see any evidence of christian themes in Harry Potter

 

[Floatingaxe]

Sorry to state the obvious, however if you havent read the books its no wonder you dont see any evidence of christian themes in Harry Potter

Please do as I ask you. I wish to know what the references to Jesus Christ and the Christian life are in HP.

 

[DarkLegend28]

Yeah. I am sure... But some people like to believe that Lily's love for her son and sacrificing herself so that he may live is a christian theme. That it was by love that he was saved. But it depends on your take on it.

Did anyone see this?

 

[Floatingaxe]

I never saw that, thanks.

However, while it is a nice moral aspect, it does not refer to Christ.

 

[CaDan]

Closing for clean up.

 

[CaDan]

Re-opened with some derailing posts moved elsewhere and locked.

 

[CaDan]

Open for business.

Let's keep the personal stuff and attacks and things out of here.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

What does being drunk have to do with being homosexual?
There are homosexuals that refrain from booze and illegal drugs for that matter just as there are heterosexuals who partake...

Drunkeness is a sin, homosexuality is a sin. So it doesn't surprise me if a Church that supports SAME SEX MARRIAGE also supports other forms of sinful activities. It's a cultural thing. Church's that support HP are following the cultural trend, same as the gay thing, they're not following Jesus. Rather they are following cultural trends.

 

[DarkLegend28]

I never saw that, thanks.

However, while it is a nice moral aspect, it does not refer to Christ.

So if it does not include the words God, Jesus, or Christ, then it's automatically ruled out? While it is a nice moral aspect, where else do you see it? Love being the "old magic" that saved Harry? And by old magic, it's not referring to sorcery and witchcraft. But like I said, it depends on what you take from it. If you already have the mindset that it's evil, you won't see any good in it.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

So if it does not include the words God, Jesus, or Christ, then it's automatically ruled out? While it is a nice moral aspect, where else do you see it? Love being the "old magic" that saved Harry? And by old magic, it's not referring to sorcery and witchcraft. But like I said, it depends on what you take from it. If you already have the mindset that it's evil, you won't see any good in it.

I don't see how the parent's death defending themselves and their son and their love somehow having power to thwart their son's death is much of an allegory of Christ's sacrificial death which bought us eternal life through the washing of his blood and the power of his rising.

 

[The Lady Kate]

I don't see how the parent's death defending themselves and their son and their love somehow having power to thwart their son's death is much of an allegory of Christ's sacrificial death which bought us eternal life through the washing of his blood and the power of his rising.

Seems perfectly obvious to everyone else... the theme is one of sacrifice: One willingly accepts death as an act of love so that others live.

What's not to see?

 

[DarkLegend28]

I don't see how the parent's death defending themselves and their son and their love somehow having power to thwart their son's death is much of an allegory of Christ's sacrificial death which bought us eternal life through the washing of his blood and the power of his rising.

Well.. Voldemorts magic no longer worked on Harry from that point. So it wasn't just a sacrifice. I'm not talking about all of the technicalities here. I've always thought that sacrifice was a christian principle.. But whatever floats your boat, eh? I guess it's not worth trying to see the good in something after all.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Seems perfectly obvious to everyone else... the theme is one of sacrifice: One willingly accepts death as an act of love so that others live.

What's not to see?

Everyone? I'm pretty sure most parents would die for their children. OK, good, loving parents. How is that an allegory of salvation? Jesus death, bought us eternal salvation. His blood washes us clean of our sins. Whereas the parents death bought Harry a reprieve not salvation.

Dying for someone is certainly a noble act no doubt. However, how is this symbolic of the death of Christ for the salvation of humanity?

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Well.. Voldemorts magic no longer worked on Harry from that point. So it wasn't just a sacrifice. I'm not talking about all of the technicalities here. I've always thought that sacrifice was a christian principle.. But whatever floats your boat, eh? I guess it's not worth trying to see the good in something after all.

Sacrifice for others is a Christian principle. I just fail to see this instance as symbolic of the death of Jesus.

Jesus sacrificial death is meaningless without his victory over death and the blood which cleanses us from our sins. Our being reunited with the Father through his work. What was purchased for Harry? Time? That's not to demean the sacrifice but, they are hardly similar in scope or meaning.

 

[Danyc]

Hardly. It's the spirit of antichrist.

If what you say is true, the spirit of the antichrist is in every work of literature that a person is immediately intrigued by, correct?

This is basically what you're saying here.

I also find it strange that you can know the spirit of a book without having even read a single word of it.

 

[DarkLegend28]

Sacrifice for others is a Christian principle. I just fail to see this instance as symbolic of the death of Jesus.

Jesus sacrificial death is meaningless without his victory over death and the blood which cleanses us from our sins. Our being reunited with the Father through his work. What was purchased for Harry? Time? That's not to demean the sacrifice but, they are hardly similar in scope or meaning.

You aren't getting the point... but I dont think you would since you've never read the books or much less, seen the movies I am sure. I am not trying to equate it with Jesus' sacrifice at all. Ofcourse it wouldn't be the same thing because the book isn't trying to teach the story of Jesus. It's trying to tell a fiction story. And besides that, it's not all terrible. All of the "bad" stuff is done by the bad guys. But Harry is just a movie magic wizard. A hollywood deviation. Now if that is what is causing children to take an interest in witchcraft, then I really feel sorry for them because that isn't what it is about at all.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

You aren't getting the point... but I dont think you would since you've never read the books or much less, seen the movies I am sure. I am not trying to equate it with Jesus' sacrifice at all. Ofcourse it wouldn't be the same thing because the book isn't trying to teach the story of Jesus. It's trying to tell a fiction story. And besides that, it's not all terrible. All of the "bad" stuff is done by the bad guys. But Harry is just a movie magic wizard. A hollywood deviation. Now if that is what is causing children to take an interest in witchcraft, then I really feel sorry for them because that isn't what it is about at all.

That was a strange turn.

We were discussing an allegory. I didn't suggest that depiction in the book was leading kids to the occult. I was suggesting it doesn't seem allegorical to the sacrifice of Christ.

Potter's father dies defending her and Harry. Potter's mother then dies (though given the opportunity to save herself) protecting Harry. This is a sacrifice. A noble action. I just don't see it as allegorical to what Christ did.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I suppose for me to see an allegory there would need to be more similarities between Potter's mother and Jesus. Her dying for Harry was certainly a sacrifice but not so much different to other such sacrifices to connect it to the death of Christ.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Now if Harry dies defending humanity and comes back from the dead defeating the Dark Lord then I see the attempt at making him to be like Christ. I see the allegory in that. I'd still not be pro Potter.

 

[DarkLegend28]

Lol, ofcourse you would see that one. I think the author was intending on sending the reader through a suspense trip, not trying to make him out to be like Jesus.