Is Harry Potter Evil? (3)

[JWNEWMAN]

That may be applicable if Harry Potter was a textbook; a textbook presents facts and studying another source for that textbook would present you with a good idea of what is going on and what it means. Harry Potter is not a textbook, though. You have to understand that you cannot get the context of a book, without the book. You can read essays all day if you want to, but you aren't going to understand the psychological aspects of the scenes you find to be so disturbing, until you read them.

I'm not interested in the psychology of the characters. My only interest is in the occult presented in the books.

You would have a clearer picture regarding facts about the books, but you will not have a clearer picture concerning the books themselves. We were, lately, talking about the damaging effects that the murder, the torture, the mind-invasion has and so on and so forth. But Lexicon will tell you the facts, or sometimes speculation, concerning what is in the books. It does not portray the context in which readers view it. They're not interested in that. To see what psychological aspects there are, one must go to the source: The books, all seven of them. I recommend reading them.

Why all this about psychology of the characters or setting of the books? I'd rather have an clear analytical view of the books then one bogged down with concern for characters. Besides I simply don't have time to read all the books or sections of the books that are concerned with building the characters.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

JW, bias and credibility don't go together.

There is no doubt of my bias regarding HP. That is hardly in question. Points that I make are in favor of protecting children. That's my concern. A concern I believe that is gaining momentum. I don't hate Harry Potter. I love children they remind me of God's goodness. Especially children who are free from anxiety, stress and fear. I see God in them.

 

[DarkLegend28]

There is no doubt of my bias regarding HP. That is hardly in question. Points that I make are in favor of protecting children. That's my concern. A concern I believe that is gaining momentum. I don't hate Harry Potter. I love children they remind me of God's goodness. Especially children who are free from anxiety, stress and fear. I see God in them.

Right... but you would be more persuasive after looking at the primary material. Just that alone helps.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The Antichrist is an author? Read your Bible... he's a politician.

You read your bible. There is the spirit of antichrist in the world. Need I quote the passage?

 

[DarkLegend28]

You read your bible. There is the spirit of antichrist in the world. Need I quote the passage?

Right.. what about all the christian boys and girls that see a christian theme in the book and are strengthened by it? What then?

 

[Floatingaxe]

1 John 2:22
And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

1 John 4:3
But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Right.. what about all the christian boys and girls that see a christian theme in the book and are strengthened by it? What then?

There is no Christian theme in those books. Whatever strengthening you allude to, if there is ANY, would be perhaps some sort of meagre and fleeting moral resolve concerning the strength of good over evil.

It has no power to influence anyone toward good or God.

 

[Tenebrae]

There is no Christian theme in those books. Whatever strengthening you allude to, if there is ANY, would be perhaps some sort of meagre and fleeting moral resolve concerning the strength of good over evil.

It has no power to influence anyone toward good or God.

have you read the books?


If you havent, you would not be qualified to make such a statement

 

[DarkLegend28]

There is no Christian theme in those books. Whatever strengthening you allude to, if there is ANY, would be perhaps some sort of meagre and fleeting moral resolve concerning the strength of good over evil.

It has no power to influence anyone toward good or God.

Yeah. I am sure... But some people like to believe that Lily's love for her son and sacrificing herself so that he may live is a christian theme. That it was by love that he was saved. But it depends on your take on it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

have you read the books?


If you havent, you would not be qualified to make such a statement

Please tell us about the references to Jesus Christ as Lord and as the source of goodness in the many stories. I would love to be proven wrong in this case.

 

[Tenebrae]

Please tell us about the references to Jesus Christ as Lord and as the source of goodness in the many stories. I would love to be proven wrong in this case.

Answer my question and I will consider it

 

[CaDan]

1 John 2:22
And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

1 John 4:3
But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

More indictments of proto-gnosticism.

But carry on with your proof-texting.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Answer my question and I will consider it

I have not read one stinking word. Nor will I. I admitted so, 2 threads ago!

Now, do your stuff!

 

[Gwenyfur]

KNOCK IT OFF!!!​

Personal attacks, sniping, baiting, flaming, insults and snide remarks ​

STOP HERE AND NOW​

any further violations over a fictional book, with fictional characters, in fictional literature and this thread ​

WILL BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED!!!​

 

[united4Peace]

There is no Christian theme in those books. Whatever strengthening you allude to, if there is ANY, would be perhaps some sort of meagre and fleeting moral resolve concerning the strength of good over evil.

It has no power to influence anyone toward good or God.

Actually there are lots of Christian themes in the book...
many Churches will use the book with teenagers...

http://www.connieneal.com/product-pages/the-gospel-according-to-harry-potter.htm

http://www.arcamax.com/unitedchurchofchrist

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572107/20071017/index.jhtml

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2092321.ece

http://www.thegoodbookstall.org.uk/section.php?52

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Right... but you would be more persuasive after looking at the primary material. Just that alone helps.

More persuasive? Not to people like Danyc who I'm not trying to persuade. Christian parents and other parents concerned about their children and the possible negative influences of such material will give an ear.

I can honestly say I've studied the content of these books as it relates to the subject matter if I thoroughly review the Lexicon. Which will give me a more pinpoint view of the material. Have you looked at the Lexicon? It's a huge volume. I couldn't possibly gather all that information on my own.

I concede your point. However, I don't have time to read or compile the information needed to debate the matter. It's already been done for me by Potter fans.

 

[united4Peace]

Doesn't the UCC promote same sex marriage? If so, not a Christian organization.

Not too sure....UCC is american so I dont know much about them but regardless if they do or not its not up to you whether they are Christian...its up to God...and since they are Christ followers they are Christian...

Peace

 

[Tenebrae]

I have not read one stinking word. Nor will I. I admitted so, 2 threads ago!

Now, do your stuff!

If you cant iunteract with me using a basic modicum of courtesy then we are done.

I have better things to do than get grounched at by you


Which pretty much makes the point, if you havent read the source material it does not make you qualified to judge on what themes may or may not be present in the book

 

[Floatingaxe]

If you cant iunteract with me using a basic modicum of courtesy then we are done.

I have better things to do than get grounched at by you


Which pretty much makes the point, if you havent read the source material it does not make you qualified to judge on what themes may or may not be present in the book

Where is there discourtesy--in "stinkin'"?? Sorry. It isn't the bible.

I still fail to see any evidence of a CHRISTIAN theme in HP.

I am able and free to judge all things in Christ.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Answer my question and I will consider it

I am waiting, friend.