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Scientific hoax: Piltdown man was a fake

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It's bad enough when people make bold pronouncements that are incorrect when it comes to biology, it's even worse when they make them demonstrating an ignorance of history but it's simply the worst when they make them and use bad grammar.

Your incorrect question should have read "Was Darwin the original Eugenicist?"

And the answer is no. The Spartans were practicing eugenics thousands of years before Darwin was even born, much less published Origin and Descent or when Creationists started lying to suggest that his ideas had as much of a contribution to eugenics as they try and suggest it did.

Learn some history before spouting your ignorance.

As to the OP, if anyone wishes to check the formal debates subforum, I faced Mark Kennedy on whether Piltdown should be cited or avoided by Creationists. The consensus of readers was that they should. I won't bother restating the details here, but if you check out the debate, you will see why Piltdown was an abberation, not a magic bullet that kills human evolution.
What is the proof of evolution?

What consensus? This will not be decide by the ballot.

It has been admitted before by evolutionists on this forum, that evolution has no foundation.

It starts with a fish becoming a frog, a frog becoming, a hippo, a hippo an elephant, an elephant a monkey, a monkey a man.

Some of you are reporting me to moderators, yet you will not answer my questions.

Evolution has to start with life, but what caused non life to become life?


It is time for another altar call.

Some of you have noted how limited evolution is? I want you to meet God because he created you in his image and his own likeness.

Pray with me, thak you Jesus for dying on the cross for my sins I ask you to come by your Holy Spirit and enter me heart.

Shut you eyes for a minute,


Viola, is it good to be in the presence of God?


Did I tell you God speaks? Now read 1 cor 14 and aask God to give you the gift of prophecy. Shut your eyes, What do you see and hear?
 
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What is the proof of evolution?

What consensus? This will not be decide by the ballot.

It has been admitted before by evolutionists on this forum, that evolution has no foundation.

It starts with a fish becaoming a frog, a frog becoming a hippo, a hippo an elephant, an elephant a monkey, a monkey a man.

Some of you are reporting me to moderators, yet you will not answer my questions.

Evolution has to start with life, but what caused non life to become life?


It is time for another altar call.

Some of you have noted how limited evolution is? I want you to meet God because he created you in his image and his own likeness.

Pray with me, thak you Jesus for dying on the cross for my sins I ask you to come by your Holy Spirit and enter me heart.

Shut you eyes for a minute,


Viola, is it good to be in the presence of God?
Everyone here has provided the evidence for evolution. You are too blind to see it.

Evolution is the theory of common descent, not the origin of life.

We win.
 
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Everyone here has provided the evidence for evolution. You are too blind to see it.

Evolution is the theory of common descent, not the origin of life.

We win.
You can hardly explain what your theory is and you wish to claim victory?
 
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Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention.[1] Throughout history, eugenics has been regarded by its various advocates as a social responsibility, an altruistic stance of a society, meant to create healthier and more intelligent people, to save resources, and lessen human suffering. More controversially, some, such as the Nazi regime in Germany, used eugenics as a pretext for racial discrimination.
Earlier proposed means of achieving these goals focused on selective breeding, while modern ones focus on prenatal testing and screening, genetic counseling, birth control, in vitro fertilization, and genetic engineering. Opponents argue that eugenics is immoral and is based on, or is itself, pseudoscience[citation needed]. Historically, eugenics has been used as a justification for coercive state-sponsored discrimination and human rights violations, such as forced sterilization of persons who are claimed to have genetic defects, the killing of the institutionalized population and, in some cases, outright genocide of races perceived as inferior or undesirable.
The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1865, drawing on the recent work of his cousin Charles Darwin. From its inception eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Margaret Sanger. G. K. Chesterton was against the philosophy of eugenics and he expresses this in his book, Eugenics and Other Evils. [citation needed] Eugenics became an academic discipline at many colleges and universities. Funding was provided by prestigious sources such as the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Institution of Washington, and the Harriman family.[2] Three International Eugenics Conferences presented a global venue for eugenicists with meetings in 1912 in London, and in 1921 and 1932 in New York. Eugenics' scientific reputation started to tumble in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin began incorporating eugenic rhetoric into the racial policies of Nazi Germany.
Since the postwar period, both the public and the scientific communities have associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, such as enforced racial hygiene, human experimentation, and the extermination of undesired population groups. However, developments in genetic, genomic, and reproductive technologies at the end of the 20th century have raised many new questions and concerns about what exactly constitutes the meaning of eugenics and what its ethical and moral status is in the modern era.


I had to print it out, the counsin of Darwin formulated Eugenics.

Do you mean it runs in the Family?

It just gets better.

Evolution and Eugenics are lies of the serpent/ Lucifer.

God created you and me in his own likeness and image. 6000 years ago.


This evolution has to take billions of years because man has not evolve for the past 5000 years.
 
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Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention.[1] Throughout history, eugenics has been regarded by its various advocates as a social responsibility, an altruistic stance of a society, meant to create healthier and more intelligent people, to save resources, and lessen human suffering. More controversially, some, such as the Nazi regime in Germany, used eugenics as a pretext for racial discrimination.
Earlier proposed means of achieving these goals focused on selective breeding, while modern ones focus on prenatal testing and screening, genetic counseling, birth control, in vitro fertilization, and genetic engineering. Opponents argue that eugenics is immoral and is based on, or is itself, pseudoscience[citation needed]. Historically, eugenics has been used as a justification for coercive state-sponsored discrimination and human rights violations, such as forced sterilization of persons who are claimed to have genetic defects, the killing of the institutionalized population and, in some cases, outright genocide of races perceived as inferior or undesirable.
The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1865, drawing on the recent work of his cousin Charles Darwin. From its inception eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Margaret Sanger. G. K. Chesterton was against the philosophy of eugenics and he expresses this in his book, Eugenics and Other Evils. [citation needed] Eugenics became an academic discipline at many colleges and universities. Funding was provided by prestigious sources such as the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Institution of Washington, and the Harriman family.[2] Three International Eugenics Conferences presented a global venue for eugenicists with meetings in 1912 in London, and in 1921 and 1932 in New York. Eugenics' scientific reputation started to tumble in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin began incorporating eugenic rhetoric into the racial policies of Nazi Germany.
Since the postwar period, both the public and the scientific communities have associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, such as enforced racial hygiene, human experimentation, and the extermination of undesired population groups. However, developments in genetic, genomic, and reproductive technologies at the end of the 20th century have raised many new questions and concerns about what exactly constitutes the meaning of eugenics and what its ethical and moral status is in the modern era.


I had to print it out, the counsin of Darwin formulated Eugenics.

Do you mean it runs in the Family?

It just gets better.

Evolution and Eugenics are lies of the serpent/ Lucifer.

God created you and me in his own likeness and image. 6000 years ago.


This evolution has to take billions of years because man has not evolve for the past 5000 years.
So what. You just wasted your time posting absolute rubbish.

You have NOTHING. The arguments you present are lacking in a fundamentally flawed way.

We win.
 
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You can hardly explain what your theory is and you wish to claim victory?

Claim victory? No, there is no need to "Claim" victory. You just have to look at the fact that over the past 150 years evolution has become the driving force behind modern biology to see that victory happend a while ago. It's just that some have missed the memo.
 
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This evolution has to take billions of years because man has not evolve for the past 5000 years.

Hi, Speakout --- nice to meet you --- :wave:

You may find this interesting: click here
 
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You can hardly explain what your theory is and you wish to claim victory?

Just because you, unfortunately and perhaps through no fault of your own, lack the educational background and/or have not actually researched any of the subjects you think you are discussing, doesn't mean the theory, the evidence, or the consequences have not been thoroughly explained, defended, and evidenced.

You apparently don't realise it, but your poorly presented and antiquated attack on respected scientists, both historic and present day, does nothing to further your cause, and has the further unfortunate effect of making YEC look like the realm of the ignorant and untaught.
 
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I had to print it out, the counsin of Darwin formulated Eugenics.

Do you mean it runs in the Family?

It just gets better.

Evolution and Eugenics are lies of the serpent/ Lucifer.

God created you and me in his own likeness and image. 6000 years ago.


This evolution has to take billions of years because man has not evolve for the past 5000 years.

People, listen to yourselves. Speakout is not being serious. He's a troll just trying to stir the pot. Nobody can possibly be this obtuse or ignorant, and still have the mental capacity to operate a computer. Let's all have a laugh and move on to an actual discussion with substance and merit.
 
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Just because you, unfortunately and perhaps through no fault of your own, lack the educational background and/or have not actually researched any of the subjects you think you are discussing, doesn't mean the theory, the evidence, or the consequences have not been thoroughly explained, defended, and evidenced.

You apparently don't realise it, but your poorly presented and antiquated attack on respected scientists, both historic and present day, does nothing to further your cause, and has the further unfortunate effect of making YEC look like the realm of the ignorant and untaught.
Scientists are not respectable simply because they are scientists. Most people will likely not even know the name of a scientist.
 
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Scientists are not respectable simply because they are scientists. Most people will likely not even know the name of a scientist.
Lil'Nip - what's your point. Nothing?.....thought so.

You decided to post just because you had something bad to say. Nice one. That will gain you alot of respect.
 
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People, listen to yourselves. Speakout is not being serious. He's a troll just trying to stir the pot. Nobody can possibly be this obtuse or ignorant, and still have the mental capacity to operate a computer. Let's all have a laugh and move on to an actual discussion with substance and merit.

Everybody's a troll, aren't they?

I'm considered a troll, too.

Just like I'm a YEC, I'm Omphalos, or whatever else it is you guys can't decide on.
 
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Everybody's a troll, aren't they?

I'm considered a troll, too.

Just like I'm a YEC, I'm Omphalos, or whatever else it is you guys can't decide on.
I know you're not a troll and you believe in embedded age.

And I don't think that you want to be associated with Speakout considering the misinformation he's spreading.
 
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I know you're not a troll and you believe in embedded age.

And I don't think that you want to be associated with Speakout considering the misinformation he's spreading.
I agree. I do not consider AV a troll - I quite enjoy debating with AV - it does get a little tense a times though :)
 
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Scientists are not respectable simply because they are scientists.
No, they are respected because they use data to accurately tell us about the natural world and make useful and helpful contributions to our great body of knowledge about our world.

Creationists are not respectable simply because they are creationists.

Most people will likely not even know the name of a scientist.

So, who do you think more people know about, Einstein or Henry Morris? Steven Hawking or Steve Austin?

If people don't know the name of scientists, then they are ignorant. It has nothing to do with the science or scientists they are ignorant of.

I have no doubt that creationists are ignorant of much science and most scientists. Sounds like you would agree.

Most people will likely not even know the name of a creationist.
 
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I only attack scientist if they claim their philosophy or secret religion is now good science.

still no one has told us how we go from non life to life.

Maybe there was a mad scientist called Yacoub, who created the first from using voodoo. This is Nation of Islam Theology.

I apologise that I have not taken the time, to slowly show you the pervesions of the evolution theory.

My time with you has been limited, but your theory is still without foundations and most importantly logic.
 
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Everybody's a troll, aren't they?

I'm considered a troll, too.

Just like I'm a YEC, I'm Omphalos, or whatever else it is you guys can't decide on.
You aren't a troll because you actually engage other people in debate, something speakout has yet to do.
 
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I only attack scientist if they claim their philosophy or secret religion is now good science.

still no one has told us how we go from non life to life.

Maybe there was a mad scientist called Yacoub, who created the first from using voodoo. This is Nation of Islam Theology.

I apologise that I have not taken the time, to slowly show you the pervesions of the evolution theory.

My time with you has been limited, but your theory is still without foundations and most importantly logic.
That was gibberish. Let's see what it looks like after using Babelfish:
When them demand one secret religion now good science connect their philosophy I and attack the grade scientist. We from nothing life to be thin in life and to anyone degree we are talking yet peel. It writes the first pier friendship magic possibly from use and as the Yacoub which it creates calls and the scientist who goes mad it was. This Islam kyo is the nation of theology. To be slow in order to be visible going out hour it was not caught, I, apologize the pervesions of evolution objection in you. Your and my hour was restricted, your objection with foundation is most important but and logic without yet it is. Maybe there was a mad scientist called Yacoub and who created the first from using voodoo. This is Nation of Islam Theology. I apologise that I have not taken the time and to slowly show you the pervesions of the evolution theory. My time with you has been limited and but your theory is still without foundations and most importantly logic.

Well, it didn't make it any worse, just wordier.
 
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