Why aren't you a Christian?

[Ramona]

Mling wins the internet today. I just wish I could rep her more.

 

[Mling]

Mling wins the internet today. I just wish I could rep her more.

I just want to thank all the little people who helped me get this far. Al Gore, I couldn't have done it without you! All you geeks who got wedgied through high-school and now own your own islands...thanks guys!

 

[Ramona]

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Because there are wars that must be fought until Jesus returns.
If we dont skill 1000's of terrorists they will kill millions of innocents.
And if you think you can argue this fact your are silly.

So you are saying this is not open for discussion? You are not willing to answer the questions I have?

 

[MaxtheMarxist]

What biblical prophecies have been fulfilled?
There are hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled from different religions and cultures.

Again, the prophecies that have been fulfilled are Old Testament ones mostly, and even those "fulfillments" haven't been total or clear, or are hotly debated.

Christianity still has no more weight than its Islamic or Judaic counterparts.

 

[Carey]

In keeping with the thread of this OP, what you have just written also plays into why I'm not a Christian. There are a several reasons why:
1. For me, the ONLY Holy Book directly written by the hand of God can ONLY be found with in life itself. All other books have passed through the hand of man. As such the ONLY place where wisdom was directly handed down from God can ONLY be found with in life.

2. In my study of the source of the text that today we find in the Bible, we see that none of the authors ever saw Jesus or heard Him speak. What they wrote down was from what they heard in the oral stories that circulated. So we have no first hand accounts of Jesus. Nor do we have text that is "written word directly from the creator", as you say. Wisdom can be found in the Bible, yes. But as for Christianity and what I see, that wisdom seems to be rarely followed.
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[FONT=&quot]3. There are other early Christian text of those ancient times that point towards a different belief about Jesus than what we see in the text that were chosen for the Bible. As such, we can see that those first followers of Jesus did not have any single belief about Him. [/FONT]

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Hmmm do you believe there is a creator of all that is??

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What biblical prophecies have been fulfilled?
There are hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled from different religions and cultures.

Again, the prophecies that have been fulfilled are Old Testament ones mostly, and even those "fulfillments" haven't been total or clear, or are hotly debated.

Christianity still has no more weight than its Islamic or Judaic counterparts.

Hi. If JESUS was the Jew's Messiah as both Christian and Muslims believe, the only thing left is the second part of Isaiah 61:2 "Day of Vengeance".

I believe that has already been fulfilled so I really don't know of any prophecies left to fulfill.

Isaiah 61:2 To call Year of good pleasure of YHWH,...

John 19:28 After this, the Jesus having perceived that already All has-been-finished/tetelestai <5055> (5769), that may be being finished/teleiwqh <5048> (5686) the Scripture/grafh <1124>, He is saying "I am thirsting/diyw <1372> (5719)

Isaiah 61:2............And a Day of Vengeance of our Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

Zeph 1:14 The great Day of YHWH [is] near; near and hastens quickly. The noise of the Day of YHWH is bitter; There the mighty men shall cry out. 15 That day [is] a day of wrath, A day of trouble and distress, A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of trumpet and alarm Against the fortified cities And against the high towers. 17 "I will bring distress upon men, And they shall walk like blind men, Because they have sinned against YHWH; Their blood shall be poured out like dust, And their flesh like dung." 18 Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them In the Day of YHWH's wrath; But the whole land shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy, For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land.

 

[Nimrauko]

Some Christians seem to think that we non-Christians are inferior to them for having rejected Jesus. Really it doesn't make us weaker or dumber or lazier, just different - so let's clear up some misconceptions.

Why aren't YOU a Christian?

I am not christian for many many many reasons.
Firstly and chiefly amongst those reasons simply is I do not believe, based on prophecies in Torah, that Christ was the messiah. Amongst other things, lets pretend that Christ was the messiah, how can one call themselves a christian when their faith is so fractured. Islam and Judaism, we have it right. We have few "Sects". In Islam your are primarily either Sunni or Shia (I may be wrong on the spellings) and in Judaism there are three main groups. Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. If Christianity every hopes to survive they will have to become united, but there is nothing in this world that would make me want to be a christian. That is why im not christian and IS why I am Jewish

 

[Mling]

I am not christian for many many many reasons.
Firstly and chiefly amongst those reasons simply is I do not believe, based on prophecies in Torah, that Christ was the messiah. Amongst other things, lets pretend that Christ was the messiah, how can one call themselves a christian when their faith is so fractured. Islam and Judaism, we have it right. We have few "Sects". In Islam your are primarily either Sunni or Shia (I may be wrong on the spellings) and in Judaism there are three main groups. Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. If Christianity every hopes to survive they will have to become united, but there is nothing in this world that would make me want to be a christian. That is why im not christian and IS why I am Jewish

Yes, that's a much more important question--why is a person what they are?

Question on your signature: How do you translate the first statement? Specifically, can "echad" be interpreted as "alone," rather than "one"? I ask, because I've seen it translated as "Hear, O Israel: The Lord your god, The Lord, is one."
And while that seems like the strictest, most accurate translation, it seems to make more sense, to me, as "....The Lord is your god, The Lord alone."

I've wanted to get the opinion of somebody whose Hebrew is better than mine for a while. And, really, I'm just assuming that your Hebrew is better than mine because you have a Hebrew sig. Let me know if I'm being presumptuous.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am not christian for many many many reasons.
Firstly and chiefly amongst those reasons simply is I do not believe, based on prophecies in Torah, that Christ was the messiah. Amongst other things, lets pretend that Christ was the messiah, how can one call themselves a christian when their faith is so fractured. Islam and Judaism, we have it right. We have few "Sects". In Islam your are primarily either Sunni or Shia (I may be wrong on the spellings) and in Judaism there are three main groups. Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. If Christianity every hopes to survive they will have to become united, but there is nothing in this world that would make me want to be a christian. That is why im not christian and IS why I am Jewish

I can understand that. Shalom

http://www.christianforums.com/t5800024-the-man-in-zech-823.html

http://www.scripture4all.org/
Hebrew word-for-word translation taken from this Interlinear

Zechariah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which They-shall-take-fast/hold, Ten Mortals/Men/0582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of/03671 kanaph a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Judean/Y@huwdiy, to-say 'We-are-going with-You that We-hear Elohiym with-You'.

 

[Nimrauko]

Shema (Hear) Yisrael (Israel) Adonai (Lord) Eloheinu (God) Adonai (Lord) Echad (One or Alone)

So a rough translation would Yield: Hear Israel, Lord god Lord Alone. Echad can mean both One or Alone. It depends on where it appears, and really there is little difference between one and alone in this context.

Yes, that's a much more important question--why is a person what they are?

Question on your signature: How do you translate the first statement? Specifically, can "echad" be interpreted as "alone," rather than "one"? I ask, because I've seen it translated as "Hear, O Israel: The Lord your god, The Lord, is one."
And while that seems like the strictest, most accurate translation, it seems to make more sense, to me, as "....The Lord is your god, The Lord alone."

I've wanted to get the opinion of somebody whose Hebrew is better than mine for a while. And, really, I'm just assuming that your Hebrew is better than mine because you have a Hebrew sig. Let me know if I'm being presumptuous.

 

[dlamberth]

Hmmm do you believe there is a creator of all that is??

All that I know for sure is that I’m aware of a presence of creating force with in life itself. And, that creative force, I see it's presence everywhere I look. I also know that I’m aware of the power found with in compassionate love. I experience the truth and power of both of those things. To take this one step further, the point where the creative force with in life AND the power of Love and Compassion meet and become one, that is where I give my thanks and blessings to. At that point, everything is whole, united and One.

Perhaps you can see that I’m not able to separate God from creation like Christians are able to do. I simply don’t know how to do that. Where I see and experience my Beloved God is with in life. So with in life is all of the wisdom anyone could ever know or even hope to know. It's the ONLY Holy Book directly written by the hand of God.

Does that answer your question?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Shema (Hear) Yisrael (Israel) Adonai (Lord) Eloheinu (God) Adonai (Lord) Echad (One or Alone)

So a rough translation would Yield: Hear Israel, Lord god Lord Alone. Echad can mean both One or Alone. It depends on where it appears, and really there is little difference between one and alone in this context.

I usually like to use "YHWH" for the All Existing One.

Btw, have you checked out this Engish/Hebrew interlinear? Shalom.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Deuteronomy 6:4 `Hear! Yisra'el YHWH 'Elohiym-of-us YHWH one/only;

Jesus also proclaims that to the Jews in Mark 12:29 and I put the Greek text up for it from here [Tex-Rec]

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Mark 12:29 The yet Jesus answering him--`That first/foremost of all the commandments: 'Be you Hearing, Israel, Lord, the God of us, Lord one is;

(TEX-REC) Mark 12:29 o <3588> {THE} de <1161> {YET} ihsouV <2424> {JESUS} apekriqh <611> (5662) {ANSWERING} autw <846> {HIM} oti <3754> {THAT} prwth <4413> {FORMOST} paswn <3956> {OF ALL} twn <3588> {THE} entolwn <1785> {COMMANDMENTS } akoue <191> (5720) {HEAR,} israhl <2474> {ISRAEL:} kurioV <2962> {LORD} o <3588> {THE} qeoV <2316> {GOD} hmwn <2257> {OF US} kurioV <2962> {LORD} eiV <1520> {ONE} estin <2076> (5748) {IS.}

 

[Carey]

Yes, that's a much more important question--why is a person what they are?

Question on your signature: How do you translate the first statement? Specifically, can "echad" be interpreted as "alone," rather than "one"? I ask, because I've seen it translated as "Hear, O Israel: The Lord your god, The Lord, is one."
And while that seems like the strictest, most accurate translation, it seems to make more sense, to me, as "....The Lord is your god, The Lord alone."

I've wanted to get the opinion of somebody whose Hebrew is better than mine for a while. And, really, I'm just assuming that your Hebrew is better than mine because you have a Hebrew sig. Let me know if I'm being presumptuous.

you may like this site www.hearoisrael.org

Shalom

carey

 

[Mling]

you may like this site www.hearoisrael.org

Shalom

carey

ok

 

[Carey]

What biblical prophecies have been fulfilled?
There are hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled from different religions and cultures.

Again, the prophecies that have been fulfilled are Old Testament ones mostly, and even those "fulfillments" haven't been total or clear, or are hotly debated.

Christianity still has no more weight than its Islamic or Judaic counterparts.

Hre are a few soursces for ya.

I did the leg work when I was in doubt.

If you really want to know

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Carey
you may like this site www.hearoisrael.org

Shalom

carey

ok

Most Christians and Muslims are still waiting for JESUS to come back to the Jews in the future and they can't even prove Jesus came to them the first time!!!

Actually I wouldn't mind a Jew giving me their view of Zech 14:5.

It is puzzling to me the way it is worded and I am assuming this event happens after the Jewish Messiah comes and preaches.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Zech 14:5 And you flee ravine of mountains, that He shall touch ravine of mountains to 'Atsel. And you flee as which you fled from before the quake in days of `Uzziyah king of Y@huwdah. And YHWH comes, 'Elohiym-of-me, all of holy ones with you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hre are a few soursces for ya.

I did the leg work when I was in doubt.

If you really want to know

Hi Carey. If JESUS did not fulfill every prophecy in the Bible, then He wasn't the Messiah.
Besides, the Muslims believe the Jews lost out and Muhammad came to reveal YHWH to the World. Who knows, maybe they are right.

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind.html
-jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

 

[Carey]

Hi Carey. If JESUS did not fulfill every prophecy in the Bible, then He wasn't the Messiah.
Besides, the Muslims believe the Jews lost out and Muhammad came to reveal YHWH to the World. Who knows, maybe they are right.

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind.html
-jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

If Muslims were right Israel would not exist. Now you know why they are trying so hard to amke it not exist to no avail since 1948,

The existence of Israel proves the Quran wrong.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If Muslims were right Israel would not exist. Now you know why they are trying so hard to amke it not exist to no avail since 1948,

The existence of Israel proves the Quran wrong.

That has absolutely nothing to do with Biblical prophecy.

Zechariah 2:13 "Hush!, All of Flesh from view of YHWH. That He is roused from His habitation, holy of Him.

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing all Flesh the Salvation of the God.'