Why aren't you a Christian?

[MaxtheMarxist]

So here's my biggest argument on why I have not, nor ever will, choose Christianity

I'm good, and I've been without any God for a long time.

I'm good because I do not serve myself, but serve to just help and educate others. I recognize that which I do not know and cannot understand, and use my intellect and my understanding to come to the most rational decision. I do not take instructions without justification and reason, and a firm basis in the material world. This is how we utilize our own abilities and potentials without getting ahead of ourselves and thus being of the most worth to assist people.

Since we cannot prove the Bible, and the Bible's basis for obedience is rooted in itself, and the Bible is valid only through a biblical worldview, which is not justified for practical matters of the material world (since it deals with that which is unexplained and not of the material realm) it has little relevance in morality. The Ten Commandments, are found before the Jews. The Egyptian Book of the Dead, Zoroastrian Texts, Sumerian Texts, the Vedas, and Hammurabi's Code of Laws all predate any morality brought forth by God. Our morality ought to be shaped by what is factually proven to further our community, our entire species. Not what one book of ancient mythologies dictates. What about all the other books followed? The Bhagavad-Gita, the Vedas, the myths of old? The Koran? They are just as valid! People have had experiences that they swear are true, that they say verify each and every one of these books! People have been martyred for each parthenon of Gods. What makes Jesus and the Bible so different?


To me? Nothing. A prominent presence in Western Culture, and the fact that families pass it on to their children. Yet, I admire what it WAS when it first came into being, I admire the philosophical teachings of Jesus, to an extent, and I am still fascinated by people's total faith in what is as proven as the text of any other religion.

EDIT: If this offends anyone, I AM totally sorry. I just wanted to fully address the original post.

 

[français]

Wooo, now the forum has three Marxists!

/sidenote

Make it 4!! Me!!!

 

[dlamberth]

Well if I am bad to someone intentionally I would have them do unto me as bad or worse as I did unto them because I would feel I desreve it.

Than it's appearing to me Christianity has taught it's believers to think small. That's yet another sign of it's failure as a religion. If it were a successful religion, one that truly walked the talk of it's founder, the effects of 2000 years of people following the Golden Rule could not but help but change the way people relate to each other….world wide!!

Wars in the world are to prove Jesus was right.

Matthew 24 : 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
(Eartquakes cause Tsunamis)

It looks like Jesus knew that in the future His followers would fail Him….which they have. Nations rising against nation can be stopped. Peace can reign. But where are the peace makers? Christianity has failed in that area as well. Christians are way too often starting wars, supporting wars and financing wars. It’s a failed religion.

World hunger is because of lack of belief in Christ and proof that Christs word is correct.

Christianity is not here to prevent world hunger. It is to teach us to be happy hungry . persecuted or in any circumstance.

I agree that Christianity is not here to “prevent” world hunger. BUT…if Christianity was to actually follow the teachings of it’s founder, the natural consequence are that there would be no world hunger. But here Christianity has failed again. Christianity, for the past 2000 years, (that’s a long time) has played a very small part in the over all scheme in helping those in need. Yet…it’s founder said that a person could not even know Him unless they were helping those in need. There seems to be a major disconnect between Christianity and it’s Founder.

The ecological shape the world is in is proof that the prophecies in the Bible are real.

Global warming will cause adverse weather causin 100 pound as Prophecied.

Air pollution hugely increases the size of hail , and thus the amount of damage it can cause to crops and property, according to a study presented Wednesday at the European Conference on Severe Storms

Like in it’s failure to help people, it has also failed to take care of the earth as Christians are directed to do. Christianity is a failed religion.

From Florida Today
TAMPA - Neighbors told police that a slight whistling sound was the only indication that a 100 - pound block of ice was hurtling towards the earth.

I leave this nonsense alone because it has absolutely nothing to do with a person making God a reality in their life, in THIS life time, where He is needed the most.

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[Carey]

I disagree. If Christians, as a group, put Jesus' teachings into practice hunger would cease to exist all over the world.

That is why I like the Baha'i Faith, why I joined. One of it's major purposes is to make this world a better, happier place.

So is Christianity but feeding the world is not its sole purpose. The soul is the purpose. the rest is an after thought.

Although..

• <LI class=text>Among the 12 percent of Americans whom Gallup classified as "highly spiritually committed," 46 percent said they were presently working among the poor, the infirm, or the elderly—many more than the 22 percent among those "highly uncommitted." <LI class=text>In a followup Gallup survey, charitable and social service volunteering was reported by 28 percent of those who rated religion "not very important" in their lives and by 50 percent of those who rated it "very important." <LI class=text>In the 1992 Gallup survey, those not attending church volunteered 1.4 hours a week while those attending weekly volunteered 3.2 hours. The follow-up survey in 1994 found the same pattern, as have university-based studies. <LI class=text>In yet another Gallup survey, 37 percent of those rarely if ever attending church, and 76 percent of those attending weekly, reported thinking at least a "fair amount" about "your responsibility to the poor."
• Among one notable self-giving population—adoptive parents—religious commitment is commonplace. Among a national sample, 63 percent reported attending a worship service often.

So, tell me about the generosity of someone's spirit, and you will also give me a clue to the centrality of their faith. Tell me whether their faith is peripheral or pivotal, and I will estimate their generosity.Religious consciousness, it appears, shapes a larger agenda than advancing one's own private world. It cultivates the idea that my wealth and talents are gifts of which I am the steward. Spirituality promotes a "bond of care for others," notes Boston College sociologist Paul Schervish. Such altruism, research psychologists Dennis Krebs and Frank Van Hesteren contend, is "selfless, stemming from agape, an ethic of responsible universal love, service, and sacrifice that is extended to others without regard for merit." The religious idea of a reality and purpose beyond self would seem foundational to such "universal self-sacrificial love."Faith-based altruism is at work here in Holland, Michigan, where the Head Start Day Care program was envisioned by a prayer group at the church where it still operates. The thriving Boys and Girls Club was spawned by the Interparish Council. Habitat for Humanity construction is mostly done by church volunteers. Our community's two main nongovernmental agencies for supporting the poor—the Community Action House and the Good Samaritan Center—were begun by churches, which continue to contribute operating funds. The local theological seminary houses the community soup kitchen. Churches fund the community's homeless shelter. Annually, more than 2,000 townspeople, sponsored by thousands more—nearly all from churches—gather for a world hunger relief walk.If the churches of my community (and likely yours) shut down, along with all the charitable action they foster, we would see a sharp drop in beds for the homeless, food for the hungry, and services to children. Partners for Sacred Places, a nondenominational group dedicated to preserving old religious buildings, reports that nine of ten city congregations with pre-1940 buildings provide space for community programming such as food pantries, clothing closets, soup kitchens, childcare centers, recreation programs, AA meetings, and afterschool activities.Thus, mountains of data and anecdotes make it hard to dispute Frank Emerson Andrews' conclusion that "religion is the mother of philanthropy."To be sure, religion is a mixed bag. It has been used to support the Crusades and enslavement. But it was also Christians who built hospitals, helped the mentally ill, staffed orphanages, brought hope to prisoners, established universities, and spread literacy. It was Christians who abolished the slave trade, led civil-rights marches, and challenged totalitarianism. It was 5,000 Christians who in Le Chambon, France, sheltered Jews while French collaborators elsewhere were delivering Jews to the Nazis. The villagers, mostly descendants of a persecuted Protestant group, had been taught by their pastors to "resist whenever our adversaries will demand of us obedience contrary to the orders of the gospel." Ordered to reveal the sheltered Jews, the pastor refused, saying, "I don't know of Jews, I only know of human beings."As the debate over government support of faith-based social services emerges—fueled by success stories such as the Rev. Eugene Rivers III's work with Boston teens, Prison Fellowship's work with inmates, and Michigan's program of connecting social-service clients with church-support groups—the church will also need to retain its prophetic voice. In Britain, which is entering a parallel national debate over "the moral and spiritual decline of the nation," the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. George Carey, opened "an unprecedented debate on morality" in the House of Lords in 1996 by decrying the decline of moral order and spiritual purpose and the tendency to view moral judgments as mere private taste. Jonathan Sacks, England's Chief Rabbi, supported his compatriot:

The power of the Judeo-Christian tradition is that it charts a moral reality larger than private inclination. …It suggests that not all choices are equal: some lead on to blessing, others to lives of quiet despair.It may be that religious leaders can no longer endorse, but instead must challenge the prevailing consensus—the role of the prophet through the ages. In which case the scene is set for a genuine debate between two conflicting visions—between those who see the individual as a bundle of impulses to be gratified and those who see humanity in the image of God; between those who see society as a series of private gardens of desire and those who make space for public parts which we do not own but which we joint ly maintain for the sake of others and the future. No debate could be more fundamental, and its outcome will shape the social contours of the twenty-first century.​

 

[Carey]

Than it's appearing to me Christianity has taught it's believers to think small. That's yet another sign of it's failure as a religion. If it were a successful religion, one that truly walked the talk of it's founder, the effects of 2000 years of people following the Golden Rule could not but help but change the way people relate to each other….world wide!!

It looks like Jesus knew that in the future His followers would fail Him….which they have. Nations rising against nation can be stopped. Peace can reign. But where are the peace makers? Christianity has failed in that area as well. Christians are way too often starting wars, supporting wars and financing wars. It’s a failed religion.

I agree that Christianity is not here to “prevent” world hunger. BUT…if Christianity was to actually follow the teachings of it’s founder, the natural consequence are that there would be no world hunger. But here Christianity has failed again. Christianity, for the past 2000 years, (that’s a long time) has played a very small part in the over all scheme in helping those in need. Yet…it’s founder said that a person could not even know Him unless they were helping those in need. There seems to be a major disconnect between Christianity and it’s Founder.

Like in it’s failure to help people, it has also failed to take care of the earth as Christians are directed to do. Christianity is a failed religion.

I leave this nonsense alone because it has absolutely nothing to do with a person making God a reality in their life, in THIS life time, where He is needed the most.

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If a person wants to know God they must know the Bible uis the word from the only God.

If someone slaps you turn your cheek but if they want to blow up you family Jesus said there would be wars and they must come to pass.
If they are bombing you there will be no cheek to turn so Bomb them into submission then you can have peace.
It worked with Japan.

 

[dlamberth]

So is Christianity but feeding the world is not its sole purpose. The soul is the purpose. the rest is an after thought.

Which is why Christianity is a failed religion...people are not in it's scope of purpose, even though it's founder spent a LOT of time placing them there. The results we see all around us, war, famine, homeless, lack of medical access, ect, ect...are what we have instead. We can see the value of a religion by the quality of it's believers. If a religion’s believers place little value in people, it's a failed religion.

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[rhyddid_rose]

Bore da. Sut mae?

If a person wants to know God they must know the Bible uis the word from the only God.

If someone slaps you turn your cheek but if they want to blow up you family Jesus said there would be wars and they must come to pass.
If they are bombing you there will be no cheek to turn so Bomb them into submission then you can have peace.
It worked with Japan.

Carey, they MUST know the Bible?

I said earlier that a book is NOT alive; it doesn't grow or change-it is static. God did not write the Bible; men did. Better to find God within something which was not made by man.

I have a question: Why does it seem like many Christians worship bible instead of the Eternal? mmmmmm, sounds like a new thread.

Hail the Aesir; Hail the Vanir,


Babochka

 

[Gardenia]

If a person wants to know God they must know the Bible uis the word from the only God.

I think a vast number of non-Christians would disagree with that statement.


(May I then add onto my original post? Attitudes like this is why I am no longer a Christian, and remain so.)

 

[TheOutsider]

I have a question: Why does it seem like many Christians worship bible instead of the Eternal? mmmmmm, sounds like a new thread.

Ooh, I want in on that one. I see it happen all the time in Cre/Evo. It seems that too many worship the KJV and not the God behind it.

 

[Ramona]

Ooh, I want in on that one. I see it happen all the time in Cre/Evo. It seems that too many worship the KJV and not the God behind it.

Me too. So...who wants to actually create the thread?

 

[TheOutsider]

Me too. So...who wants to actually create the thread?

I have no idea how to even word it properly. It would be best if it was posted in GA though.

 

[Ramona]

I have no idea how to even word it properly. It would be best if it was posted in GA though.

Ah, y'all are on your own if it goes to GA...sorry. But yeah, I'd do it myself, but my brain is too fried at the moment to make any passing attempts to be intelligent.

 

[dlamberth]

I have a question: Why does it seem like many Christians worship bible instead of the Eternal?

I can't tell you have many times I've asked myself that question.

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[Carey]

Which is why Christianity is a failed religion...people are not in it's scope of purpose, even though it's founder spent a LOT of time placing them there. The results we see all around us, war, famine, homeless, lack of medical access, ect, ect...are what we have instead. We can see the value of a religion by the quality of it's believers. If a religion’s believers place little value in people, it's a failed religion.

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Christianity puts great value in people that is why Christianity gives more to Charity tahn any other religious group.

India has an extremely low % of Christians and if the hunger in India alone was wiped out 33 % of the worlds hunger problem would be wiped out.

You will notise the ones experiencing these problems you refer to are either non believers or lacking faith.

There will be exceptions to every rule though.

You will also find these problems you refer to are far greater in other countries rather than the USA.

I can give you the diametric opposite scenarios in the USA for people coming out of those negative situations after they gain knowlege of the truth of God and the Bible then growing in faith then growing in all the boutiful blessings the God if the Bible promises.

 

[Carey]

So here's my biggest argument on why I have not, nor ever will, choose Christianity

I'm good, and I've been without any God for a long time.

I'm good because I do not serve myself, but serve to just help and educate others. I recognize that which I do not know and cannot understand, and use my intellect and my understanding to come to the most rational decision. I do not take instructions without justification and reason, and a firm basis in the material world. This is how we utilize our own abilities and potentials without getting ahead of ourselves and thus being of the most worth to assist people.

Since we cannot prove the Bible, and the Bible's basis for obedience is rooted in itself, and the Bible is valid only through a biblical worldview, which is not justified for practical matters of the material world (since it deals with that which is unexplained and not of the material realm) it has little relevance in morality. The Ten Commandments, are found before the Jews. The Egyptian Book of the Dead, Zoroastrian Texts, Sumerian Texts, the Vedas, and Hammurabi's Code of Laws all predate any morality brought forth by God. Our morality ought to be shaped by what is factually proven to further our community, our entire species. Not what one book of ancient mythologies dictates. What about all the other books followed? The Bhagavad-Gita, the Vedas, the myths of old? The Koran? They are just as valid! People have had experiences that they swear are true, that they say verify each and every one of these books! People have been martyred for each parthenon of Gods. What makes Jesus and the Bible so different?


To me? Nothing. A prominent presence in Western Culture, and the fact that families pass it on to their children. Yet, I admire what it WAS when it first came into being, I admire the philosophical teachings of Jesus, to an extent, and I am still fascinated by people's total faith in what is as proven as the text of any other religion.

EDIT: If this offends anyone, I AM totally sorry. I just wanted to fully address the original post.

You seem to think yourself intelligent...lets see whatt an intelligent person as yourself can gleen from these scriptures.


Proverbs 18

1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends;
he defies all sound judgment
2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions.

Jeremiah 32 :
33 They turned their backs to me and not their faces; though I taught them again and again, they would not listen or respond to discipline.

Isaiah 55 : 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.
9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts

1 Corinthians 3 : 18Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"[a]; 20and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."[b] 21So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours, 22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[c] or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

1 corinthians 2 :
6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"[b]— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ.


Mark 4 : 9Then Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]" 13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown."

2 Timothy 2 :
15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

Galtions 5 :
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other

Ephesians 3 : 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.




Carey

 

[Carey]

Bore da. Sut mae?



Carey, they MUST know the Bible?

I said earlier that a book is NOT alive; it doesn't grow or change-it is static. God did not write the Bible; men did. Better to find God within something which was not made by man.

I have a question: Why does it seem like many Christians worship bible instead of the Eternal? mmmmmm, sounds like a new thread.

Hail the Aesir; Hail the Vanir,


Babochka

The Bible is the way to know the creator and to have faith.

Because without the accurate fulfillment of 100's of prohecies it would be hard to believe.

Noone worships the Bibe but revere Gods words in it.


I appreciate your questions though..


Proverbs 18

1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends;
he defies all sound judgment
2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions.

Jeremiah 32 :
33 They turned their backs to me and not their faces; though I taught them again and again, they would not listen or respond to discipline.

Isaiah 55 : 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.
9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts

1 Corinthians 3 : 18Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"[a]; 20and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."[b] 21So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours, 22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[c] or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

1 corinthians 2 :
6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"[b]— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ.


Mark 4 : 9Then Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]" 13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown."

2 Timothy 2 :
15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

Galtions 5 :
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other

Ephesians 3 : 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.




Carey

 

[dlamberth]

You seem to think yourself intelligent...lets see whatt an intelligent person as yourself can gleen from these scriptures.

What wisdom do you gleam from those scriptures?

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[Carey]

What wisdom do you gleam from those scriptures?

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God and the Bible are the only way to true wisdom.

Many especially in the endtimes will mistakenly think themselves wise because of manmade science.

As a Christian we must patiently and lovingly share the truth with unbelievers as well as believer s as it is revealed to us.

And to avoid strife and arguements with the stubborn rebellious ones who obviously dont want to accept the truth. Also trust God to give you disernment between the ones who actually want answers and those who simply want to argue.

I hope I have used this info ,have I?

 

[TheOutsider]

God and the Bible are the only way to true wisdom.

Many especially in the endtimes will mistakenly think themselves wise because of manmade science.

As a Christian we must patiently and lovingly share the truth with unbelievers as well as believer s as it is revealed to us.

And to avoid strife and arguements with the stubborn rebellious ones who obviously dont want to accept the truth. Also trust God to give you disernment between the ones who actually want answers and those who simply want to argue.

I hope I have used this info ,have I?

Did you not read this thread? Most of the people here have heard the Christian message thousands of times. We've heard it and decided that it wasn't for us. Why can't you just let us be?

 

[Carey]

Did you not read this thread? Most of the people here have heard the Christian message thousands of times. We've heard it and decided that it wasn't for us. Why can't you just let us be?

Because I have never heard the message I bring frrom any other Christian.

Also because many here seem to want some answers and I am willing to give them.

If anyone does not want answers here they can simply not ask.

But if they do or if they thinkthere are contradictions in Gods Holy word the Bible I would be happy to show them they do not exist.

I can show the evidence and only and open mind can use this to come to a rational and logical conclusion.

Every Christian I have heard seems to have a diffrentway of bringing the message

I fealt drwan here to share it with someone here who actually is yearning ofr it.

God bless you

carey