Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[Grizzly]

I take it you have never heard of the brides of satan?

the music group?

 

[constance]

In SI you're not allowed to talk about how much you enjoyed your last cutting. In drug or alcohol forums, you're not allowed to talk about the great high you had when you fell off the wagon. In the sexual accountability threads you are not allowed to detail your carnality.

I want to know why that is not the practice in this forum.

 

[Tenebrae]

In SI you're not allowed to talk about how much you enjoyed your last cutting. In drug or alcohol forums, you're not allowed to talk about the great high you had when you fell off the wagon. In the sexual accountability threads you are not allowed to detail your carnality.

I want to know why that is not the practice in this forum.

Who says it isnt?

 

[seashale76]

Who says it isnt?

Well, it is private, so how are we to know one way or the other? But that's besides the point. Why does it need to be private if you are insinuating that they aren't talking about such things?

 

[Tenebrae]

Well, it is private, so how are we to know one way or the other?

If you want to get an idea of the sort of conversations that will take place, feel free to check out the black sheep alliance in the christian clubs forum

 

[seashale76]

If you want to get an idea of the sort of conversations that will take place, feel free to check out the black sheep alliance in the christian clubs forum

Why are people giving themselves such labels in the first place? It doesn't seem healthy and smacks of being intentionally divisive.

 

[Tenebrae]

Why are people giving themselves such labels in the first place? It doesn't seem healthy and smacks of being intentionally divisive.

Look, it seems you are very much opposed to this thing, and of course I dont agree with you, however its your opinion and you are entitled to such.

 

[E-beth]

The forum is for christians who have been on an occult path

It does not now nor will it ever admit non christians...

This is my problem. I don't see how a Christian can be demon possessed. A Christian is someone inhabited by the Holy Spirit. Demons and the Holy Spirit cannot co-exist.

 

[FoundInGrace]

I had no idea this would create such a (insert word of choice here). This probably wasnt the best way to do it. I've also seen people say that moriah and Iguess by default myself should seek help offline.

Which while it seems easy, in all reality is not. After leaving my former church over a year ago, the abuses totally stuffed with my head I still struggle with the two pictures i have of God in my head. One being a god, a sadistic ogre who toys with the universe for his own amusement. The other view of God, as in the Creator of the universe, the God of the bible.

Churches terrify me, am currently going to a small nondenominational church however this is only been in the last couple of months. Churches scare me, christians terrify me, logically i know that not all and not even many christians are like the group I was involved in however on a much deeper level it scares me that if I open up to a group of christians, then they are some how going do the same thing to me that the other group did.

The best description I can think of its the equivalent of a child being subjected to the most horrible abuse you can think of. The child endures it for years, and finally decided to tell someone because it gets to a point that she can no longer handle the abuse. The child selects a person that they think is safe and starts telling them what has been happening. However the so called safe person instead of doing the right thing and calling in the authorities, begins to subject the child to the same sort of abuse, the child thought they were stopping, by deciding to tell.


Why is this long rambling post necessary? There were anonymous people on this internet message board who consistently showed me a true Picture of Christ. It was through the love and prayers of these people, that I was finally able to darken the doors of a church again. I was in a position of where christians, and churches literally terrifyed me, they still do in many respects and at times, its really tempting to want to want all christians with the same broad brush, however due to the consistency of these people in showing me Christ, loving me and praying for me, was one of the only reasons why I can still say I have a faith in Christ....

Sorry Lisa this reply was sort of sparked by your post, but it has little do with it. Yes, people should be dealing with these sort of things in real life. Trying to find spirit filled bible believing someone who deals with spiritual abuse as a christian, the issues related to having followed an occult path, the issues related to having been a former pro Domme, is almost impossible. and while I realsie that one person probably wont have all those qualifications, however a spirit filled christian, who has the stomach to deal with the darker issues is essential for me.


However sometimes, the only support some people have is online. It shouldnt be that way but it is

reps for you, learning to trust Christians and anything to do with the church again does take an incredible amount of time, spiritual abuse is some of the most destructive abuse you can get because it's your very soul. yes online support is the only support some people have and is what helped me heal enough to try church again eventually as well.

Seashale, I'm sorry, but many people have experienced abuse at the hands of a church and no longer trust churches, and likewise, trusting people has become very hard. I'm not saying this applies to your church, but many people who profess to be Christians are far from Christ-like towards members or former members of the occult, and that is exactly why this forum was created - to serve as a place of refuge.

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i've been one that has attacked some of these people not wanting to but just getting my back up from some of what is said and yes feeling drawn back by some of what is typed - and i know that is not the intention of the person typing but issues around them. But i'm not strong enough in God yet and so I end up resenting that about the posts and the people typing them because of what the posts contain.


There should a 'place of refuge' that is private and protects some of the rest of us from what is posted as well, i'm sorry to say that but that is just the way it is.

I feel compassion for Moriah and others needing this place and if it will help then great because maybe thats what God intended. If it doesn't work out then presumably the ones moderating will do something.

I really hope that place is a place where healing with God happens, and the prayer idea is a great one too.

 

[seashale76]

Look, it seems you are very much opposed to this thing, and of course I dont agree with you, however its your opinion and you are entitled to such.

I am, of course. Goes without saying.

Honestly though, how is it healthy to continue to identify and label oneself as an ex-occultist? Ex means you are no longer. Calling oneself a black sheep because you're an ex something or other doesn't make a bit of sense. You're either part of your new faith profession or you aren't. To continually post about and alienate yourself based on what you used to believe is strange.

I'm an ex-Pentecostal, an ex-Baptist, and an ex-Deist. I technically consider myself to be an ex-occultist just because of my views on what I did and experienced as a Pentecostal. I don't continually go around calling myself a Black Sheep Orthodox Christian because of it though and I don't continually feel a particular need to constantly talk about it. I have a new life in Christ and I have struggles, but I am part of His Church.

I'm sorry if you and other disaffected ex-occultists find my posts offensive, but none of this reasoning is making sense to me.

 

[icedtea]

If you want to get an idea of the sort of conversations that will take place, feel free to check out the black sheep alliance in the christian clubs forum

I have read there regularly and there is nothing shocking or horrible.

 

[CaDan]

One good decision is not a guarantee that all is well. Bad logic, sister.

That's why it's "evidence" and not "proof."

 

[drstevej]

That's why it's "evidence" and not "proof."

and minimal at that.

The whole concept reminds me of Spies Like Us


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Austin Millbarge: Doctor
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Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor
[Imhaus exits]
Dr. Marston: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
Dr. Marston: Doctor
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Karen Boyer: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
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Jerry Hadley: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
Jerry Hadley: Doctor
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor
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Austin Millbarge: We're not doctors!

 

[EbonNelumbo]

I am, of course. Goes without saying.

Honestly though, how is it healthy to continue to identify and label oneself as an ex-occultist? Ex means you are no longer. Calling oneself a black sheep because you're an ex something or other doesn't make a bit of sense. You're either part of your new faith profession or you aren't. To continually post about and alienate yourself based on what you used to believe is strange.

I'm an ex-Pentecostal, an ex-Baptist, and an ex-Deist. I technically consider myself to be an ex-occultist just because of my views on what I did and experienced as a Pentecostal. I don't continually go around calling myself a Black Sheep Orthodox Christian because of it though and I don't continually feel a particular need to constantly talk about it. I have a new life in Christ and I have struggles, but I am part of His Church.

I'm sorry if you and other disaffected ex-occultists find my posts offensive, but none of this reasoning is making sense to me.

From an analytical standpoint, it often promotes healing of damage that may have been caused by things, if you can distinguish between past and present.

The term "recovering alcoholic" isn't a shameful thing to most alcoholics, it's a point of strength for them to build off.

 

[CaDan]

the music group?

Weren't they the chicks in the back yard in "Manos: Hands of Fate"?

 

[Tenebrae]

From an analytical standpoint, it often promotes healing of damage that may have been caused by things, if you can distinguish between past and present.

The term "recovering alcoholic" isn't a shameful thing to most alcoholics, it's a point of strength for them to build off.

My name is Freitag, and I'm an addict........ There is much in my past that I am not proud of, however have got to the stage of not being ashamed of those decisions, because as bad as I feel about those things, no amount of shame and guilt will undo those decisions

Odd_Beani said it very well,

 

[seashale76]

From an analytical standpoint, it often promotes healing of damage that may have been caused by things, if you can distinguish between past and present.

The term "recovering alcoholic" isn't a shameful thing to most alcoholics, it's a point of strength for them to build off.

Once again, the internet is a TERRIBLE place for such things, and I cannot reiterate this enough. The internet is false on so many levels, reality being one of them. These ex-occultists need to get help in real life. This is only common sense here. The Church should be their hospital, just as it is for all the rest of us sinners, ex-occultists or not.

 

[Hentenza]

In SI you're not allowed to talk about how much you enjoyed your last cutting. In drug or alcohol forums, you're not allowed to talk about the great high you had when you fell off the wagon. In the sexual accountability threads you are not allowed to detail your carnality.

I want to know why that is not the practice in this forum.

Good points Constance. The other point I would like to make is why is the pastoral staff not setting this up? This are people that are in obvious need of pastoral care. Allowing them forum autonomy is like allowing a pedophile to hang around other pedophiles without any supervision.
The pastoral team should have full control over this forum and should elect the mods. If these people are really serious about healing their satanic past then they need guidance, not a free for all.

 

[3girls2dogs]

I wonder why though, when with all the other forums are allowed to make their own rules, that we should give that control up to mods. So totally not trying to bait you here, however am trying to understand where other people are comming from

I know the WoF subforum and I think the conservative christian forum has wikified their rules so that only WoF and Conservative christians, may mod, and work rules in their respective forums. I can understand why subforums, would do it that way. It would not be good for a liberal mod, or a mod with a dislike of WoF to be making decisions on reports concerning something they themselves are in oppistion with.

I've seen several people state that us making the rules and us deciding who we wanted to mod was bad, however I do wonder, because it seems that it is ok for other forums to state who they want as mods.

Your reponse appreciated

I think this is comparing apples to oranges. Even though we have rules in the Conservative Christians subforum, we cannot make them override the sitewide rules. We cannot exclude people from posting, much less from viewing our forum. We still can't discuss things we may think are sinful, because it would offend the rest of the site. People have come in and reported posts that discuss the tenets of our faith simply because they are offended. Yet this fsuborum will be completely closed off to the rest of the site. I think this is a very dangerous area being crossed into. Of course, this is JMHO.

 

[CaDan]

Say it with me:

"Secrecy and Accountability Cannot Coexist."