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What ARE The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven anyhow?
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So who gets the authority? Do we "protest-ants" have to wrestle with the "Greeks and Romans" for it.Originally Posted by OrthodoxyUSA
It's clear that the autority to bind and loose sin is given to all the Apostles. And that authority was transferable. (See ACTS 1)
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Mark 1:6 And John was clothed/endedumenoV <1746> (5765) hairs/tricaV <2359> of camel,,and a girdle of skin around his loins, and eating locusts and honey of the field,
Reve 9:8 and they had hairs/ tricaV as hairs/tricaV of women, and the teeth of them were as of lions,
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So who gets the authority? Do we "protest-ants" have to wrestle with the "Greeks and Romans" for it.
Mark 1:6 And John was clothed/endedumenoV <1746> (5765) hairs/tricaV <2359> of camel,,and a girdle of skin around his loins, and eating locusts and honey of the field,
Reve 9:8 and they had hairs/ tricaV as hairs/tricaV of women, and the teeth of them were as of lions,
LLoJ,
Your posts with single line scriptural quotes and one word highlighted do not make sense to me. What did these two passages have to do with your question? Are they just random? I'm trying to follow you, but just not getting your drift.
The authority follows a line of succession from Bishop to Bishop down through time by the laying on of hands of the Bishops. The power is with God.
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It is also clear the tranfer was limited:
21: Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22: Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23: And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24: And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25: That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26: And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
It is clear that transfer was limited to eyewitnesses of His resurrection.
21: Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22: Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23: And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24: And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25: That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26: And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
It is clear that transfer was limited to eyewitnesses of His resurrection.
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Transferrable...
Yep.
Act 1:20-26
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Forgive me...
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It is also clear the tranfer was limited:
21: Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22: Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23: And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24: And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25: That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26: And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
It is clear that transfer was limited to eyewitnesses of His resurrection.
Then the very next set of Bishops were foneys?
Titus? Clemet?
You say the authority came to an end... Where is that stated in scripture?
I see no such limitation.
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Act 1:20-26
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
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Not only did I forgive you, I corrected you, too!
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That depends. Did the "End of the Age" ever occur?
.Matthew 10:22 and Ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me, the one yet enduring to into end/teloV <5056>, this one shall be being saved.
1 Peter 4:7 Of all-things/pantwn <3956> yet The/ End/teloV <5056> hath Come Nigh/hggiken <1448>; be sober-minded, then, and watch unto the prayers,
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Does being a minister or elder in a non-Greek/Roman church count.
Did two Bishops from Apostolic Churches appoint them? Then they are not ministers nor elders according to Nicene Theology.
One must also understand that no one Bishop hold authority... but all of them acting as equals in council can make a declaration as led by The Holy Spirit and then the entire Church must ratifiy these decisions.
There is no one Bishop in charge, Christ is in charge and the Chruch is a concliar body.
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Jesus does not convene with his Bishops and so he is not here to be an authorityover these Bishops and that is why Jesus gave Peter the Keys.
Just as the Steward in Isaiah 22 was the master of the palace when there was no King there so is Peter (and his successors) the Master here on earth for the Kingdom.
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Yikes! Maybe they been convening in the Pope's name...
Mt 18:20 - Show Context For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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So who gets the authority? Do we "protest-ants" have to wrestle with the "Greeks and Romans" for it.
Art thou also a protestant? Search, and look: for out of Protestanism ariseth no prophet.
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I will take the winner of these 2Art thou also a protestant? Search, and look: for out of Protestanism ariseth no prophet.
Revelation 13:1 And it/he was standing on the sand of the sea. And I saw out of the sea/f a wild-beast/n [LUTHER] ascending/up-stepping, having horns, ten, and heads/f, seven...........
.......11 And I saw another wild beast [POPE] ascending/up-stepping out of the land, and it had horns, two, like a lambkin and it spoke as a dragon
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*OrthodoxyUSA suppresses a Tourette outbreak*
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LOL
That was pretty good...
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John 15:19 If out of the world ye were, the world ever the own was fond of.
That yet, out of the world not ye are, but I choose Ye out of the world.
Thru this is hating ye, the world.
John 15:19 If out of the world ye were, the world ever the own was fond of.
That yet, out of the world not ye are, but I choose Ye out of the world.
Thru this is hating ye, the world.
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