Should Christians vote?

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Should Christians vote in these last days?

I ask because I believe the elections are rigged these days. Both parties are controlled by the same people behind the scenes. Most candidates(those who have a real chance of being voted in with a few exceptions) are usually members of Freemasons, or Bilderbergers, or the TC, or the CFR or some other secret society.

Am I part of the world's system if I vote and support the system?

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It is true that neither party in the US is Christian freindly. Both are terrible from a Christian perspective.

Voting is still important, to try and minimize damage.

JM
But all parties are owned by the devil's people for it doesn't matter who you vote for.

It is a choice of voting for the devil in blue or the devil in pink.

Voting is a joke.
 
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Hi David,

There is an old country saying that goes like this; "If a politician isn't dishonest when they get into office, they will be dishonest by the time their term is over."

Now before anyone gets their tail in a knot, just stop and think about the corruption that is to be found in politics around the world at all levels.

That being said, here is something much more important to consider. If you vote for a person that is running for public office, and that peson does something that is morally or leaglly wrong while in office, and your vote endorsed and helped them get into office, then you must share some responsibility for their conduct while in office.

Think about it.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc
 
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Should Christians vote in these last days?

I ask because I believe the elections are rigged these days. Both parties are controlled by the same people behind the scenes. Most candidates(those who have a real chance of being voted in with a few exceptions) are usually members of Freemasons, or Bilderbergers, or the TC, or the CFR or some other secret society.

Am I part of the world's system if I vote and support the system?

David

Well there goes our credibility right out the window. Someone has been watching too much Walter Veith and Jan Marcussen.

Is there any way we can discuss this issue without going all Jack Chick sensationalist on it? Where is your proof that the majority of politicians are members of secret societies?

George Bush has taken a lot of flak lately for being outspoken with his religious beliefs. He even went as far as saying that God 'told' him to invade Iraq and bring down Saddam Hussein. It got me to thinking about this moral dilemma.

I am faced with two options for president. One is a man who has religious beliefs and a moral creed that very closely resembles my own. Our stands on abortion, capital punishment, same sex marriage, etc. are the same. The other is a man who has opposite ideals than my own, and a moral creed that I totally disagree with-however, he seems to value freedom of religion and seperation of church and state more than the other.

What to do? :scratch:

Here is my problem: Knowing what I do concerning prophecy, the end times, and the role that the United States will play-do I vote for the one who reflects my moral code and have some integrity, wanting to advance the moral good of society? Or do I 'save my own skin' and vote for the one that I know is anti-God, but will at least not enforce any religious laws?

The choice is clear. I resonate with the Republican agenda, therefore I will have some integrity and vote accordingly. I respectfully disagree with Doc on this one. What he has claimed is based upon an EGW statement which states we share in the sins of our chosen candidate. I do not agree with that. If the political party I vote for becomes instrumental in tearing down the wall seperating church and state, it does not necessarily follow that my vote in support of that party should be held to my account as 'aiding' in the enforcement of that agenda. My vote was cast with the full knowledge that I do not support any such action.

No political party is perfect or has a flawless agenda. You just have to go with the lesser of the two evils. It is unreasonable to think that the candidate you vote for is always going to abide by and support your views in every given area.

Of course, I am Canadian, but I am speaking in American terms since the majority here are American. Here in Canada, it's the same on a smaller scale. Instead of the Republican party, we have the Conservative party. Instead of the Democrats, we have the Liberal party. Over the last 25 years I have consistently voted against the Liberal party. I have no use for past liberal Prime Ministers such as Pierre Trudeau, Paul Martin and Jean Cretien. Thankfully, we now have a conservative Prime Minister who represents my views (Stephen Harper) and wonder of wonders, he actually got in! :thumbsup: The strained relations between you guys and us as a result of the activities of both Cretien and Martin against Bush are being repaired by Harper, who has done much damage control with Bush. We are one of your closest allies, and Harper is fostering and nurturing that fact.

YES Christians should vote! The blood of our soldiers shed to secure our freedoms and maintain a free democracy where we can have our voices heard was too expensive to just thoughtlessly cast aside by refusing to vote.

And for those who want to wallow in George Bush conspiracy theories-this one's for you (don't miss the Masonic Eye Of Horus in the triangle on his forehead):

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G.W.Bush and his father are members of Skull and Bones, a secret society of Yale universalty that is an offshot of German secret society. If Bush is truely a Christian what is he doing being a member of a secret society? And if it is innocent then why is it soo secret? What have they got to hide?

They are satan worshippers.
 
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Well there goes our credibility right out the window. Someone has been watching too much Walter Veith and Jan Marcussen.

Is there any way we can discuss this issue without going all Jack Chick sensationalist on it? Where is your proof that the majority of politicians are members of secret societies?

George Bush has taken a lot of flak lately for being outspoken with his religious beliefs. He even went as far as saying that God 'told' him to invade Iraq and bring down Saddam Hussein. It got me to thinking about this moral dilemma.

I am faced with two options for president. One is a man who has religious beliefs and a moral creed that very closely resembles my own. Our stands on abortion, capital punishment, same sex marriage, etc. are the same. The other is a man who has opposite ideals than my own, and a moral creed that I totally disagree with-however, he seems to value freedom of religion and seperation of church and state more than the other.

What to do? :scratch:

Here is my problem: Knowing what I do concerning prophecy, the end times, and the role that the United States will play-do I vote for the one who reflects my moral code and have some integrity, wanting to advance the moral good of society? Or do I 'save my own skin' and vote for the one that I know is anti-God, but will at least not enforce any religious laws?

The choice is clear. I resonate with the Republican agenda, therefore I will have some integrity and vote accordingly. I respectfully disagree with Doc on this one. What he has claimed is based upon an EGW statement which states we share in the sins of our chosen candidate. I do not agree with that. If the political party I vote for becomes instrumental in tearing down the wall seperating church and state, it does not necessarily follow that my vote in support of that party should be held to my account as 'aiding' in the enforcement of that agenda. My vote was cast with the full knowledge that I do not support any such action.

No political party is perfect or has a flawless agenda. You just have to go with the lesser of the two evils. It is unreasonable to think that the candidate you vote for is always going to abide by and support your views in every given area.

Of course, I am Canadian, but I am speaking in American terms since the majority here are American. Here in Canada, it's the same on a smaller scale. Instead of the Republican party, we have the Conservative party. Instead of the Democrats, we have the Liberal party. Over the last 25 years I have consistently voted against the Liberal party. I have no use for past liberal Prime Ministers such as Pierre Trudeau, Paul Martin and Jean Cretien. Thankfully, we now have a conservative Prime Minister who represents my views (Stephen Harper) and wonder of wonders, he actually got in! :thumbsup: The strained relations between you guys and us as a result of the activities of both Cretien and Martin against Bush are being repaired by Harper, who has done much damage control with Bush. We are one of your closest allies, and Harper is fostering and nurturing that fact.

YES Christians should vote! The blood of our soldiers shed to secure our freedoms and maintain a free democracy where we can have our voices heard was too expensive to just thoughtlessly cast aside by refusing to vote.

And for those who want to wallow in George Bush conspiracy theories-this one's for you (don't miss the Masonic Eye Of Horus in the triangle on his forehead):

Night,

Thank you for this post. I know we have disagreed in the past but I got your back on this one.

:clap:
 
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You all know the USA is the second beast of Revelation 13 and is speaking like a DRAGON right now and you can't see it.

In the US 2004 election bot Bush and Kerry was members of the same secret society. They both belong to Skull and Bones. Tony Blair, ex-PM of Britian is a 33rd freemason. The queen of the UK owns the Bilderbergers. And they are all controlled by Rome through the Jesuits.

If you can't see this then you are blind.
 
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You all know the USA is the second beast of Revelation 13 and is speaking like a DRAGON right now and you can't see it.

In the US 2004 election bot Bush and Kerry was members of the same secret society. They both belong to Skull and Bones. Tony Blair, ex-PM of Britian is a 33rd freemason. The queen of the UK owns the Bilderbergers. And they are all controlled by Rome through the Jesuits.

If you can't see this then you are blind.
I realize the role that the USA will play in the end of time, but I am going to enjoy my religious freedom here while I have it.
 
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You all know the USA is the second beast of Revelation 13 and is speaking like a DRAGON right now and you can't see it.

In the US 2004 election bot Bush and Kerry was members of the same secret society. They both belong to Skull and Bones. Tony Blair, ex-PM of Britian is a 33rd freemason. The queen of the UK owns the Bilderbergers. And they are all controlled by Rome through the Jesuits.

If you can't see this then you are blind.
interesting... and if they belong to a "secret" society, yet you know about it, then either its not a secret society OR what you say is not true.... which is it?
 
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interesting... and if they belong to a "secret" society, yet you know about it, then either its not a secret society OR what you say is not true.... which is it?
I know they exist but I don't know what they do or what they agenda is.

If they had had their way we wouldn't even know they exist.

G.W.Bush admitted he was a member of S&B but he says it is so secret he can't say anything more about it. His father and grandfather were members too.

Bill Clinton was a Jesuit controlled president.
 
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Before I make any comment, I would respectfully like to ask each who has posted here to think about their position and the logic used to reach that position. Have you compared it with hstory? With the Bible? How do your own emotions play into your statements?

Be back later.

Your brother in Christ,
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I know they exist but I don't know what they do or what they agenda is.

If they had had their way we wouldn't even know they exist.

G.W.Bush admitted he was a member of S&B but he says it is so secret he can't say anything more about it. His father and grandfather were members too.

Bill Clinton was a Jesuit controlled president.
how do you know they exist? Because you have heard some conspiracy theory that you deem to be true? You don't really know that they exist, and if they really wanted to be "secret" no one would ever know they existed... so again, either they don't exist, or what you think you say about them is not quite true...
 
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how do you know they exist? Because you have heard some conspiracy theory that you deem to be true? You don't really know that they exist, and if they really wanted to be "secret" no one would ever know they existed... so again, either they don't exist, or what you think you say about them is not quite true...
The Bible says they exist. See Revelation chapter 17 about the woman with the name "Mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth."

What is a mystery? It is a secret.

So you think G.W.Bush being a member of Skull and Bones is a conspiracy theory?

I guess then you could say the book of Revelation is one big conspiracy theory?
 
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