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Marx was a satanist and Communism a branch of t mysteries

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[SIZE=+3]Karl Marx?[/SIZE]



Before Marx became a famous economist and communist, he paid his tribute to humanism. Today, one-third of the world is Marxist.* Many in western countries acknowledge Marxism in one form or another. There are even many professing Christians, many of them highly revered, who are convinced that if Christ said many true things about the Kingdom of God, real answers on how to help hungry, poor and oppressed should be sought by reading Marx.
We've heard that Marx was a deep humanitarian; that he was possessed by the idea of helping the oppressed masses. His belief: The reason behind oppression is capitalism. As soon as this putrid system is destroyed after the time of proletariat's rule, a new society will appear in which everyone will work and receive according to their needs. There will be neither a state that represses individuality, nor war or revolution, but a world-wide brotherhood of nations lasting forever.
Marx opposed any form of religion since it prevented the fulfillment of his communist ideals - the only answer for all the world's problems.
This is the way Marxists explain their position. Yet there are even some Christians who have held similar views. Pastor Ostereier (UK) once preached in a sermon: "Communism, no matter in what form, good or bad as it appears today, is a movement for liberating man from exploitation. We, the members of Christ's body, humbly repenting should acknowledge that we owe a lot to every communist."

So Marx was aware of the way in which people may show brotherly love towards each other, that is, through Christianity.
He continues: "Therefore, unity with Christ internally exalts, comforts in trials, and makes the heart open to love people, not because of our pride or thirst for fame, but because of Christ."
At the about the same period of time, he writes in his work entitled: "Thoughts of a young man before choosing a profession":
"Religion teaches us the Ideal to Whom we all aspire. He has sacrificed Himself for all mankind. Who will dare to deny such assertions? If we have chosen a profession at which we may give our best to mankind, then we won't falter under its burden, because it is a sacrifice for all."
When he graduated from high school, his diploma contained the following in the category "Religious knowledge":
"His knowledge of Christian teachings and principles is clear and properly based. He also knows the history of Christian church to a great extent."
Soon after receiving of his diploma, something very mysterious happened. Even before Moses Gess led Marx to socialistic persuasions in 1841, he had become a zealous atheist. This change character could be seen in his later student years.
In one of his verses, Marx wrote: "I long to take vengeance on the One Who rules from above." Marx believed that "the One that rules from above" in fact existed. He contended with Him, although God never harmed him. Marx was from a relatively wealthy family. He didn't starve in his childhood and in his student years he lived much better than his friends. So what caused his fierce hatred towards God?
Personal motivations are not available to us. Maybe Marx was only somebody's else speaker in this defiant assertion?
During this period, the following lines are taken from him from the poem entiled: "Conjuration of falling into despair."
I'll set up my throne above,
Cold and terrible will be the peak of it.
Superstitious trembling is at its base,
Master - most black agony.

The one who will look with healthy looks,
Will turn away, turn pale and deadly mute.
Possessed by blind and cold deathness,
will prepare a tomb with his happiness.

The words "I'll set up my throne" and his confession that agony and fear will go forth from the one who is sitting upon the throne, remind us Lucifer's proud boast: "I will ascend to heaven, higher than God's stars I will set up my throne" (Isiah 14:13).
Why did Marx need such a throne? The answer for this question is in an infamous drama written by Marx in his student years. The drama is called "Oulanem." There is a mention of a satanic "Black mass," a ritual conducted by a priest at midnight in which a Bible is burned. All present promise to commit all the seven deadly sins mentioned in the Roman Catholic catechism and to never perform any good works. An orgy follows after that.
Worship of Satan is very old. In Deuteronomy we read that the Jews "made sacrifices to demons" (32:17). Later, the king of Israel, Jeroboam, set up priests of the high places and of the goats and bulls that he made"(2 Kings 12:25-33).
The "Oulanem" can be understood if we read with Marx's bizarre confession made in the verse "Nidler":
Hellish evaporations rise and fill my brains,
Until I will go mad and my heart will not change dramatically.
See this sword?
The King of darkness
sold it to me.

These lines have special meaning when we take into account that during the rituals of higher dedication into a satanic cult, a bewitched sword that guarantees a success is sold to the candidate. He pays for it by signing with his blood taken from his vein the contract which makes his soul belong to Satan after death.
And now I'll quote "Oulanem":
For he is marking time and giving signs.
Bolder and bolder I play the dance of death.
And they too: Oulanem, Oulanem.
This name sounds like death,
Sounds until won't stop in miserable shapes.
Halt! Now I have it. It rises from my soul,
Clear as air, hard as my bones.
And still, you personified mankind,
I may take you by the power of my mighty hands and crush with fierce force
In the meantime, as the abyss gapes before me and you in the darkness,
You will fall in it and I'll follow you,
Laughing and whispering into your ear: "Come down with me, friend!"
The Holy Scripture, which Marx learned in high school, says that devil was cast down by an angel into the abyss (Rev. 20:3). Marx wanted to send all mankind into this abyss prepared for the devil and his angels.
Who speaks for Marx in this drama? Is it reasonable to expect this from such a young man - that he would dream that mankind would fall into the abyss (the "outer darkness" as the Bible calls it), and that he himself laughing will follow those who were ensnared by unbelief? Nowhere in the world is this idea cultivated except in the rituals of dedication into the higher degrees of the Satanic church.
The time to die has come for Oulanem. These are his words:
Perished, perished. My time is over.
The clock has stopped, the tiny building has fallen.
Soon I'll squeeze eternity to me, and with a wild cry
Will speak out a curse to all mankind.

Marx liked to repeat Mephistopheles' words from Goethe's "Faust": "all existing is worthy to be destroyed." All, including the worker and those who fought for communism in battle. Marx liked to quote these words and Stalin acted according to these words and destroyed even his own family.
Members of Satan's cult are not materialists. They believe in life after death. Oulanem, the person whose character Marx assumes, does not deny life after death. But acknowledges it as a life full of hate to the highest degree. I should mention that "eternity" means "torture" to demons. This is the reason why demons rebuked Jesus: "And so they cried out: what do you have to do with us, Jesus, Son of God? Have you come to torture us before our time" (Matt. 8:29).
Marx says the same thing:
Hah, eternity, our eternal pain,
Indescribable, unmeasurable death!
Disgusting, artificially conceived,
To despise us -
We, who ourselves, as a clock mechanism
Blindly mechanical, created to be
Foolish calendars of time and space,
Without any purpose,
Besides accidental appearance for destruction.
We begin to realize what happened to young Marx. He used to have Christian ideals, but he didn't applying them to his life. His correspondence with his father testifies of spending of large amounts of money for entertainment that caused endless conflicts with his parents. In this situation, he possibly was entangled in the snare of a secret Satanic cult and went through the ritual of dedication. Satan is seen by his followers in hallucinations during the orgies and speaks through their mouths. Marx is just Satan's voice when he proclaims "I want to take vengeance on the One who is above."
Let's go to the end of "Oulanem" drama:
Hah! Tortured on the burning wheel,
I must happily dance in the circle of eternity:
If there would be anything beyond it,
I'd jump into it, even if I had to destroy the world for it.
Build between it and me!
It must be destroyed with curses.
I'll supress stubborn existence by my hands.
Embracing me, it should calmly fade out.
And then - down to nowhere.
Completely disappear, and not to be - that would be - the life.
In the "Oulanem" drama Marx, in fact, does the same thing as the devil. He curses all humanity.
"Oulanem" is probably the only drama in the world in which all the players are so sure of their sinfulness and revel in it as on a holiday. There is neither white nor black, neither Claudio and Ophelia, Iago and Desdemona. Everything is black in it, and every one appeared to have Mephistopheles' character. All of it's players are demonic and doomed to perish.
When Marx was writing "Oulanem," the young genius was 18. His plan for his life was very clear by that time. He had no illusions about serving mankind, the proletariat or socialism. He wanted to destroy the world, set up a throne for himself that would be based upon the world's shocks, throes and convulsions.
At this stage, Marx's views were developing. Some mysterious things appear in his correspondence with his father. For instance, the son writes: "The cover has fallen, my Holy of Holies was emptied and there was a need to put new gods there." This was written on November 10, 1837 by the young fellow who previously professed to be a Christian. He used to profess that Christ inhabited in his heart. Suddenly this turned upside-down. What new gods replaced Christ's place?
Marx's father replied (February 10, 1838): "I didn't demand any explanations about such a mysterious thing, though it seems to be very controversial." What was that mysterious thing? No biographer has been able to explain these puzzling words.
What suddenly caused young Marx's father to express anxiety for controversial influences on his young son?
In a poem, Karl Marx wrote:
I have lost heaven,
And know that for sure.
My soul, once faithful to God,
Now is destined for hell.
We need not comment.
Marx began with proud ambitions in art. His verse and drama were important for the discovery of his inner world, but because of the absence of poetic talent, they remained useless. Failures in painting and architecture gave us Hitler; in drama - Goebels; in philosophy - Rosenberg.
Marx was the implacable enemy of all gods, a man who bought a sword from the prince of darkness for the price of his own soul.
Did Marx really buy a sword from the Satan?
His daughter, Eleonora, wrote book entitled: "The Moor and the general - memoirs of Marx and Engels." She says that Karl told many stories to her and his other daughter when they were children. Her favorite story was about some one named Hans Rekle. This story was continued for months and seemed to never end. Hans Rekle was a wizard who had a toy shop and a lot of debts. Though he was wizard, he constantly was in need of money. Therefore, in spite of his desire, he had to sell all his cute toys one by one to the devil. Eleonora wrote that some of these adventures were so awful that her hair stood on end.
Robert Payne, in his book "Marx," also tells in detail, from Eleonora's words, how the poor wizard Rekle unwillingly was selling his toys keeping them until the very last moment. But because he had an agreement with devil, he was unable to escape.
The biographer comments: "Scarely can we doubt that those never ending stories were autobiographic. Sometimes it seemed as though he was realizing that he was performing the devil's duty." Marx didn't conceive of socialism when was finishing "Oulanem" and other early works in which he admits he made a pact with Satan.
At that time Marx met Moses Gess, the man who played most significant role in his life and led Marx to accept socialistic ideals.
In a letter to B. Auerbasch (1841), Gess characterized Marx as "the greatest, possibly the only, philosopher of today ... Dr. Marx is very young (24 years old at the most); he'll strike the final blow on religion and philosophy." So the first target was to strike a blow to religion not socialism.
It is a myth that Marx had been pursuing the ideal of helping mankind, that religion was the obstacle on the way to the realization of those ideals, and that this was the reason why he took an anti-religious position. On the contrary, Marx hated all gods and couldn't hear about God. Socialism was only a decoy to attract the proletariat and intelligensia to the realization of a satanic ideal.
 

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Marx was a satanist, I like to stick to the topic myself.

Now let us examine the evidence, everytime you have that communism malachi you have concentration camps were christians are killed.

The Five star pentagram on every communist flag.

the sickle of kronos on the soviet union. In the mystery religions, the most important communication tool are the symbols which have meaning.

Moderators should ask the participants to stick to the topic.
 
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Marx was Jewish. His works on economics come out of the Jewish concern with the oppressed. Have you ever actually read anything Marx wrote?
I graduated in Economics and political science.

Is this the level of debate on this forum? Whathas his being Jewish have to do with he being a Satanist?
 
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I graduated in Economics and political science.

Is this the level of debate on this forum? Whathas his being Jewish have to do with he being a Satanist?

What does his being a Satanist (note: I am not agreeing that this is true) have to do with his ideas on economics?
 
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The hammer represents the industrial worker I believe. The Sickle is meant to represent agricultural workers. Concentration camps for christians? Try any enemy of the state. The brutal treatment of jews in russia is also well known. Marx was flat wrong about his theory of the future and how an economy/state could be run, but I seriously doubt he believed in Satan.
 
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Marx was a satanist, I like to stick to the topic myself.

And an interesting trainwreck of a topic it is.

What would it matter if Marx was a hideous monster with an insatiable lust for human blood? Is it not possible that communism could still be a viable economic theory? To my knowledge communism does not require one to worship satan. But I'm not an economist so I can't say for sure.

Now let us examine the evidence, everytime you have that communism malachi you have concentration camps were christians are killed.

Huh? Really? Is that somewhere in the Communist handbook? That they must kill christians to be communists? Really?

Please tell us where this is stated when one is working to decentralize control of capital from the hands of the few "owners" to the hands of the "workers".

The Five star pentagram on every communist flag.

You're joking here, right? Honestly, this is a joke isn't it?

the sickle of kronos on the soviet union. In the mystery religions, the most important communication tool are the symbols which have meaning.

You do realize that FARM WORKERS often used sickles, right? And HAMMERS.

Besides, are sickles present in ALL communist governments as a requirement to be a communist government?

Moderators should ask the participants to stick to the topic.

I think they would if the topic hadn't gone off the rails from the OP.

Really and honestly, if you dislike communism discuss communism, if you dislike satanism, discuss satanism.

If you dislike beards (such as Marx had) are you going to now claim communism is somehow inextricably linked to BEARDS?

That's the flaw in your logic. You are taking a possible (and I stress "possible" here) problem with Marx personal life and assuming anything and everything he espoused is therefore tainted with this stain.

If the worst you can come up with against communism is a bunch of non sequiturs and things that don't really define communism, then you are not really discussing anything valid.

C'mon, discuss real problems with various economic theories, not personal problems with some of the early theorists in the area!
 
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I graduated in Economics and political science.

Is this the level of debate on this forum? Whathas his being Jewish have to do with he being a Satanist?

You obviously didn't graduate in English. I am saying that rather than Marx being a satanist, he was a Jew and that communism is rooted and grounded in the Jewish concern with the oppressed and marginalised.
 
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What does his being a Satanist (note: I am not agreeing that this is true) have to do with his ideas on economics?

It may have more to do with thermodynamics, given the use of sulphur furnaces for heat in Satan's mythical kingdom. Perhaps the fellow got Ole Karl mixed up with Lord Kelvin, or, who's the guy with the Uncertainty Principle, also Jewish, Heisenberg?
 
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It may have more to do with thermodynamics, given the use of sulphur furnaces for heat in Satan's mythical kingdom. Perhaps the fellow got Ole Karl mixed up with Lord Kelvin, or, who's the guy with the Uncertainty Principle, also Jewish, Heisenberg?

So are you trying to tell me that Kelvin was evil? Hmmm, I think I can buy that. I certainly didn't enjoy Thermodynamics in college.

What about Boltzman? Have you seen the mysterious "inscription" on his tombstone???
boltz.jpg

I bet that S=k logW stuff is some satanic invokation!

It's all part of the mystery religions or some such I'm sure.
 
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everytime you have that communism malachi you have concentration camps were christians are killed.

anyone have a link to the death camps set up in Crosby Minnesota in 1932? That's when they elected Karl Emil Nygard a communist, as mayor. :sorry:
tulc(thinks someone would have mentioned that) :scratch:
 
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anyone have a link to the death camps set up in Crosby Minnesota in 1932? That's when they elected Karl Emil Nygard a communist, as mayor. :sorry:
tulc(thinks someone would have mentioned that) :scratch:

It was probably covered up by the Union of Marxist Minnesotans. Once they realized that they were teetering on total collapse into unbridled evil they got Nygard out and worked hard on covering up the dirty secret of Minnesota's Lutheran Concentration Camps.

But in the event that anyone questions how horrible it could have been, need I remind them of the horrors of mosquitoes and bland nordic food.

(Perhaps, though, they fed the imprisoned Christians spicy food until they died--which for a Minnesotan would probably be about 2 meals).
 
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