Women pastors, the spirit of whoredom

[chris777]

chris777:

Your silly accusations are hollow indeed.

and true to form no back up for what you have been saying

 

[Floatingaxe]

and true to form no back up for what you have been saying

You are unfair in argument. How can one believe you?

In all my many posts in this forum today, and in this thread alone, I have counted 7 Scriptural references.

I have yet to see one of yours. How genuine can you really be? All bluster, I imagine.

 

[chris777]

You are unfair in argument. How can one believe you?

In all my many posts in this forum today, and in this thread alone, I have counted 7 Scriptural references.

I have yet to see one of yours. How genuine can you really be? All bluster, I imagine.

I posted quite a few yesterday, but to be fair I will look over what you posted tomorrow, but I was primarily speaking of how you dismissed several verses as mistranslated, and yet your Galatians trump verse is mysteriously translated correctly in the misogynist conspiracy to keep woman down.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It wasn't 40,000 years ago. Mankind hasn't been here that long. Maybe less than 10,000 years.

I know God's Word is true and there is nothing that can change that for me. If something comes against God;s Word, then it is wrong, not Scripture. God cannot lie. I trust Him over people and their science god any day.

well then your claim that "no one has ever proved "God's" word false" is meaningless, if, as you freely admit, no matter the evidence before you, you will ignore it.

Where is it written that God rewards blind devotion and a rejection of reality?

 

[*Starlight*]

their are more differences than that between men and women.

What kind of differences? Can you give some examples?

Their is no truth found elsewhere, the rest is ultimately of satanic origin, as it all leads away from Christ. You unfortunately are deceived if you believe what you stated.

There's truth all around us. I see that there are women who are better leaders than men, just like I see that the sky is blue and the grass is green.

 

[Floatingaxe]

well then your claim that "no one has ever proved "God's" word false" is meaningless, if, as you freely admit, no matter the evidence before you, you will ignore it.

Where is it written that God rewards blind devotion and a rejection of reality?

It is written that God rewards those who seek Him diligently. He gives us insight that you can only dream about.

My claim isn't meaningless at all. It is a very strong statement that cannot be denied. God is the ultimate reality.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well, I know I've unsubscribed from this debate before and come back, but this time I shall, and mean it.

So far there've been 95 pages in this thread and it still boils down to; "I disagree with women preachers, Scripture forbids it, you're all deceived and leading the church astray", verses "I agree with women preachers, Scripture does not forbid it and God has called me."

At the end of the day, we live the lives we lead before God - doing our best in the calling that we believe he has given us, and with the gifts he has given us to fulfill that calling. I hope those who are so opposed to women preachers preach themselves, or are open to the possibility of God's calling in this area otherwise it's a tad hypocritical/judgemental. But whatever - you have to answer to God just as I do.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It is written that God rewards those who seek Him diligently. He gives us insight that you can only dream about.

My claim isn't meaningless at all. It is a very strong statement that cannot be denied. God is the ultimate reality.

If you refuse to even consider the alternatives available... how do you know?

Truth is only truth in comparison to falsehood

 

[KCDAD]

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his descendant. 10 It does not say, "And to descendants," as referring to many, but as referring to one, "And to your descendant," who is Christ.




Since we become part of Christ through the Holy Spirit we become ONE with Christ as is made clear in the above quote.

So that when we read:
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendant, heirs according to the promise.

We can see that when we are but spirit there will be no sexual differences and once we are in heaven there will be no need for procreation. Then we will be as ONE.



BUT do not dismiss the Laws but rather live in Jesus and you will want to follow the laws without trying. Thus faith and works are not enough for only in Jesus can we be saved.

Romans 6:14b ... because you are not under law, but under grace

Galatians 3:10... yes... but 11-13
Now it is clear no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous one will live by faith. 3 3:12 But the law is not based on faith, 4 but the one who does the works of the law 5 will live by them. 6 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming 7 a curse for us

What we don't need is another Pharisee demanding obedience to the law ...

 

[Nadiine]

It's my strong belief that the Christian church today isn't properly taught about the Law - the details of what Christ FULFILLED (not removed or made void) and what still pertain to us to continue obeying.
IE. MORAL law from the OT continues, moral law didn't change, and was present before the OT law was written.

We keep saying we're under grace now as if the entire OT is invalid, useless and only good for kindling in a fireplace.
When we say we're under Grace, it's true, we are. BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE WRONGLY ATTACHING THE IDEA THAT THE LAW IS COMPLETELY GONE now & we can toss out the OT that isn't important or valid anymore.

I PRAY our churches start teaching what changed and that the law isn't entirely GONE.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It's my strong belief that the Christian church today isn't properly taught about the Law - the details of what Christ FULFILLED (not removed or made void) and what still pertain to us to continue obeying.
IE. MORAL law from the OT continues, moral law didn't change, and was present before the OT law was written.

We keep saying we're under grace now as if the entire OT is invalid, useless and only good for kindling in a fireplace.
When we say we're under Grace, it's true, we are. BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE WRONGLY ATTACHING THE IDEA THAT THE LAW IS COMPLETELY GONE now & we can toss out the OT that isn't important or valid anymore.

I PRAY our churches start teaching what changed and that the law isn't entirely GONE.

you come up with a way to determine which bits of the OT are moral law and which are cultural yet?

 

[Nadiine]

you come up with a way to determine which bits of the OT are moral law and which are cultural yet?

ALL the moral law stands - all of it. It's not bits & pieces.
What YOU believe in are the bits & pieces: "i like this one, this one infringes on my pleasure, toss it" type of belief system.
In another thread, didn't you claim that inappropriate content is fine too??

 

[EnemyPartyII]

ALL the moral law stands - all of it. It's not bits & pieces.
What YOU believe in are the bits & pieces: "i like this one, this one infringes on my pleasure, toss it" type of belief system.
In another thread, didn't you claim that inappropriate content is fine too??

You didn't answer my question... what is your method for determining which bits of OT law are moral laws?

 

[KCDAD]

If the law is of God then it is unchanging and unbending. It is permanent and fixed... it is absolute and unchanging.

We know that it is not. The sacrificial laws are gone. The cleanliness laws are gone. The Sabbath laws are gone. The temple laws are gone.
Laws are from man. Grace is from God.

 

[artybloke]

Laws are from man. Grace is from God.

Just what I was going to say.

 

[Nadiine]

If the law is of God then it is unchanging and unbending. It is permanent and fixed... it is absolute and unchanging.

We know that it is not. The sacrificial laws are gone. The cleanliness laws are gone. The Sabbath laws are gone. The temple laws are gone.
Laws are from man. Grace is from God.

this is exactly why I say people need proper teaching in their churches about the details of law & grace;

Christ FULFILLED them, and BECAME our "cleanliness" (righteous) over us, therefore, the ceremonial/sacrificial laws are FULFILLED in Christ (over us). the dietary laws aren't GONE - Christ became them thru His death & raising.
Those laws STILL STAND today - and everyone who hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour - being born again in the Salvation He provided, THEY ARE THEN UNDER THE OT LAW THAT ISN'T REMOVED.

You are either under the law of CHRIST or THE OT LAW of Moses for judgment.
Christ fulfilling them didn't make them obsolete and literally gone - HE became and obeyed these things - When we are His children, HE IS THE BANNER OVER US when HE fulfilled them.

But His fulfilling of the Moral laws, don't then entitle us to go out & break moral laws: Murder/abortion, stealing, lying, cheating, violence, hatred, abuse, sexual immorality, coveting, extortion, inappropriate behavior with animals/perversions, kidnapping, etc etc.
ALL these moral laws are reiterated into the NT to continue obeying.

Jesus' fulfillment CHANGED the law - 1) He removed the PENALTIES of breaking the law for us - we inherit His kingdom if saved and, whoever is born again, has righteousness thru CHRIST who has paid their ransom; instead of the previous ceremonial laws & obedience to law (which included animal sacrifice for their atonement), it didn't END IT!
Those who accept Christ ARE CLEAN due to Christ over them (Not so for the lost who have no sacrifice for their sin) and who are under the FULL PENALTY OF THE OT LAW - the soul that sins shall die.

Mat. 5:
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

What laws are you referring to? Certainly as we are all one in Christ, there is not one law pertaining to a woman being refused anything of God. I am not a woman...you are not a man...to God. He looks on the heart. He deals in the spiritual.

Right...

So murder is acceptible and we have no laws or repercusions we can all do as we please. Right?

After all isn't that what society is teaching us today?

Heck a pregnant can kill her unborn child and society says it is OK.

Yes, your thinking that there are no laws is a good one. (SARCASM)

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Women pastors is not the spirit of whoredom. Women have every right to be pastors just as much as men do. Or do we still live in the bigoted days of sexism?

So now God is sexist...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

what writings are these, I had seen a catholic pamphlet, but it has been a while, and it went in another direction, I would like to research it a bit.

Any topic you wish to start with?

If not then we could start with Ignatius?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Romans 6:14b ... because you are not under law, but under grace

Galatians 3:10... yes... but 11-13
Now it is clear no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous one will live by faith. 3 3:12 But the law is not based on faith, 4 but the one who does the works of the law 5 will live by them. 6 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming 7 a curse for us

What we don't need is another Pharisee demanding obedience to the law ...

It is not that he was a Pharisees because some of the Pharisees were fine. But it was the hypocrites that acted out the Law but their hearts were sinful. Maybe that is why Jesus said to clean the inside and the outside will follow.