Foru.ms - a new beginning and a fresh start (3)

[SunMessenger]

OK now I have had it! Chrisbot just told me this about my favorite movie ...

That movie sucked.

Now even the robot has an attitude. What's next ?

 

[Veiled Viper]

OK now I have had it! Chrisbot just told me this about my favorite movie ...


Now even the robot has an attitude. What's next ?

Bahahahaha!!

 

[pgp_protector]

OK now I have had it! Chrisbot just told me this about my favorite movie ...


Now even the robot has an attitude. What's next ?

So that's what Erwin was coding

 

[IamRedeemed]

ROFL!!

OK now I have had it! Chrisbot just told me this about my favorite movie ...


Now even the robot has an attitude. What's next ?

 

[Fear]

This place is changing a lot this summer. First the 'new' CF, now a new URL. Oh, the horror!

My $0.02 - name change was unnecessary!

 

[humblet]

"Hi all

Some of the entries are great!

I'm happy for the slogans to have a Christian theme, but bear in mind that the aim is outreach. Imagine yourself as your non-Christian friend who you have invited to this site - what would attract them the most without making them feel threatened. "

Erwins quote......
So is this what the changes are all about? Play down the Christian roots of this site to get non-believers to come in and then let them know its a Christian forum?

In answer to his question--any non-Christian would feel conned.
But more important--As Christians we are required only to plant the seeds--God couases them to grow. There is no need for tricks to share the faith with non-believers.

Frankly--the Christian faith has no room for compromise. Did Jesus eat and share with sinners? YES but he never ever played down the faith in order to do so.

This whole change thing would be far more honest if it was simply known that this site is no longer a Christian site but a community with a few Chrisitans in it.

Just my opinion......

Well said.

 

[SunMessenger]

"Hi all

Some of the entries are great!

I'm happy for the slogans to have a Christian theme, but bear in mind that the aim is outreach. Imagine yourself as your non-Christian friend who you have invited to this site - what would attract them the most without making them feel threatened. "

Erwins quote......
So is this what the changes are all about? Play down the Christian roots of this site to get non-believers to come in and then let them know its a Christian forum?

In answer to his question--any non-Christian would feel conned.
But more important--As Christians we are required only to plant the seeds--God couases them to grow. There is no need for tricks to share the faith with non-believers.

Frankly--the Christian faith has no room for compromise. Did Jesus eat and share with sinners? YES but he never ever played down the faith in order to do so.

This whole change thing would be far more honest if it was simply known that this site is no longer a Christian site but a community with a few Chrisitans in it.

Just my opinion......

The site is indeed Christian . Therefore there is no misrepresentation at all. It is governed by clearly defined Christian principals. That is as honest as it gets.

Do I believe the change from CF was needed ? Answer No.

We must at somepoint realize that the change is made and we need to build on the Christian framework that has been provided. Look at the banner. What is wrong with that ? Christ is still here. I think even more than before because we all have had to stand up for Him and make sure Christian principals were put in place.

This is just the beginning also. This is in it's infancy as a new site. The changes have already brought peace to many and it is not over. Just look at the banner of this site. Crosses and pictures of Jesus. How can that ever be construed as playing anything down ? I contend it can't.

I understand your upset with the changes . No one went on the war path any more than I did but we need to pause and recognize we were heard. Be Well Always...

Sun

 

[Nadiine]

The site is indeed Christian . Therefore there is no misrepresentation at all. It is governed by clearly defined Christian principals. That is as honest as it gets.

Do I believe the change from CF was needed ? Answer No.

We must at somepoint realize that the change is made and we need to build on the Christian framework that has been provided. Look at the banner. What is wrong with that ? Christ is still here. I think even more than before because we all have had to stand up for Him and make sure Christian principals were put in place.

This is just the beginning also. This is in it's infancy as a new site. The changes have already brought peace to many and it is not over. Just look at the banner of this site. Crosses and pictures of Jesus. How can that ever be construed as playing anything down ? I contend it can't.

I understand your upset with the changes . No one went on the war path any more than I did but we need to pause and recognize we were heard. Be Well Always...

Sun

We were somewhat heard - and even tho I thank Erwin for hearing and some changes were made, those changes were topical as to the appearance and placment of "CHRISTIAN" terminology.

But the underlying rules support false teachers who can come in as any other "Christian" and preach other gospels without any hinderance or violation.

To me the topical changes are 'throwing us a bone' so we shut up, the REAL dangers are lurking in the refusal to define with any preamble/agreement to at least keep out some of the falsity that this site at least once bothered to do.
THAT is all for the sake of "unifying" - Q. what is erwin unifying? Us with Predators?

So while I understand you're happy to see Erwin "changing" some things, it's by no means SAFE here and what is Christian right now is at risk over time as more people catch wind of the changes and start bringing other doctrines that we can't stop becuz the rules allow them all.

 

[Doubtless]

"What fellowship hath the children of light with the children of darkness?"

Table fellowship.

I'm with Dying2Live4Christ on this one: "Jesus flipped the tables..."

Yes, CaDan, we have table fellowship. But, in trying to be like Jesus, I'm flipping the tables. You might think this is all a joke-that God's in heaven wondering why on earth so many christians are upset that his name was removed from the name of a site (it's just a name, right?!). Wrong. You don't understand the power of names. For instance, just taking the Lord's name in vain will send you to hell, unless you're saved. Now, there's at least one thing worse than taking his name in vain: taking his name away.

Erwin, I'm calling you on your heresies. You're tampering with things far higher than you. Those who play with fire wind up in a lake of it. If you have the gall, answer the charges. If not, plead the fifth, and be condemned.

~Doubtless/Eric

 

[SunMessenger]

We were somewhat heard - and even tho I thank Erwin for hearing and some changes were made, those changes were topical as to the appearance and placment of "CHRISTIAN" terminology.

But the underlying rules support false teachers who can come in as any other "Christian" and preach other gospels without any hinderance or violation.

To me the topical changes are 'throwing us a bone' so we shut up, the REAL dangers are lurking in the refusal to define with any preamble/agreement to at least keep out some of the falsity that this site at least once bothered to do.
THAT is all for the sake of "unifying" - Q. what is erwin unifying? Us with Predators?

So while I understand you're happy to see Erwin "changing" some things, it's by no means SAFE here and what is Christian right now is at risk over time as more people catch wind of the changes and start bringing other doctrines that we can't stop becuz the rules allow them all.

I understand your concern. We have all been looking at this as a change of CF. At least I was and that is what sent me to the war path. Instead this has a whole new meaning to me. This is not just one place or building anymore. This has turned into an entire neighborhood of Worship. As diverse as diverse can be I grant you that. When I walk down my street I am sometimes saddened , sometimes over joyed and sometimes just bored with all the things I see. This is a neighborhood street now. There are Jews, Muslims, Christians etc etc all gathered here in one very large city of FORU.MS. I walk by places of worship of many diverse faiths almost everyday. I do not have to enter each if I choose not too. That is what these forums are like now.

The beauty of it is that everyone must walk by the Christian Church too and decide if they want to enter or not. We Christians here have the least to complain about because we have the advantage. The entire block of forums is governed by Christian principals as it sits decorated under Christian Banners of Praise.

Do I think more is needed ? I sure do. I also have faith it will come in time. I also am very appreciative of what has started to come already.

God Bless Always...

Sun

 

[CaDan]

I'm with Dying2Live4Christ on this one: "Jesus flipped the tables..."

Yes, CaDan, we have table fellowship. But, in trying to be like Jesus, I'm flipping the tables. You might think this is all a joke-that God's in heaven wondering why on earth so many christians are upset that his name was removed from the name of a site (it's just a name, right?!). Wrong. You don't understand the power of names. For instance, just taking the Lord's name in vain will send you to hell, unless you're saved. Now, there's at least one thing worse than taking his name in vain: taking his name away.

Which name? YHWH? Elohim? Adonai? Yeshuah? Iesou?

If you are going to play the name game, you have to know the right name.

Erwin, I'm calling you on your heresies. You're tampering with things far higher than you. Those who play with fire wind up in a lake of it. If you have the gall, answer the charges. If not, plead the fifth, and be condemned.

~Doubtless/Eric

Y'know . . . Dr Loh is a resident of Australia, so he might not be familiar with Fifth Amendment jurisprudence in the United States of America.

As for your accusations, I think it has been given to another to be the Accuser.

For your next trick will you divide the wheat from the tares? Or draw forth Leviathan with a hook?

 

[CaDan]

But the underlying rules support false teachers who can come in as any other "Christian" and preach other gospels without any hinderance or violation.

Yup. You will be able to breach your brand of Christianity, too.

 

[IamRedeemed]

And the answer for me in that regard would be absolutely. The circumstances as they were, were absolutely unacceptable. The deception, the carrot stringing with all of the silly, meaningless, time wasted polls in addition to the heresy, devilish doctrines and blasphemies that were permitted (and as far as I know continue to be) the demonic avatars and signature pics etc, already abounding, (and still are) atheists moderating Christian forums, the removal of the Christian theme of the site as well as moving the Christian forums to the bottom were the straws that clarified the goals of the site and were completely unacceptable to expect that Christians should remained yoked to the site and dedicated to support the secularized, man pleasing direction it was going head over heels.

People can justify with "Christianese" all they want to, their choice to remain, but it doesn't mean they were right. And you should ask yourself if you have been being "Christian" as you have judged them (us) for days, because we took a stand and you set yourself on high. (and are still doing it). praise be to Jim, the exemplary Christian.

Btw, you used the Scripture "the last shall be first and the first shall be last" OUT OF CONTEXT to explain that away, (the Christian forums being moved to the bottom) just thought I would mention it to you.

The Christian thing to do now is, forgive Erwin, as he is apparently being convicted in his spirit and is responding to that correction from the Lord and his very recent efforts should be embraced and encouraged, because they are now heading in the right direction. May the Lord be glorified and magnified.

In Christ,
IamRedeemed

PS.. I do agree with the second half of your post.

This is a good time to sit back and reflect, think back and ask "did I behave the way Christ wanted me to behave?" Our hearts are like a garden and must be kept free from weeds and insects. To expect the fruits and flowers bloom in an untended heart is to misunderstand completely the processes of Grace and God's will. Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance.“We know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, proven character; and . . .” (Rom. 5:3-4). “Knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect (mature) and complete, lacking in nothing” (Jam. 1:3-4).

Did we allow Christ's grace to practice patience? 2 Thessalonians 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts into God's love and Christ's perseverance.

Did we do the following in Colossians 3:12-13 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

We need to find a way to get back into harmony.

I believe it is time for us to bury our regrets and start looking into positive future in this "Foru.ms. We are to "learn" from the past rather than "holding on to the past". It would be nice not to have any regrets. If we had no regrets, we would never grow. Regret is a sign of two things:
1. First, it is a sign of God's working in our lives
2. Second, it is a sign that God wants us to do it different next time

Quotes about "Learning from History".
"What I am great advocate of looking into the past, I could warn everybody against living in the past. The only justification for looking to the past is that we may learn great lessons from it and apply them" (Martyn Lloyd-Jones)

By avoiding the mistakes of the past: "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana)

By repeating the victories of the past: "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned not to repeat it" (David B. Calhoun)

 

[justanobserver]

While on my way to work yesterday, I was talking with God about things and the subject of CF came up with Him. I told God how I was hurting about the warring, the fighting between brother against brother and sister against sister, friends turning onto each other and had this thought come my mind - felt I oughta post it here:

anyone who has been in the program and to the meetings knows this by heart.

this is what I felt on my heart as I talked with God yesterday:

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+3]The Serenity Prayer[/SIZE][/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]God grant me the serenity [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]to accept the things I cannot change; [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]courage to change the things I can;[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]and wisdom to know the difference. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Living one day at a time; [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Enjoying one moment at a time; [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Taking, as He did, this sinful world[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]as it is, not as I would have it; [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Trusting that He will make all things right[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]if I surrender to His Will;[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]That I may be reasonably happy in this life [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]and supremely happy with Him[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Forever in the next.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Amen.[/FONT]

I was gonna post this yesterday but failed to do so. am posting it now.

The words in the prayer I feel apply to all of us at this time.

just wanted to share.

 

[Erwin]

Btw, you used the Scripture "the last shall be first and the first shall be last" OUT OF CONTEXT to explain that away, (the Christian forums being moved to the bottom) just thought I would mention it to you.

Hi

I felt compelled to reply to that bit of it as everyone assumed that I did it for nefarious reasons.

The reason for this was posted here:
http://foru.ms/t5946517-i-know-why-the-faith-section-is-at-the-bottom.html

 

[IamRedeemed]

Precisely. Practice what you preach Jim.
Look at the first sentence in this post, and look over your posts
in the past several days. The brethren were your target practice.

You will get along well with the world if people don't know you are a Christian. Our relationship with other Christians also has to do with evangelism. As Jesus said, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35). Love is the substance of our witness to the world. Understanding what hating what God hates, loving what God loves. Our single greatest testimony to the world is that we love each other.

In what "method" that will keep us from compromises with the world? Romans 12 "Be not conformed to this world." James 1:27, "Friendship with the world is enmity against God." 1 John 2:15, "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world."

We are to maintain personal and relational integrity according to God's standards, not the world's.

 

[JimfromOhio]

And the answer for me in that regard would be absolutely. The circumstances as they were, were absolutely unacceptable. The deception, the carrot stringing with all of the silly, meaningless, time wasted polls in addition to the heresy, devilish doctrines and blasphemies that were permitted (and as far as I know continue to be) the demonic avatars and signature pics etc, already abounding, (and still are) atheists moderating Christian forums, the removal of the Christian theme of the site as well as moving the Christian forums to the bottom were the straws that clarified the goals of the site and were completely unacceptable to expect that Christians should remained yoked to the site and dedicated to support the secularized, man pleasing direction it was going head over heels.

People can justify with "Christianese" all they want to, their choice to remain, but it doesn't mean they were right. And you should ask yourself if you have been being "Christian" as you have judged them (us) for days, because we took a stand and you set yourself on high. (and are still doing it). praise be to Jim, the exemplary Christian.

Btw, you used the Scripture "the last shall be first and the first shall be last" OUT OF CONTEXT to explain that away, (the Christian forums being moved to the bottom) just thought I would mention it to you.

The Christian thing to do now is, forgive Erwin, as he is apparently being convicted in his spirit and is responding to that correction from the Lord and his very recent efforts should be embraced and encouraged, because they are now heading in the right direction. May the Lord be glorified and magnified.

In Christ,
IamRedeemed

PS.. I do agree with the second half of your post.

Nothing wrong about "taking stands" however how we did it was the problem. Its the attitudes are those who magnifies the faults of Erwin and attacking his character. When we argue and disagree, we will know what kind of a Christian each of us are and what kind of a heart we have. We always argue over things that we consider what appear to be "compromising" the Scriptures. A Christian life in this world should be different from the world, being in the world but not of the world.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Precisely. Practice what you preach Jim.
Look at the first sentence in this post, and look over your posts
in the past several days. The brethren were your target practice.

I am speaking up as much as you and others were speaking up.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Thank you for your post Erwin. I was actually just pointing out the misuse there of Scripture (the last shall be first and the first last) that was used, with the intent to bring some Biblical validation to it by a member.

I did believe the intent was nefarious though, in regards to the Christian Forums being moved to the bottom. I apologize for that conclusion, which in my defense, was easy to come to in light of everything else.

I am glad you decided that, it was a bad idea though and corrected it.

Since I have your attention... and I appreciate your time, are you going to allow the demonic avatars and sigs to continue to be allowed? Especially by those identifying themselves with a Christian symbol while claiming to have been elected by God to be the bride of satan while displaying a demonic being in their sig?

Yes, there is such a situation here.

(as well as Wiccans etc., who display the pentagram for an avatar.)

Hi

I felt compelled to reply to that bit of it as everyone assumed that I did it for nefarious reasons.

The reason for this was posted here:
http://foru.ms/t5946517-i-know-why-the-faith-section-is-at-the-bottom.html

 

[IamRedeemed]

And you can still be in the wrong and contradict yourself in the same post, can't you?

I am speaking up as much as you and others were speaking up.