Beast said:
It's amazing to me that Christians are continually complaining that people hate them or have oppressed them in the past or don't treat them well.
A bit melodramitic here dont you think? " Christians in general think and say no such thing.
Yet when nonChristians ask to be treated as equals, look what happens!
I see more of it that way than the other. Can you show me one bible verse that says christians and non christians will be treated exactly the same way by God when its all said and done? Christians and non christians arent equal when it comes to salvation and the gospel is first and foremost to a christian as it should be - not the lack of. I think you keep forgetting where you are - this is a christian website not a country and not a democracy. There will be no democracy in heaven. I would love to see you there but im not going to lie to you and say youll get there as one who rejects Christ and neither will one who follows a God other than Christ. Thats the bottom line. No one will get there for being good or moral (however they define moral). God is who defines.
Apparently the majority of Christians can't stand the idea of treating nonChristians as equals.
Unless you know the majority of christians this statement is ludicrous.
Though of lesser consequence (at present), it's reminiscent of how slaves must have felt in America before the Emancipation Proclamation. Some people wanted slaves to be seen as and treated as people, and others, couldn't stand the idea. They screamed that if blacks were treated just like whites, there would be murders, crimes and persecution of whites. They cautioned everyone that the blacks would "take over".
Another misplaced out of context appeal to emotion that doesnt even come close to being representative of the situation on a private membership website.
Well here we are again, almost 150-years later and we see that at least one segment of the population hasn't learned a thing. Christians are now shouting that if nonChristians receive the same treatment Christians receive, their entire way of life, (so far as the web site goes), will crumble away beneath them.
no one has stated any such thing. This is pure melodrama and more emotional appeals that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread or discussion.
And if that's the case, then it's a system which should crumble away
Only if that were the case which it isnt.
You have to start learning to treat people like people. You don't treat them like Jews, or pagans, or Muslims or Atheists. Treat us like people. That's what we are. We are no less people than you are, despite our difference of beliefs.
This is a christian board. There are christians and non believers. We are asking for the rules of the board and its ministry to be designed with that purpose in mind. Everyone is not the same in that capacity and thats what is being discussed here. Again i think you might be forgetting that this is a christian site not a secular one. your argument is out of context to what is being discussed.
For all of those who wonder why Christians aren't treated well, it's not because of some biblical prophecy, it's not because we don't like the color of your hair, your car, the size of your church or the symbol you so often wear around your neck. It's not even because you don't want to treat others the way you would be treated yourself. It's because so many of you honestly believe that you have been bestowed with a greater sense of entitlement.
Well yes, believers are saved from the second death and will pass from death into life and have been born of the Spirit. That is a greater sense of entitlement any way its sliced, i wont lie to you. However you forget we would all like you also to have the same entitlement but that ultimately is your choice to make. If you continue to reject it - you cannot blame anyone but you. Christ offers it to all. I am sorry that it upsets you that we have chosen to receive it even when you can also.
Secondly no , we cannot treat non believers as if they are saved when they are not. We cannot as believers if we care about the state of your soul allow you or anyone else who has not received Christ to believe you are a ok and will be a ok when its all said and done. We can respect each other however we cannot see you as a believer no matter how much you would like us to. We are charged by God to share the gospel and make disciples not to say you are a ok as you are without Christ.
You actually believe that you're better than all nonChristians. You can't stand the idea of not being treated better than all of those around you.
Well this is completely false. A christian understands they are saved by Gods grace alone. I am no better than you - i am a sinner who is saved only through the blood of Christ.
That's why you're treated with such hatred by some -- because that's what you emanate -- hatred.
If you feel this justifies how you treat others then thats on you. If someone treats me with hatred its on them. I know who I serve and its Him. He says we will be hated for His sake and i fully expect it.
You simply can't love your neighbor while you're treating them as less than yourself.
Less and different isnt the same.
Loving your neighbor is not the same as loving your pet where you allow it in your house but feed it cheaper food, wouldn't allow it on the furniture with you or even leave it tied up in the yard while you rest comfortably in your home. We're not animals and we're not lesser beings than you. If you keep treating us as lesser beings, you'll not only prove that you deserve the poor treatment you've received, you'll prove that none of what Christianity is supposed to mean really matters to you at all. It's all about elitism and entitlement.
Guilt trips dont work on me. This is an out of context appeal to emotion that doesnt represent the reality overall of what is happening in this thread.
Is it any wonder so many of us come to this site and walk away in sickened disgust?
Considering you have been expressing your disgust for christians here for some time now may I ask why you havent walked away then? Your disdain for anything christian is obvious on a daily basis here. Im not sure why you think that constantly attempting to apply emotional guilt trips will change a believer into thinking they should serve man instead of God. I really dont see that happening and it hasnt worked when many before you have attempted to turn the church away from God.
So keep it up. Keep treating everyone else like we're your inferiors and keep complaining that others don't treat you well. Perhaps when you've pushed so far that the only place left for you are isolated communities where you can live in the mistaken belief that you're superior to everyone else, some of you will begin to wonder.
Its not working. We dont think we are superior and this has been explained ad nauseum. This is just more off topic emotional appeal that has nothing to do with the real situation. Context please. Thank you.
How does that attract non-believers, exactly?
