At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[MartinM]

How can those in charge of the ministry not be witnesses? If they do not believe Jesus is God, then how can they fulfill the desires of the ministry? They can't!

Moderators are not in charge. They enforce the rules; they do not make them, and they cannot break them.

 

[justanobserver]

So, being a moderator is 2 things... that go hand n hand... janitorial and ministerial. That is why only Christians should be moderators. But at the same time, those who are not Christians should still be able to serve CF in some other capacity. Why? Because all of us who are apart of this community should serve in some capacity or another.

not to derail or to take off topic but there was this othe idea suggested not long ago...

http://www.christianforums.com/t5692373-moderator-assistants.html

just an idea only is all. but perhaps it could help be one of the bridges over that gap thats widening here.

 

[heymikey80]

It's those with the extreme attitudes (in all directions) that need to be dissuaded from holding moderator positions. This is a truism whatever religious beliefs any may hold.

It's not a truism of Christian thought. What if the assertions of Christian thought shift to something rather different ...?

"Better you enter Heaven with an eye gouged out than be sent whole into the fires of Hell."

"He who's not for Me is against Me."

"Zeal for Your house has consumed me."

"I never knew you."

 

[Grizzly]

Why? What relevance does it have to their jobs? The rules are the rules, regardless.



Because they were good at the job? IIDB has Christian mods, I believe.

IIDB does have Christian mods, as well as other mods that hold a variety of theistic beliefs. Even though the stated goal of Secweb (of which IIDB is its discussion board name) is the advancement of metaphysical naturalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_naturalism

For a long time, there were no theistic moderators at IIDB. I was an administrator there when we decided to allow theists to be mods. There was alot of "discussion" about the pros and cons of this, and a good number of people left IIDB when we (with support of our board of directors) decided to give it a try.

Why did we allow those who were, by definition, opposed to metaphysical naturalism to moderate at IIDB? After a long discussion, it was decided that allowing theists to moderate at IIDB was not at odds with our stated principles. The rules that govern our discussion board can be applied enforced by anyone with the temperment and time to do so. Plus, theistic mods provide a good "balance" in the moderators conference room and in decisions made around actions that pertain to theist and atheist debates.

So far, I believe the experiment has worked fairly well.

Now, having said that, I must also state that just because it works at IIDB, doesn't necessarily mean it can work here. If the majoroty of the members have to value reasonableness and here see moderators as simply those that keep the peace, then perhaps it can work here. However, if members here see moderators as also those who are in some kind of religious authority over others, then of course being a member of that religion should certainly be a requirment.

 

[Lisa0315]

QFT!

I haven't weighed in on the poll yet, nor have I voted. I think both options are flawed, and I don't expect to cast a vote given the options available.

I feel the same way, but I finally came off the fence when I realized that the choice to return back to old CF was winning. I have no idea how binding this poll may be, but I am not going to hold my breath that it will only be used as a "tool" to get an idea of what people want either.

Lisa

 

[Inan3]

What he means is that seperating Christians and non Christians on this forum is discriminatory.

Heaven is also discriminatory. You won't find any non believers there. If it's good enough for the Lord, it's good enough for me.

I believe Christians need a place to gather and grow together. It's good to have a place where the Christian Community can work out it's own differences without the world looking on incapable of understanding what is going on. They are not born again they cannot "see", "perceive", or "understand" what we are talking about and quite frankly I do not think it IS a good witness."

Also, a little leaven leaventh the whole bunch. As is seen by this very vote....it is already beginning to deteriorate, the leaven is growing. First to a safe community with a heavy and strong christian influence then down to a moderate christian influence and then a light christian influence and then.......There goes the Christian Community and once again we Christians are kicked out. We need to stand for what we have and make it better.

One more wee little thing. I just sent support to CF thinking I was supporting a Christian Project. I would hate to see it turn away from that and eventually become something I would not want to support. And as a side note: if lack of support is the reason they need to consider change then we as the Christian Community need to support this site. But wait till after the decision is made. I also, think that CF needs to put it out there if that is the case.

My vote is Option #2 Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

 

[GraceInHim]

forgot to mention

Ravenscape ROCKS as mod!

 

[UncleClint]

Apparently, only certain things and certain posters are allowed here.

 

[Grizzly]

It's not a truism of Christian thought. What if the assertions of Christian thought shift to something rather different ...?

"Better you enter Heaven with an eye gouged out than be sent whole into the fires of Hell."

"He who's not for Me is against Me."

"Zeal for Your house has consumed me."

"I never knew you."

Of course, these are not the attitudes that I speak of. And these are hardly extreme - these beliefs are revered by the vast majority of people in my country.

No, the extreme attitudes I speak of are those of a different sort. The kind of attitudes I speak of are those that would make for a poor moderate - arrogance, impatience, callousness, belief they can do no wrong or are somehow perfect. These are the attitudes that must be avoided when selecting a moderator.

I mean, there is a reason they call it a moderate-or position.

 

[kimber1]

QFT!

I haven't weighed in on the poll yet, nor have I voted. I think both options are flawed, and I don't expect to cast a vote given the options available.

ravenscape ROCKS as mod!

forgot to mention

Ravenscape ROCKS as mod!

lol, i was waiting for her to post so i could quote her

 

[justanobserver]

With all due respect D'Ann, I feel that a good moderator would know when to refer such religious questions or prayer issues to the appropriate help. Also there are some non religious, non spiritual areas of the board such as fellowship areas that a non Christian mod could be an asset. GBU all

well put. those that have great concerns about non christian Mods, have any taken the time to PM or chat with the supervisors/admin types of each section that the Mod got selected for? read their applications to see how they feel or think? or read the Q&A that was posted in the respective areas of application to see how each one responded?

 

[ravenscape]

I feel the same way, but I finally came off the fence when I realized that the choice to return back to old CF was winning. I have no idea how binding this poll may be, but I am not going to hold my breath that it will only be used as a "tool" to get an idea of what people want either.

Lisa

Maybe I'll come around to that point of view before the 3rd. Right now, I feel it's better to advocate staying out of the weeds.

 

[Lisa0315]

I have a question.

How many YEARS was CF closed to atheists as staff?

Do those who support new CF not get more than 3 weeks to see if this experiment works?

Lisa

 

[JimfromOhio]

I think Erwin should start another poll. I think I have learned something after seeing so many posts. I am sure there are other people who are like me that want to change the vote.

 

[FriendsFellowship]

I think Erwin should start another poll. I think I have learned something after seeing so many posts. I am sure there are other people who are like me that want to change the vote.

Are you saying if you voted now you would vote differently?

 

[A New Dawn]

i disagree, respectfully. there's no reason why if a seeker happened to inquire from a nonChristian mod that that mod couldn't send them to a Christian mod and get the help they were looking for. none whatsoever.

But will they? This is not meant as a slur, but a serious question. If someone PMs an atheist (or non-Christian) mod with problems they want to talk about, will they (the mod), unconditionally, send that person to a Christian mod or one of the chaplains? I am sure there will be the temptation to try to handle the issues themselves.

 

[Lisa0315]

I think Erwin should start another poll. I think I have learned something after seeing so many posts. I am sure there are other people who are like me that want to change the vote.

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR EVERLOVING MIND?

Don't you know that if Erwin closes that poll now with the Choice 2 in the lead, that there will be accusations of the basest kinds? It will be said that it was closed only because the "wrong" choice was in the lead, and PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT!

Lisa

 

[FriendsFellowship]

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR EVERLOVING MIND?

Don't you know that if Erwin closes that poll now with the Choice 2 in the lead, that there will be accusations of the basest kinds? It will be said that it was closed only because the "wrong" choice was in the lead, and PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT!

Lisa

I would believe it

 

[ScottBot]

I think Erwin should start another poll. I think I have learned something after seeing so many posts. I am sure there are other people who are like me that want to change the vote.

I'm not voting because I think both options suck.

I like PaladinValer's suggestion about 10 pages back (roughtly 5 minutes ago)

 

[JimfromOhio]

Are you saying if you voted now you would vote differently?

Yep.. you learn alot after seeing over 1,000 posts.