Harry Potter: Blasphemy or not?

[ChildOfGod123]

Shalom,

Interesting last post,

I say interesting because I started a thread asking for input on Disney material and it is pretty much that nobody sees any harm in it ( Disney).

The other day our son put Bedknobs & Broomsticks on and I just heard the music and my spirit was alerted.

I let the movie run and watched carefully. The part near the end about getting the medallion that holds the key words to the spell

Treguna Mekoiedes Trecorum Satis Dee

The results I got so far on this is that it is related to Ashtoreth and was a real spell. This is not imagination.

So why would such a spell just happen to end up in a children’s movie that is considered “safe and harmless?”

Stick with me a moment here.

What if? Your children are reciting this spell with the movie, has anyone slowed the movie down to check for subliminal messaging? This too is real and that is why it has been banned in advertising. Who checks for all that?

So just – what if?

Is it still harmless?

I am going to post this on the Disney thread too.

God Bless you

Shalom

I commend you for your post! Sometimes the most dangerous influence is the one you are not aware of. People: books, music, and TV shows "harmless" or not will make an affect on your mind! Take care in what you indulge in. Avoid the very appearance of evil.

 

[Ryukil]

I commend you for your post! Sometimes the most dangerous influence is the one you are not aware of. People: books, music, and TV shows "harmless" or not will make an affect on your mind! Take care in what you indulge in. Avoid the very appearance of evil.

Indeed.

 

[AndrewCS]

(Yes, a bit more humor because it keeps me in a better mood instead of avoiding Christians until I'm old enough to forget fantasy stories, which will likely be never.)

Sorry, i thought this was a forum for Christians

 

[GeraldNC]

All forums are open to Christians and non-Christians now. (I think it was all) There's a sticky post about it at the top of the forums.

 

[AndrewCS]

All forums are open to Christians and non-Christians now. (I think it was all) There's a sticky post about it at the top of the forums.

Ok, thanks for that.

In that case apologies to all those non- Christians that I have offended in any of my posts as they were written in the understanding that a forum titled Christian Forums was for that reason.

So in future I will address my posts to my brothers & sisters in Christ and that should take care of any confusion I trust.

My trust is in the Lord.

Blessings

 

[Kitangel]

I shouldnt really keep posting here, as I know nothing's probably going to come of it - but hey.

A little thing bugging me, is that superheroes had a completey different type of "magic" as HP. I see the point you're trying to get across, but children have a very hard time defining reality from fantasy. You know children want to be involved in something out of the norm - reading about them is the first step. Things like Bridge to Terabithia - kids think "wouldnt it be great if WE could swing across a rope and go to a different world, a diferent dimension - a different life".
That is, after all, why films and books are made that way. Everyone enjoys those kind of stories.
Children like to say "yeah, I wish that could happen to me"

I don't know if that made much sense (in my head it does, but typing it out came out a bit wonky), but a one sentence answer wold have to be: Children cant easily define reality from fantasy, and to let them mix the boundaries on things that involve WITCHCRAFT is dangerous.

And in the sense of real places, well, when I was in London I went to Paddington Station - where platform 9 3/4 was set. Flying Cars fits under Magic (duh) so of course its not going to be real. But the landmarks mentioned are. "Wow, I know where that is!" or "I live 2 towns away from that!".
Those are real life distinctions, easily made.

 

[Kitangel]

Its not easy to point out Gondor on a map of England

 

[Kitangel]

Its not easy to point out Gondor on a map of England.

I didn't know that the threads were now open to all and one.

My comments are primarily based towards christians, as they're sipritually directed. This is a matter of Religion, not Logic.

So, apologies to all non christians who I offend or confuse.

 

[Keeda]

Sorry, i thought this was a forum for Christians

This is a Christian based forum. Apparently the point of what I was saying went entirely over your head and never skipped a beat. I do believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ and have a faith far deeper than I can even begin to express through a keyboard. My point was it often makes me feel ashamed and embarrassed to even slightly express my beliefs because of topics like this that say the things they do and attack the way that they do. Why is it so difficult for many in one of the supposed most forgiving, most loving religions to accept the differences in opinion and beliefs?

I find your post highly offensive and deliberately rude. May God grant you some respect and general understanding of the world in which you live. I thank God I've already made my choices, and found my own beliefs because I would have walked away from Christianity altogether if that's how I was going to be treated.

 

[Keeda]

In that case apologies to all those non- Christians that I have offended in any of my posts as they were written in the understanding that a forum titled Christian Forums was for that reason.

So in future I will address my posts to my brothers & sisters in Christ and that should take care of any confusion I trust.

So sad to see what this topic is turning into but it leads directly to another question. Why would you only have this conversation with already established Christians? If non-Christians are curious about what the fuss is all about, why would you apparently walk away from that conversation?

I'd as some much deeper questions along those lines but this isn't the place for it, so I'll leave my questions based on the topic already at hand.

 

[AndrewCS]

This is a Christian based forum. Apparently the point of what I was saying went entirely over your head and never skipped a beat. I do believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ and have a faith far deeper than I can even begin to express through a keyboard. My point was it often makes me feel ashamed and embarrassed to even slightly express my beliefs because of topics like this that say the things they do and attack the way that they do. Why is it so difficult for many in one of the supposed most forgiving, most loving religions to accept the differences in opinion and beliefs?

I find your post highly offensive and deliberately rude. May God grant you some respect and general understanding of the world in which you live. I thank God I've already made my choices, and found my own beliefs because I would have walked away from Christianity altogether if that's how I was going to be treated.

I think you have jumped the gun here a tad.

If you look at my comment I put a wink icon after it.

That was in response that you mentioned you had a sense of humour so I responded to that with humour.

In essence here we are as adults misunderstanding a discussion on a forum so how can we expect children to discern right from wrong if they are exposed to magic.

God Bless you and I trust you accept my explanation and if you felt it hurt you I ask you to forgive me as I am sorry if that was the case. I am merely a man and I can suggest to you that man would & will put you off Christianity, it did for me in the past. I am still learning to understand really putting my trust in Him as man will let you down.

Again I say I ask your forgiveness if you feel I have let you down as a representative of Christ.

Blessings.

 

[Kitangel]

Keeda, some of the points you adress are deeper than a debate for Harry Potter, and should be discussed in another forum. Its all very well to say "love everyone and never berate, question or rebate their ideas". Truthfully, you'd be loving them all the way to hell if you did that. Practicality - like witnessing - is part of the package. In some ways, this HP debate fits into that. It has both practicality and spirituality in it.

 

[Keeda]

I think you have jumped the gun here a tad.

If you look at my comment I put a wink icon after it.

That was in response that you mentioned you had a sense of humour so I responded to that with humour.

I accept your apology but owe you one as well. I took your response as a blunt and rude sarcasm, wink and all.

Keeda, some of the points you adress are deeper than a debate for Harry Potter, and should be discussed in another forum. Its all very well to say "love everyone and never berate, question or rebate their ideas". Truthfully, you'd be loving them all the way to hell if you did that. Practicality - like witnessing - is part of the package. In some ways, this HP debate fits into that. It has both practicality and spirituality in it.

I think debates are awesome actually. You can learn so much about the world and your own thoughts even that you might have not discovered before. But it's only when both parties go in as a learning experience not a bashing to throw your point around. And the topic must be one that anyone in on the debate understands. So much of the bashing about it being evil and what not comes from those that never looked twice at it. So if they've never looked at it, what are they basing it off of? What others have said? Opinions others have formed?

Certainly we should witness to those that are willing to hear. But that doesn't give us the right to throw Christianity into people's faces and beat it into them either. Same with beating personal opinions of their faith into other Christians.

I'm not saying my point of view on the Harry Potter topic is factual nor should it be what everyone follows. I completely understand those that believe it's not for them and something they should avoid, following what they perceive the bible to read. But I challenge people to have a better argument than just "whitchcraft is evil." If you're going to come out and call something I'm fond of evil and say Christians should be avoiding it, I want to hear a darn good reason for it. There are some that have put up their views and have a good base to back it up and I say cheers to them too, even if I don't agree. What gets me is those that come out simply to say I'm reading/watching works of the devil and I'm going to end up being some corrupt Sorcerer because of it. I do apologize if I've led this topic off on some tangent or offended anyone at all, it's not my intention. You've all made your choices on how you view Harry Potter and the rest of the world, what's so difficult about accepting others that have done the same, just with a different outcome?

 

[Kitangel]

I do accept what others think - maybe it just got me hyped up because of some of the silly things said. Other people are definitely entitled to their opinions - after all, debating in a forum is so blooming useless because everyone is either different denom, therefore different teachings, or too adamant about their ideal of the "right" message and ideas from God.

For me, I dont particularly like HP. Its not a die hard wish to see it all scraped off the face of the Earth, though. For a long time I thought what you think - that HP is just a story, what harm can come of it? Well, I rethought, and came up with the conclusion u see today.

I agree we shoudn't rub our beliefs in other peoples faces! imagine what would happen if a muslim or such came up and tried to bully you into acceptiong their religion! But we dont sit back, go La de Da and watch the world go by.

Well, tell me what u think, anyway

 

[AndrewCS]

Certainly we should witness to those that are willing to hear. But that doesn't give us the right to throw Christianity into people's faces and beat it into them either. Same with beating personal opinions of their faith into other Christians.

As I said earlier I truly did not understand that this was a forum for non Christians too. I erred in that I just took it as one.

This makes it even more difficult to express and exchange our thoughts but in the bigger picture is awesome.

As Christians we actually have a duty to bring a matter to our brother or sister if we see them slipping. This is scriptural. This task becomes much harder if we have non Christians asking why.

So really I saw ( past tense) this forum as a great place for Christians to grow and share their growth that it may help others to grow.

If I ask myself the question, what do I want to get out of this forum?

I want to learn and I want to share what I have learnt and in doing so being part of the Kingdom of Christ and being obedient to Him.

I have in a short space of time in this forum received wonderful input and guidance and forging some spiritual friendships. I attempt to give out not just to receive and I sense God flowing through me in the process. I feel it in my blood and this brings me joy and a worn out keyboard.

Blessings

 

[Kitangel]

Yay for worn out keyboards!!!

 

[AndrewCS]

Yay for worn out keyboards!!!

Yes sister,

and worn out knees too

Blessings

 

[Kitangel]

worn out knees for GOOD reasons!
Walking up mountains or trail hiking does NOT count!

 

[AndrewCS]

worn out knees for GOOD reasons!
Walking up mountains or trail hiking does NOT count!

Oh yeah sister, on my knees for Him.

Bless you

 

[AndrewCS]

Shalom,

My brothers & sisters in Christ. I just want to share today’s daily bread. It is so pertinent for me this day and I believe God is speaking to us all that are within the Body of Christ

May this message bless you

http://www.ubf.org/daily_bread_view.php?date=1184987398

STAND FIRM​

Luke 21:7-19

Friday, July 20​

Key Verse: 21:19
1. Do not be deceived (1-9)
The destruction of the temple sounded like the end of the world to Jesus' disciples. They asked Jesus, "When?" and, "What signs?" Jesus' answer tells us how to live in a world that is in rebellion against God. Jesus warned that before the end of the age comes, many false prophets will arise to lead God's people astray. We should not listen to anyone who claims to be Christ, and we should not put our hope in people or in the false security of material things.

2. I will give you words and wisdom (10-19)
There will be many fearful events, including wars, earthquakes, famines, etc. Insurance will not protect us. The real danger, however, will come from those we thought we could trust--family, friends, religious people. Jesus says that we should witness to them. He promises to give us his word and wisdom to do so. If we stand firm on Jesus' side, we will gain life.
Prayer: Lord, help me not to be deceived, but to witness to Jesus and to stand firm.

One Word: Stand firm on God's side