Interesting Hadith!

[Secundulus]

The true source of Mohammeds verses

Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 814:

Narrated Anas: There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."
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[Job_s_First_Son]

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"[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground)." End of 814
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[LittleLambofJesus]

<B>Interesting Hadith!


The true source of Mohammeds verses

Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 814:

Narrated Anas: There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."​

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"[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground)." End of 814[/FONT]

What can I say but Oy Vey!!!!!! LOL.

 

[dnihila]

If the monkey jumps I will laugh but if I see some religious people making a game of creating a lie I would say it is not funny at all.
the monk , the preist must be a source of information not an album for no pictures to keep???
Shame on the careless

 

[Secundulus]

If the monkey jumps I will laugh but if I see some religious people making a game of creating a lie I would say it is not funny at all.
the monk , the preist must be a source of information not an album for no pictures to keep???
Shame on the careless

This is straight out of the Hadith by Bukhari. It is from the database at the University of Southern California. You may view it here.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/

If you say that I am making this up, then please post what that particular Hadith actually says.

 

[Job_s_First_Son]

I think she is saying you are taking it out of context to basically lie.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think she is saying you are taking it out of context to basically lie.

That is the same thing we say to the Muslims when they quote our Bible.

 

[peaceful soul]

That is the same thing we say to the Muslims when they quote our Bible.

We know that, but they don't. It is permissible for them since they need to validate their religion and book. It is not a double standard--only an Islamic standard from their POV. Their belief in Islam and Mohammad being announced in the Bible allows them to alter all of the rules of reaoning, logic, and exegesis so that their claims can have equal or more weight than the context would naturally allow if read without their a priori and fallacious methods.

 

[français]

Wow, this was posted at noon and only one muslim so far has replied.. Interesting! LOL usually they come to us in like drones it seems LOL.

Anyways dhilia this is not a lie. Go look it up at the hadeeths yourself. It is there.

Yet more proof that islam is false!! LOL I guess that the uthman wasn't too great at trying to hide things like this!!

 

[peaceful soul]

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 814:

Narrated Anas:

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There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground).​

The question is whether Allah caused him to die because of what he claimed (which would give credence that his statement was false) or whether he just died for some other reason (which would add weight to the OP).

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Any comments on which view is likely to be true? Or are there other possibilities?​

 

[Secundulus]

The question is whether Allah caused him to die because of what he claimed (which would give credence that his statement was false) or whether he just died for some other reason (which would add weight to the OP).
Any comments on which view is likely to be true? Or are there other possibilities?
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The Hadith doesn't say that what he said was false. It simply claims that he said it and that he died.

 

[peaceful soul]

The Hadith doesn't say that what he said was false. It simply claims that he said it and that he died.

That is what I see too. I was entertaining the possibility that Allah killed him for what he said, which would make the man appear to be a liar. I was trying to be fair by looking at both sides. Unless there is another part that we don't have, we can't really say much else.

Thanks.

 

[kiwimac]

Wow, this was posted at noon and only one muslim so far has replied.. Interesting! LOL usually they come to us in like drones it seems LOL.

Anyways dhilia this is not a lie. Go look it up at the hadeeths yourself. It is there.

Yet more proof that islam is false!! LOL I guess that the uthman wasn't too great at trying to hide things like this!!

When we quote OUT OF CONTEXT we lie. End of story!

 

[Secundulus]

From: http://www.islamonline.net/English/HadithAndItsSciences/MenofHadith/2005/03/02.shtml


Imam Al-Bukhari ranks as one of the most eminent scholars who have conferred endless bliss upon the Ummah. The greatest evidence of this is the book of Hadith he compiled, commonly known as Sahih Al-Bukhari, which is universally acknowledged as the most authentic book after the Qur’an.

 

[peaceful soul]

When we quote OUT OF CONTEXT we lie. End of story!

I totally agree! The issue from my view is whether the man died because of what he said or for some other reason. If it is not because of what he said, then there is noting to prevent us from making the conclusion that this was a true statement in context of the passage. There may be other possibilities as well.

 

[Secundulus]

When we quote OUT OF CONTEXT we lie. End of story!

The entire verse is quoted. There is no other context.

 

[Futuwwa]

It says that the Christian guy wrote down revelations for Muhammed, it doesn't say that the Christian guy actually invented the stuff. Simple, he was one of Muhammed's many secretaries!

Secundulus, do you know who Anas ibn Malik is? One of the #¤%&@£$ companions of Muhammed, one of the most loyal Muslims of his age! Do you think he would have been that if he himself would have believed that Muhammed got his revelations from somewhere else?

 

[peaceful soul]

It says that the Christian guy wrote down revelations for Muhammed, it doesn't say that the Christian guy actually invented the stuff. Simple, he was one of Muhammed's many secretaries!

Secundulus, do you know who Anas ibn Malik is? One of the #¤%&@£$ companions of Muhammed, one of the most loyal Muslims of his age! Do you think he would have been that if he himself would have believed that Muhammed got his revelations from somewhere else?

It also does not say that he didn't invent it. The passage is ambiguous. There are many ways to look at it. Without more information, it is difficult to conclude exactly what it means.

 

[Futuwwa]

Yep. But you have to admit, the idea that one of Muhammed's most diehard followers would freely admit that it's all a sham does smell a bit fishy?

 

[français]

Yep. But you have to admit, the idea that one of Muhammed's most diehard followers would freely admit that it's all a sham does smell a bit fishy?

Ah, not really. As we know, the hadeeths are oral tradition that were eventually written down. And, I am assuming that if bukhari thought it had a pretty accurate transmission, then he wrote it down.

there are some hadeeths where mohammad sort of went overboard on punishments, and some of his companions asked him not to do this or that. Certainly, one might expect that someone would want to not include that, because it makes mohammad look weak, or as if he's giving in to something. But, of course they still put it in the hadeeths!

In ibn ishaqs biography of mohammad, ibn ishaq writes how satan possessed mohammad for a time, and this and that. I'm sure that many muslims are embarrassed to read such. But, ibn ishaq was just being honest!