Was Mary without sin?

[sunlover1]

I is a rhetorical "all" used to make a point about the need to stop depending on ther Mosaic law and to follow Jesus. It is not an absolute dogmatic ruling

And this one too?

Romans 3:10-12
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

[Iollain]

I is a rhetorical "all" used to make a point about the need to stop depending on ther Mosaic law and to follow Jesus. It is not an absolute dogmatic ruling

Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

It is because of Adam, the whole race of Adam, even a new babe who has just been born, and dies, has sinned. Where? Adam's sin. Why? Cause all are from Adam, all were there in Adam, all would sin against God if they grew old enough to do so, all of us are not perfect. Except the Word made flesh, hell could not hold Him, He is the Son of God and the Word of God.

However i do believe there are some who are better than others, like Job, John the Baptist, Mary, Abraham, and others. They are up there above as far as humans go, but they are still missing the mark, or whatever you want to call it, they still have warred against the flesh and came out on the Sheol side. Not at all like Christ, the Word of God made flesh, hell could not hold Him legally as He is the Son of God and the Word of God, the Perfection of God and the Creator of all. Satan legally killed Him because He was human/Adam, but hell and death could not legally hold Him down like the rest of us.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I believe that only Jesus never sinned. I think that Mary sinned (maybe much less than other people), because she wasn't perfect. Only God is perfect, and we've all fallen short of His glory. However, she was a very righteous, godly woman, and showed extraordinary obedience. She's a great example of a Christian, but I don't think it says in the Bible that she was perfect.

 

[jckstraw72]

i believe that as the wood of the Ark of the Covenant was overlaid with gold and so was made holy, so Mary, the new Ark, when overshadowed with the "gold" of the Holy Spirit, taking God Himself into her body, became pure, living sinlessly from then on. before this she was the most pure human, but I tend to believe she sinned at least once.

 

[Axion]

Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

So ALL men have died have they? What about Enoch and Elijah? It seems then that "ALL" doesn't mean "every single person without exception," does it?

 

[Hentenza]

So ALL men have died have they? What about Enoch and Elijah? It seems then that "ALL" doesn't mean "every single person without exception," does it?

Are you disagreeing with the apostle Paul? Was Enoch and Elijah free of sin? Can you offer biblical proof that anyone other than Jesus was sinless beside Adam and Eve before the fall?

 

[Kepha]

And this one too?

Romans 3:10-12
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

You are snipping that passage out of context to make it fit your defence. That verse was talking about not any man being righteous by the works of the law but only by Faith and the Grace from God which indeed applied to The Blessed Virgin Mary.

 

[Uphill Battle]

If a vesel is full of "something", can anything else be in it?

Forgive me...

yep. Fill a jar full of Rocks, it's full of rocks, yet you can pour in sand. Now it's full of rocks and sand, full, right? but you can pour in water, and it will go in too.

IAA,

You are confusing the IC dogma with Mary's sinlessness. Everyone in Christendom believed she was sinless her whole life but not everyone agrees with the Catholic Church's explanation of how she was made sinless, which is what the IC is, an explanation, not if she was or wasn't.

Of course she was... so you can stop looking for the ECF who disputed it, there are none. You won't find any.

I'd like ANY proof of what is bolded is remotely true. I'm sorry, but just because the CC says this is true, doesn't make it so. It isn't even something that can be remotely verified.

So ALL men have died have they? What about Enoch and Elijah? It seems then that "ALL" doesn't mean "every single person without exception," does it?

AS usual, when there is an exception to the rule, it's noted in scripture. Both of these men have a record of being "exempt" from physical death. There is no such biblical record for Mary. You cannot compare them.

You are snipping that passage out of context to make it fit your defence. That verse was talking about not any man being righteous by the works of the law but only by Faith and the Grace from God which indeed applied to The Blessed Virgin Mary.

there is No-one righteous means just that. No, Not, one. AS usual, when there is an exception to the rule, it's noted in scripture. The only exception given is Christ Jesus. Scripture states that he was sinless, and none other.

 

[Uphill Battle]

i believe that as the wood of the Ark of the Covenant was overlaid with gold and so was made holy, so Mary, the new Ark, when overshadowed with the "gold" of the Holy Spirit, taking God Himself into her body, became pure, living sinlessly from then on. before this she was the most pure human, but I tend to believe she sinned at least once.

Isn't that contrary to the position of EO considering Mary Blameless? Confuzzeled.... just need clarification.