Just what is satan capable of. 2 Cor 11

[simonthezealot]

Those were his demons. Hey, thought you knew all about when you're looking at bad stuff.

Bad stuff, like misplaced venerations to "fatima vision Mary"?

 

[simonthezealot]

Bad stuff, like misplaced venerations to "fatima vision Mary"?

Any plea, prayer, or praise addressed to any human being in order to derive supernatural power is occultism.

The more one believes in these things, the more power he receives from the Devil. In the end-time, the Bible says the delusion will be so strong that the masses of people will unconditionally accept the demonic activity as from God. Thus, the Apostle Paul writes...

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"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." [2nd Thessalonians 2:9-12]

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The Bible warns us to use extreme caution where signs, miracles and the supernatural is concerned, with these words,

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"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [II Timothy 4:3-4]

 

[Latreia]

What we have here is a Zealot Roll....


No, I am not Latreia, you must be mistaken.

 

[PassthePeace1]

irritating
Thanks...
But seriously, Fatima is a worthy discussion, I know of even Ant. Bened. fathers whom outright say this is of Satan!
So yes these are spirits worthy of testing...

Who are "Ant. Bened. fathers"?

 

[simonthezealot]

Who are "Ant. Bened. fathers"?

American orthodox...
antonite? benedectine fathaers

 

[simonthezealot]

Rick Salbato Unity pubs; POV
http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/FatimaBook.html

 

[benedictine]

I find this hard to believe. Mary was said to appear at the:

The Apparitions at Fatima (1916-1917)

The Apparitions at Pontevedra (1925-1926)

The Apparition at Tuy (1929)


Following these apparitions of Mary, in the year 1931 pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God". This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431.

Also In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary

Dogma is declared by popes only when there is a major threat to an already existing doctrine. If a pope invented a dogma, he would be a heritic. Both the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption are ancient doctrine, accepted in east and west in some form.

 

[Iollain]

No the EO do not accept the immaculate conception.

 

[simonthezealot]

2 Corinthians 11

1) I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.
2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

This is what it is about ;anything, anything that can draw away our sincere and PURE devotion!!!!

 

[sunlover1]

II Cor. 11:

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For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ.
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And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
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So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

masquerades - (metaschematizo - disguised).

Satan does not appear with horns and a pitchfork. That disquise would decieve no one.

I truly believe the visions of Fatima are one clear example of Satan disquised as a vision of an angel, from the stand point that the message forwarded their did not promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the same path to salvation as Holy Scripture does.

Your thoughts?

I agree with you that the enemy always comes
looking like the real thing.
And counterfeit is his specialty.

Are the mary apparitions of the devil?

Dunno.
Do they draw people to Christ?
Or more to mary?

 

[simonthezealot]

I agree with you that the enemy always comes
looking like the real thing.
And counterfeit is his specialty.

Are the mary apparitions of the devil?

Dunno.
Do they draw people to Christ?
Or more to mary?

When one looks at the context and instructions given by the "Mary" in the vision it seems clear that it is an attention detractor from the "pure devotion" to our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Iollain]

They may draw people to a Christ, but they are also telling people to spend time with Mary, pray more to Mary, be indwelt by Mary.........which is a bit on the blasphemous side as Christ said that the Spirit would indwell. I'd like to see Peter's face if we could go back and tell him of the Mary indwelling.

 

[Benedicta00]

They may draw people to a Christ, but they are also telling people to spend time with Mary, pray more to Mary, be indwelt by Mary.........which is a bit on the blasphemous side as Christ said that the Spirit would indwell. I'd like to see Peter's face if we could go back and tell him of the Mary indwelling.

This isn't true though. We are never told by Mary to be indwelt with Mary.

I realize that it is your conviction that Marian apparitions are all of the devil and some of them may very well be a trick of Satan but the approved apparitions, Mary tells us no such thing.

Mary leads us to have a relationship with Christ and she would never ever lead us to value her over her son nor does she lead us away from Christ to a false Christ.

 

[Iollain]

This isn't true though. We are never told by Mary to be indwelt with Mary.

I realize that it is your conviction that Marian apparitions are all of the devil and some of them may very well be a trick of Satan but the approved apparitions, Mary tells us no such thing.

Mary leads us to have a relationship with Christ and she would never ever lead us to value her over her son nor does she lead us away from Christ to a false Christ.

What about the Immaculate Heart, everything to Christ, through Mary, what about the pope's prayer for the indwelling of Mary, what about the Total Consecration? YOu may not want to admit it but yes, it is there.

 

[Iollain]

"Jesus wishes to establish devotion to my Immaculate Heart in the world. I promise salvation to those that embrace it."
---Our Lady of Fatima

 

[Iollain]

On the chosen day, make the intention of receiving the indulgences attached to the consecration; consciously renounce all attachment to sin, even venial; go to Confession; attend Mass; receive the Eucharist; pray 6 Paters, 6 Aves, and 6 Glorias for the (Catholic and holy) intentions of the Pope; and pray the prayer of consecration written by St. Maximilian:

O Immaculata, Queen of Heaven and earth, refuge of sinners and our most loving Mother, God has willed to entrust the entire order of mercy to thee. I, N___, a repentant sinner, cast myself at thy feet humbly imploring thee to take me with all that I am and have, wholly to thyself as thy possession and property. Please make of me, of all my powers of soul and body, of my whole life, death and eternity, whatever most pleases thee. If it pleases thee, use all that I am and have without reserve, wholly to accomplish what was said of thee: "She will crush your head," and, "Thou alone have destroyed all heresies in the whole world."

Let me be a fit instrument in thine Immaculate and merciful hands for introducing and increasing the maximum in all the many strayed and indifferent souls, and thus help extend as far as possible the blessed Kingdom of the most Sacred Heart of Jesus. For wherever thou enters, one obtains the grace of conversion and growth in holiness, since it is through thy hands that all graces come to us from the most Sacred Heart of Jesus.







.........so much for saying 'Mary, pray for me for whatever', this is wayyyy more than that, this is treating Mary as if she were the Spirit, imo.

 

[lionroar0]

"Jesus wishes to establish devotion to my Immaculate Heart in the world. I promise salvation to those that embrace it."
---Our Lady of Fatima

Well let's take a look at it.

http://www.fisheaters.com/ih.html

Devotion to the Immaculate Heart became even more popularized after Mary's appearing to the three young shepherd children at Fatima, Portugal in 1917 (before the Russian Revolution), when she asked that Russia be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart to prevent the spread of "the errors of Russia." Eight years later, in 1925, Mary appeared to one of the visionaries -- Lucia, who'd since become a nun -- and requested reparations for the various ways in which her Immaculate Heart was offended -- such as attacks against her Immaculate Conception, virginity and divine maternity, and for those who teach their children contempt of Mary or who insult her by desecrating her images.

To make these reparations, she asked that we do 5 things, all with the intention of making reparation to her Immaculate Heart:

• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]recite at least Five Decades of the Rosary every day

• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]wear the Brown Scapular[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]offer our daily duty to God as an act of sacrifice (ie., make the Morning Offering)[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]make Five First Saturdays of Reparation to Her Immaculate Heart (see below)[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]the Pope, in union with all the bishops of the world, must consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart. Russia would be converted through this means, and a period of peace to be given to the world. If this is not done (and it hasn't been done), Russia will "spread her errors throughout the world." This consecration must be of Russia -- not "the world," but Russia by name.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]The "First Saturdays of Reparation" was not a new devotion, but it was even more popularized after Our Lady appeared at Fatima. It consists of, on the first Saturday of each month for five consecutive months: [/FONT]

• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]going to Confession (may be 8 days before the Saturday as long as one stays in a state of grace)[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]receiving the Eucharist [/FONT]
• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]praying 5 decades of the Rosary, including the Fatima Prayer [/FONT]
• [FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]"keeping her company" for 15 minutes while meditating on all of the Mysteries of the Rosary with the intention of making reparation to her. This can be done by reading Scripture or other writings relevant to the Mysteries, meditating on pictures of the Mysteries, or simple meditation.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, verdana, sans-serif]The promise given by Mary to those who make the First Saturday devotion is her assistance at the hour of their death.[/FONT]



Peace


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[Axion]

There is already a thread on this. Why start a more inflammatory one?

 

[Axion]

I might add that the other thread was a far more rational discussion

 

[Axion]

They may draw people to a Christ, but they are also telling people to spend time with Mary, pray more to Mary, be indwelt by Mary.........which is a bit on the blasphemous side as Christ said that the Spirit would indwell. I'd like to see Peter's face if we could go back and tell him of the Mary indwelling.

You seem really obsessive about Mary.