Just what is satan capable of. 2 Cor 11

[Latreia]

For when this teaching leads others astray I will stand for truth that Scripture speaks of..If Jesus did not stand up for the truth Him being the truth then all would be unsaved. If you do not like the debate of this why do you come here? what are you seeking? Truth or a place to put out how martyered you are? For it is when the truth is being spoke of and uplifted to be truth that you feel attacked when in fact it isn't an attack. It is truth shining in the darkeness to bring light.. For how can one have truth and not Gods word..

How amazingly strange that you seem to think this is a place where, how did you put it:

"to put out how martyered you are?"

If you don't mind, where did you get any such idea?

Haven't you even noticed that I am not Catholic? Never have been. Baptized Methodist. Not even a Catholic in my family, as far as I know.

It does not "martyr" me to simply hold the Roman Catholic Church as deserving of my respect.

It most certainly does not "martyr" me to speak for the Blessed Virgin Mary, she is in my King James Version Bible and has been in my life ever since I could walk.

You seem to ignore so much of what anyone is is saying and twisting everything around to make you look like the one who alone believes in the scriptures and the Word of God and the gospel of Jesus.

You cling to the "truth shining in the darkness" yet you can't see by the light of Truth the hearts and minds of other Christians.

Again, how do you get that I am seeking martyrdom?
Can you at least explain that without getting too carried away?

 

[IamAdopted]

For you have nothing to add to a thread in either way you just write how awful it is to hinge upon the beliefs of others.

 

[Iollain]

How amazingly strange that you seem to think this is a place where, how did you put it:

"to put out how martyered you are?"

If you don't mind, where did you get any such idea?

Haven't you even noticed that I am not Catholic? Never have been. Baptized Methodist. Not even a Catholic in my family, as far as I know.

It does not "martyr" me to simply hold the Roman Catholic Church as deserving of my respect.

It most certainly does not "martyr" me to speak for the Blessed Virgin Mary, she is in my King James Version Bible and has been in my life ever since I could walk.

You seem to ignore so much of what anyone is is saying and twisting everything around to make you look like the one who alone believes in the scriptures and the Word of God and the gospel of Jesus.

You cling to the "truth shining in the darkness" yet you can't see by the light of Truth the hearts and minds of other Christians.

Again, how do you get that I am seeking martyrdom?
Can you at least explain that without getting too carried away?

Just wondering, do you know what Fatima is all about? Oh you who sees the truth shining in the darkness?

 

[Latreia]

For you have nothing to add to a thread in either way you just write how awful it is to hinge upon the beliefs of others.

Just wondering, do you know what Fatima is all about? Oh you who sees the truth shining in the darkness?

Am I to be given to understand that posters on these threads are not allowed to participate unless they are here to debate and argue, rather than to share views and understandings with fellow Christians?

IAA, are you saying that, after all my posts, they amount to nothing? That my loving defence of my fellow Christians' devotions and history of their church for the sake of kindness and tolerance has neither any meaning nor place in these threads?

Asking me what I know about Our Lady of Fatima, the writings and controversy about the events, seems somewhat a moot question, seeing that there are so many of those who do not read of this in faith, but in order to produce more doubts with which to debate and argue with the Catholic faithful.

Why do those who are against the dogmas of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches express so much displeasure when one who is not Catholic would post support for the Virgin Mary?

I do not understand exactly why I am disqualified from participation.

 

[Benedicta00]

Just wondering, do you know what Fatima is all about? Oh you who sees the truth shining in the darkness?

I do, but I really don't think you do.

You know the wackos and fanatics it brought out of the woodwork but I doubt you know any of what Mary's actual messages were.

There is nothing Mary said that any Christan would take issue with and most of what she aid indeed has come to pass.

For example she said many fashions will be introduced that will offend our Lord..." Well- ain't that the truth!

But she said this in 1913 to three children peasants in Portugal Spain. Hardly ppl were dressing like harlots then.

I'm sure no one had a clue to what she was talking about, but how we know now.

She also said many marriages are not of God and that they offered him... ah-hem same sex union, need I say more?

So the question is do you know Fatima oh light shinning through darkness?

 

[Iollain]

http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordfati.html

Jesus wants to use you to make Me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to My Immaculate Heart throughout the world. I promise salvation to whoever embraces it; these souls will be dear to God, like flowers put by Me to adorn his throne."

Actually i've read it many times oh lightening buggy.

 

[Benedicta00]

http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordfati.html

Jesus wants to use you to make Me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to My Immaculate Heart throughout the world. I promise salvation to whoever embraces it; these souls will be dear to God, like flowers put by Me to adorn his throne."

Actually i've read it many times oh lightening buggy.

don't know what you are taking issue with here... God loves Mary and he sends her here to wake us up.

We're worst than Sodom and Gomorrah these days, God is wrong for sending us warnings through his mom?

But her prophesies? You don't find it ood how they all pretty much came to pass? World War 11 etc?

 

[simonthezealot]

For what its worth, I have read through the message of Fatima, even Ratz's translation. I see nothing that qualifies as preaching the Gospel of Jesus or stating the claim that Christ came in the flesh....
Some thoughts on testing prophecy

DOES IT CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE?
2 Tim 3:16-17
16All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.
I'd say it is contradictory as it says praying to Mary's immaculate heart would save souls. Not what we are taught in the Holy Scripture!

DOES THE PROPHECY UPLIFT JESUS OR SOMEBODY ELSE? (Rev 19:10)
10Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, ‘You must not do that! I am a fellow-servant with you and your comrades who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.’
The adversary was coy here! by using the imagery of the Mother of our Saviour. But truly this vision of Mary is uplifting her, not our Saviour.

 

[Latreia]

http://members.aol.com/bjw1106/marian6.htm

Quote:

In her appearances at Fatima, Mary told the children to ask people to pray, convert their lives to God and honor her appearances there. During the July apparition, Mary gave the children three Secrets which were not to be revealed until she authorized their disclosure. She also promised a miracle at the end of her appearance in October that would assist everyone in believing in her visits to Fatima. After giving them the Secrets, she said:

"When you pray the Rosary, say after each mystery: 'O my Jesus, forgive us, save us from the fire of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are most in need.'"


"Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and repeat often, especially whenevr you make a sacrifice for them: 'O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary"

 

[simonthezealot]

The Bible says, the devil will make evident himself in the look which best suits his deceitful purpose. He is the fraud, the pretender. Paul warns us,

"even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" 2 Corinthians 11:14.

We shouldn’t be shocked or troubled at the view that the devil would impersonate Mary.
Being emotional and sensitive in our association with Mary can cause blindness to truth. The adversary knows that and plays on our emotion.

"Beloved, do not trust every spirit, but put the spirits to a test to see if they belong to God, because many false prophets have appeared in the world". 1 John 4:1.


The pretender of Fatima directed the children to establish devotion to her.

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved".

God has already saved us from hell by Christ crucifixion and resurrection and our testimony to Jesus.
God, not the devil, holds the keys to hell.

The sinners seem to be the concern of this pretender, God already provided a way to save us from hell. God established, not devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, but a Church that will share the good news of God's salvation revealed in Christ. This is confirmed by the power of the Holy Spirit working through His Word.

"I solemnly assure you, the man who hears my word and has faith in Him who sent me possesses eternal life. He does not come under condemnation, but has passed from death to life". (John 5:24 NAB)

God's one promise of salvation has already been made and fulfilled on the cross.

Be very certain that God did not send Mary to earth to change God's eternal plan of salvation.

 

[PassthePeace1]

The pretender of Fatima directed the children to establish devotion to her.

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved".

That statement by Mary, does not mean that she is setting herself up as a source of saving Grace.....a Catholic would properly understand what she meant. Many on this thread, have tried to explain a Catholic understanding of her statement. Yet, you still just apply your own preceptions, to her statement.

God has already saved us from hell by Christ crucifixion and resurrection and our testimony to Jesus.

Who is denying the Saving Grace, that Jesus merited for us, by His Passion?

God, not the devil, holds the keys to hell.

Right, we see in Revalation, that Jesus has the Keys to Hades....but notice He is not holding the Keys to Heaven. Why is that? Because He left them here on earth, with Peter and his successors.....which is why the Church has the authority, to judge what is and what is not from God.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[Latreia]

The Bible says, thedevil will make evident himself in the look which best suits his deceitful purpose. He is the fraud, thepretender. Paul warns us,

"even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" 2 Corinthians 11:14.

We shouldn’t be shocked or troubled at the view that the devil would impersonate Mary.
Being emotional and sensitive in our association with Mary can cause blindness to truth. The adversary knows that and plays on our emotion.

"Beloved, do not trust every spirit, but put the spirits to a test to see if they belong to God, because many false prophets have appeared in the world". 1 John 4:1.


The pretender of Fatima directed the children to establish devotion to her.

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved".

God has already saved us from hell by Christ crucifixion and resurrection and our testimony to Jesus.
God, not the devil, holds the keys to hell.

The sinners seem to be the concern of this pretender, God already provided a way to save us from hell. God established, not devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, but a Church that will share the good news of God's salvation revealed in Christ. This is confirmed by the power of the Holy Spirit working through His Word.

"I solemnly assure you, the man who hears my word and has faith in Him who sent me possesses eternal life. He does not come under condemnation, but has passed from death to life". (John 5:24 NAB)

God's one promise of salvation has already been made and fulfilled on the cross.

Be very certain that God did not send Mary to earth to change God's eternal plan of salvation.

What I get is that the devil is just about as powerful as God. We seem to be having him pushed into our faces so much here. Are we being told to see the devil everywhere we look, to concentrate on finding him and fearing his power?

Must we devote most of our time and thoughts to satan, instead of Jesus and God and the Blessed Virgin?
I think that we can be certain that God did send Mary to earth...as a very vital part of HIS plan of salvation.

That doesn't make me no bad girl?

 

[IamAdopted]

That statement by Mary, does not mean that she is setting herself up as a source of saving Grace.....a Catholic would properly understand what she meant. Many on this thread, have tried to explain a Catholic understanding of her statement. Yet, you still just apply your own preceptions, to her statement.



Who is denying the Saving Grace, that Jesus merited for us, by His Passion?








Right, we see in Revalation, that Jesus has the Keys to Hades....but notice He is not holding the Keys to Heaven. Why is that? Because He left them here on earth, with Peter and his successors.....which is why the Church has the authority, to judge what is and what is not from God.

Peace be with you...Pam

what we see is Jesus holds the key. What we also see is Jesus does not unlock a door to heaven but brings out a book..And those whom are written in this book have eternal life..

 

[simonthezealot]

What I get is that the devil is just about as powerful as God. We seem to be having him pushed into our faces so much here. Are we being told to see the devil everywhere we look, to concentrate on finding him and fearing his power?

Must we devote most of our time and thoughts to satan, instead of Jesus and God and the Blessed Virgin?
I think that we can be certain that God did send Mary to earth...as a very vital part of HIS plan of salvation.

That doesn't make me no bad girl?

Satan and Hell are very very REAL.

 

[Latreia]

Satan and Hell are very very REAL.

I think we are safe filled with devotion to our Messiah and to our Lord God.

Let's leave being dominated by thoughts of satan to satanic cults and devil worshippers.

BTW, occurs to me that if Mary were very much beloved of God and also honored by her Son, Jesus Christ, it would make her a perfect TARGET for the devil to rant and rail against. It opens a way to hate and despise Mary and thus eliminate another way to our God.

Using her, as your accusations demand that we believe, seems to me a much better way of promoting the denial of the Virgin Mary rather than defeating the devil.

Why preach so much fear, as though God's Love and Light were not strong enough?

 

[Iollain]

What I get is that the devil is just about as powerful as God. We seem to be having him pushed into our faces so much here. Are we being told to see the devil everywhere we look, to concentrate on finding him and fearing his power?

Must we devote most of our time and thoughts to satan, instead of Jesus and God and the Blessed Virgin?
I think that we can be certain that God did send Mary to earth...as a very vital part of HIS plan of salvation.

That doesn't make me no bad girl?

This apparition is looking for more time spent in rosary prayers that just so happen to build and build until Mary is glorified in the last two of them, she wants repititious prayers to repair her heart, this Jesus wants the same thing, doing this will lead to your salvation, spending time with this sinless like Jesus, Mary.......i wonder what the Apostles would think of this apparition if it happened in their time?

 

[Latreia]

This apparition is looking for more time spent in rosary prayers that just so happen to build and build until Mary is glorified in the last two of them, she wants repititious prayers to repair her heart, this Jesus wants the same thing, doing this will lead to your salvation, spending time with this sinless like Jesus, Mary.......i wonder what the Apostles would think of this apparition if it happened in their time?

Silly me, I started to say the answer to your last question was: "Nobody knows."

 

[simonthezealot]

Sometimes the truth is irratating isn't it?

 

[Latreia]

Sometimes the truth is irratating isn't it?

Don't be silly, Hon, those little growlies were to go with all those references to the devil. Those were his demons. Hey, thought you knew all about when you're looking at bad stuff.

And that word is spelled, "irrattatting."

 

[simonthezealot]

Don't be silly, Hon, those little growlies were to go with all those references to the devil. Those were his demons. Hey, thought you knew all about when you're looking at bad stuff.

And that word is spelled, "irrattatting."

irritating
Thanks...
But seriously, Fatima is a worthy discussion, I know of even Ant. Bened. fathers whom outright say this is of Satan!
So yes these are spirits worthy of testing...