Pornography doesn’t exploit.

[OdwinOddball]

Ill still pray, everybody needs prayer.

I don't.

 

[OdwinOddball]

How can you say that my husband deals with lust on a daily basis? My husband is very different from alot of other men out there. He has no problem with lusting after other women. We dont go anywhere that promotes immodesty. My husband is faithful and devote and follows Christ. He is stronger than I am in this area...he hates porn, lust, adultery.

If your husband has ever told you he does not lust after other women on occasion, he has lied to you.

Its a biological urge. If we see an attractive woman no matter how "modestly" she is dressed, we are occasionally going to have lusty thoughts about her.

Your naivety is some ways adorable, but doesn't help spur up your arguments.

 

[meebs]

It's not just men that lust, some women lust after men (or/and women depending on preference)

(Unless im utterly on my own. )

Seriously, why is this an issue, like other subjects that some christians go mad about like homosexuality. Sex issues are the biggest!

What about non porn modelling hmmm? People put themselves up for it, their children and even pets to sell products. Why is porn any different?

 

[Nathan Poe]

"In a patriarchal society", Nathan. Societies that don't have a category for spousal rape, etc.

That's not the definition of "patriarchal." Mackinnon was referring to our society.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

My husband has not lied to me. He hates lying....why cant you just believe that their are guys out there that dont lust after other women....they dont have that desire....and no I dont mean the gay ones...i mean the straight ones...I know my husband better than anyone...and I know he wouldnt lust after a woman, we are married. He is pure in this area....sure he struggles in other areas...but this is what we are toughest on is sexual purity. Why should he have a reason to lust when I give him all the attention...you dont know our marriage...our marriage is amazing

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

Porn is different because the people are naked and engaged in a sexual act!!

 

[meebs]

Porn is different because the people are naked and engaged in a sexual act!!

they are not always 100% naked...


Really, so magazines which show men and women advertising clothing are different?

That they seem to have perfect bodies and sometimes show them with one peice of clothing on and nothing else?

 

[Skaloop]

Porn is different because the people are naked and engaged in a sexual act!!

What about nudity on its own? Like in old works of art. Any problems with that?

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

What about nudity on its own? Like in old works of art. Any problems with that?

Yes problems w/ that. Just because it is okay in society doesnt mean it is okay. I dont follow the world....

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

they are not always 100% naked...


Really, so magazines which show men and women advertising clothing are different?

That they seem to have perfect bodies and sometimes show them with one peice of clothing on and nothing else?

Its not different..I dont think its okay to model w/ one piece of clothing. If you people think its okay to look at porn then why dont you just cheat? I dont understand....its the same thing....and some of you say I look at it to further my wife and I's ideas about sex....well then why dont you read ways to make your sexual life in marriage more pleasurable instead of gauking at porn

 

[Skaloop]

My husband has not lied to me. He hates lying....why cant you just believe that their are guys out there that dont lust after other women....they dont have that desire....and no I dont mean the gay ones...i mean the straight ones...I know my husband better than anyone...and I know he wouldnt lust after a woman, we are married. He is pure in this area....sure he struggles in other areas...but this is what we are toughest on is sexual purity. Why should he have a reason to lust when I give him all the attention...you dont know our marriage...our marriage is amazing

Look, I could maybe buy it if he was defining lust as willfully concentrating on performing a sexual act with another woman. I'm sure he can get by without doing that. But lust can be much more subtle than that. And if he's saying he's never had a sudden fleeting thought of arousal due to another woman, then yes, he is lying. Either to himself by convincing himself that it wasn't lust, or to you by hiding the brief flirtations in his mind. If he has an erotic dream, is that lust? Do you hold that against him? Has he committed adultery because of the dream? I expect you'll say no, because dreams are out of his control. It's the same with lustful thoughts.

He probably is fooling himself into thinking he feels no lust, likely as a defense mechanism due to the guilt it produces in him from being told so often how wrong it is. I don't think there's anything wrong with lust (by either definition above) or any thought one might have, so I don't need to pretend it didn't happen.

 

[Trashionista]

I'm fine with pornography? It doesn't effect me, and I don't really have any desire to look at naked men. But thats just me...

I really think anything between two consentual adults - who are really just making money for a living - is none of my business, and really, I don't see the point in worrying about it.

Child pornography, beastality, etc. - things between non-consentual parties are obviously, not something I support.

But two adult actors having sex on camera isn't something I generally care about.

 

[meebs]

Its not different..I dont think its okay to model w/ one piece of clothing. If you people think its okay to look at porn then why dont you just cheat?

I see where you are coming from because i used to think the same way. It's not the same as cheating. If you are looking on your own and you are married (or living with someone) it is to satisfy a sexual urge that your partner cannot oblige to at the moment.

nothing wrong with that. Plus it can give you ideas next time you have sex.

I dont understand....its the same thing....and some of you say I look at it to further my wife and I's ideas about sex....well then why dont you read ways to make your sexual life in marriage more pleasurable instead of gauking at porn

Because as i said above, if you both enjoy it what is the problem? There are actually various reasons why couples may look at porn, including that it might give them ideas etc.

 

[Skaloop]

well then why dont you read ways to make your sexual life in marriage more pleasurable instead of gauking at porn

Porn does make my sexual life in marriage more pleasurable! We do not gawk at porn. We decide to put some on, then we proceed with all the normal stages of making love. Normally, we're not even watching it, it just offers some background ambiance.

Besides porn, we've got plenty of ways we spice up our sex lives. Toys and cuffs and whips and such. Tell me, if you object to pornography, how do you feel about those of us who occasionally partake in BDSM activities?

 

[quatona]

If you people think its okay to look at porn then why dont you just cheat? I dont understand....its the same thing....

If ignoring the differences everything is the same thing as everything else.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Its not different..I dont think its okay to model w/ one piece of clothing. If you people think its okay to look at porn then why dont you just cheat? I dont understand....its the same thing....and some of you say I look at it to further my wife and I's ideas about sex....well then why dont you read ways to make your sexual life in marriage more pleasurable instead of gauking at porn

You are showing a very black and white mentality. This is not uncommon amongst religious followers and the young. But the world is not black and white. There is a wide range of possibilities. One can watch porn without gawking. And watching or yes even reading porn is in no way the same as cheating, especially when all parties involved are aware of it.

Your sexual beliefs may work for you, but they do not work for everyone. And despite the fact that you claim divine providence as your reason for said beliefs, this does not justify them as correct for anyone but yourself. And in fact they seem to be blinding you to several realities of being a sexual creature with a biological drive to reproduce.

Humans want and enjoy sex. Human males are very visually oriented. These are biological facts. You may be able to comfort yourself by denying these realities, but this doesn't make them any less real. Your husband DOES think about other women sexually sometimes. He may repress it, and certainly if hes a good husband he would never act on such urges(at least not without your consent), but he definitely has them. Both of you need to face up to the fact that you are human and will do human things regardless of how much guilt and self disgust you use to try to suppress these desires. Failing to do so will lead eventually to one or both of you being un-satisfied sexually and likely emotionally in your relationship.

You married young which already gives you high odds of being divorced within 5 years. Trying to repress everything that comes with being human will only exacerbate the situation.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

Look, I could maybe buy it if he was defining lust as willfully concentrating on performing a sexual act with another woman. I'm sure he can get by without doing that. But lust can be much more subtle than that. And if he's saying he's never had a sudden fleeting thought of arousal due to another woman, then yes, he is lying. Either to himself by convincing himself that it wasn't lust, or to you by hiding the brief flirtations in his mind. If he has an erotic dream, is that lust? Do you hold that against him? Has he committed adultery because of the dream? I expect you'll say no, because dreams are out of his control. It's the same with lustful thoughts.

He probably is fooling himself into thinking he feels no lust, likely as a defense mechanism due to the guilt it produces in him from being told so often how wrong it is. I don't think there's anything wrong with lust (by either definition above) or any thought one might have, so I don't need to pretend it didn't happen.

There is too a problem with lust. In our faith my husband and I believe lust is wrong! Dont say my husband experiences this...you can fathom that since you lust. We see a big problem with it, like I said my husband is a strong minded person...you would have to know him to know what Im talking about. He throws out bad magazines he finds at work that are other peoples...thats how much he hates it and how strong he can stand up for what he believes in...he turns away when a girl walks in w/ short shorts....or anything....

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

You are showing a very black and white mentality. This is not uncommon amongst religious followers and the young. But the world is not black and white. There is a wide range of possibilities. One can watch porn without gawking. And watching or yes even reading porn is in no way the same as cheating, especially when all parties involved are aware of it.

Your sexual beliefs may work for you, but they do not work for everyone. And despite the fact that you claim divine providence as your reason for said beliefs, this does not justify them as correct for anyone but yourself. And in fact they seem to be blinding you to several realities of being a sexual creature with a biological drive to reproduce.

Humans want and enjoy sex. Human males are very visually oriented. These are biological facts. You may be able to comfort yourself by denying these realities, but this doesn't make them any less real. Your husband DOES think about other women sexually sometimes. He may repress it, and certainly if hes a good husband he would never act on such urges(at least not without your consent), but he definitely has them. Both of you need to face up to the fact that you are human and will do human things regardless of how much guilt and self disgust you use to try to suppress these desires. Failing to do so will lead eventually to one or both of you being un-satisfied sexually and likely emotionally in your relationship.

You married young which already gives you high odds of being divorced within 5 years. Trying to repress everything that comes with being human will only exacerbate the situation.

Its sad to see that divorce is so high..and everyone expects it of everyone. My faith stands strong..and Im in a different place than you. Myhusband and I do not retreat to the world and its manipulations. We are followers in Christ and inbeing that we stay awa from every kind of evil..and w/ love and faithfulness and commitment Im know we will be together forever...we dont take till death do us part lightly

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

A "Trojan Horse" Sin
There is no greater evil in America than that of pornography! Pornography is a road to hell. Jesus said in John 3:20 that it is the love of sin which prevents so many people from coming to Christ for salvation. Pornography is wicked sin! Pornography turns people away from God and His Holy Word. Most people automatically associate the word "pornography" with total nudity; however, the evil influences of "soft porn" (partial nudity) are equally damaging. Whereas women are aroused by TOUCH, men are aroused by SIGHT. Of course, this is no secret. I won't spend a lot of time in this article trying to explain all the things wrong about pornography because it is self-evident. Any idiot knows what's wrong with pornography. I simply want to do my part as a born again Christian to take a Biblical stand against this great evil of our time. Pornography is a Trojan horse sin...from it spawns fornication, wife beatings, rapes, adultery, child porn, pedophilia, homosexuality, and every other godless form of immorality imaginable.

Judgment is Coming Upon America!
Pornography basically did not exist until the invention of the camera came along. Think about this for a moment. The Old Testament cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were so wicked that God decided to DESTROY them (and they didn't have any pornography!). Can you imagine what God thinks about America? America is a wicked nation of arrogant stiff-necked people rebelling against the Lord God. More pornography flows out of America than any other nation upon the earth. Sickeningly, Chicago even named one of it's streets in honor of reprobate Hue Hefner (founder of Playboy). I'm reminded of Frank Sinatra's wicked words in the song Chicago..."The town Billy Sunday couldn't shut down." Well, God's going to shut it down someday!

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." -Jude 1:7
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Jesus Condemned Pornography​

Adultery of the heart may not seem as bad to you as the actual physical act of adultery, but it is in God's eyes. Mankind has the tendency to form his own conclusions about right and wrong, but the Word of God has already removed most of the grey areas for us. The Bible is not vague on the issue of pornography. The Word of God clearly condemns ALL forms of adultery. Pornography (whether it be hard porn or soft porn) leads men into adultery. Notice in Matthew 5:28 the words "WITH HER." A woman who dresses immodestly is guilty of adultery as much as the man who committed the act in his mind. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their dirty minds...

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven...Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." -Matthew 5:20,27,28​

Jesus clearly implied that the Pharisees were GUILTY of many sins, even though they were self-righteous in their own eyes. They hadn't actually been caught physically killing anyone, but they were filled with murderous hatred in their minds. The scribes and Pharisees hadn't actually been caught in the act of adultery, but they were dirty-minded perverts. Just as so many religious people today, they were phonies. I have worked with numerous Catholic men in my working career and I have noticed that ALL of them indulged in pornography. I used to work next to a Pilipino man that would pray his Rosary and then shamelessly pull out a Playboy Magazine to gaze into. It's wicked! Jesus clearly taught that such phony religion leads to hell. Unless a person has the righteousness of God in his or her heart, they CANNOT go to heaven. The ONLY way to have God's righteousness is by becoming "born again" through Christ Jesus.

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." -2nd Corinthians 5:17​

The righteousness of God that a person needs to be saved IS Jesus Christ Himself. When we trust upon Christ for the forgiveness of our sins, then God's Holy Spirit comes to indwell (live) inside our soul. We are then a child of God.
Again, the Word of God clearly condemns ALL forms of adultery, including adultery which only occurs in a person's MIND...

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." -Matthew 5:28​

 

[Skaloop]

He throws out bad magazines he finds at work that are other peoples...

That's theft and destruction of private property. You consider that moral? Stealing the belongings of others is OK, even comednable, to you, but having a simple thought about another woman isn't?

he turns away when a girl walks in w/ short shorts....or anything....

He looks away because he knows that looking will give him lustful thoughts. Remember, I never said he liked it, or that he didn't want to avoid it. I just said that he does it, it's an unconscious reaction, and he cannot avoid it. If he must look away from sexual imagery, it is because he lacks the willpower to control his lust beyond that initial impulse.