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When we buy a product, we receive an instruction book to learn to use the purchase most effectively..When we receive life, God issues a Book for maximum effectiveness...We have the option of using the guidebook or not.
We may decie which authority to live by..If you choose God as your authority, as I have, we will be proceeding together on the same foundational level of understanding..Unified in purpose..
As we respond to principles of truth, we respond to God, not some human idea..God is always waiting to talk when we have questions and/or disagreements, so do seek Him and His mind on any matter..Biblical authority gives us confidence to become comfortable with our created design.....That will help us grow in Christ......
Such a good post :cool:
 
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Hi Saints:

Once during a particularly troubling period of my life, I was walking along a dry river bed feeling kind of lost in myself and my life, when I found an old tea cup half buried in the dirt. I dug it out and it was caked with dirt on the outside and packed with dirt and rocks on the inside. As I was looking at it, the Lord said to me, "Son, that cup is you."

I replied, "Sir?" and He answered, "Let me ask you something. Would you put that cup as it is on your table or in your cupboard?"

"No Sir", I said.
"You would need to clean it up, inside and out, before it would ever be of use to you, wouldn't you?"

"Yes Sir", I agreed.

Then He said, "Pretend that cup is alive and can feel. If you started scraping the dirt out it would probably hurt it, wouldn't it? And it would really hurt when you had to scrape real close to the sides, right?

"Yes Sir", I agreed.

"And what would you do if it began crying real loud and squirming around in your hands?"

"I would probably stop", I replied.

"Otherwise, with it moving and flinching at every touch you made, you could really damage it, right? And you wouldn't want to do that, would you?"

"No Sir", I said.

"So, what would happen then?", He asked me. "Wouldn't you just put it aside, and not use it?"

"Yes Sir", I quietly replied, because I could see where He was heading with this.

"But this could be a beautiful cup for you to use, couldn't it? That is, if you could get it cleaned up!", He asked me. "But until it allows you to do what needs to be done to make it useful to you, all you can do is set it aside, right? You are surely not going to put it out on display, or drink from it, are you?"

"No Sir", I mumbled.

"That cup is you, Son.", He said again to me.

Hebrews 12:6 - "For those whom the Lord loves he disciplines, and He scourges every son whom He receives."

Proverbs 1:23 - "Turn to my reproof; behold, I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you."

My prayer today is that all of those who are His will sincerely turn to their Father's discipline, that all may grow up into the spiritual maturity in Christ which is their birthright and is worthy of the Lord Jesus, Who is their very Life.

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I think this is becomes truer with the passing of time. Thanks LeastOne for your great posts. :thumbsup:
 
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LeastOne,

Thank you for your post of May 3, 2006. I am lonely too, but I didn't realize that it was part of the deal until your post. One feels like a stranger in a strange land. I want to write and to express myself, but it is very hard. I am often "locked up". Thanks again.
 
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Thank you for this thread. I have truly been blessed by what I have read. In all that I do, I seek God's face. I pray before I read the bible and I ask Him for HIS truth, HIS wisdom, and understanding of HIS word.

I ask Him to guard my mouth and my thoughts that I may be pure and holy before Him. I find my thoughts slipping, but I practice taking them captive and making them obedient to Jesus. Every day is a journey with the Lord, which I enjoy. Some are harder, but I have come to not lean on my own understanding. There have been many times I don't understand, but my trust in God is so unwavering, I stand in awe of Him

How true are the words of Jesus: "Abide in me, and I'll abide in you". And where the Lord says, "Seek me with all your heart, mind and soul".


He is so true to His word.

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This is a lovely thread. I came here for the first time yesterday, started reading and got really blessed--but had to run!

So I'm back today, reading in snippets as I can. Leastone, thank you, for listening to our Father and sharing what you've heard. I so much enjoy this thread!
 
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leafstone, when I try to spend some quiet time alone, I have thoughts that come into my head that talk to me
I can't really tell if it's from God or not because if I ask God something, something in my mind pops up and I don't know if it's me making it up or if it's God because I think of some weird things
LIke if I try to listen to God, I have a thought that says like "Pick up the cup on the table" or something weird

Godsray, I have been reading through this thread slowly. I don't know if Leastone is still here or not. The last post I saw was May 6, 2006.

I know this: I witness to everything I have read so far. This man truly loves God, and has walked with Him.

I am not Leastone. But when I saw your question, I wondered if I should answer. So with hesitation I offer you my thoughts.

There are three voices that you can hear when you are listening for guidance. One is the voice of your own soul or spirit. One is the voice of demonic forces assigned against you. The third voice is that of the Lord.

Your soul is your mind, your will and your emotions. Most of us are well conditioned to listening to our soul. Through it we give ourselves directions, continue in both good and bad habits, and even continue listening to voices that have been programmed in us from the past.

A second voice is that of demonic forces assigned against you. There are ways to recognize this voice, as it tends to be pushy, and cause fear and confusion. Satan--or his forces--can use Scripture, as Satan did when he tempted Jesus, Matthew 4:1-10. Satan can do miracles, as the Egpytian magicians when they imitated the first three miracles Moses did, Exodus 7:11-12; 7:22; 8:7. But there is one thing I've found that Satan cannot imitate: he cannot imitate God's peace.

A good way to judge whether guidance is from God or not, I've found, is to use several tests. Leastone himself said to make sure that what you hear lines up with God's Word. That is one test. Also, make sure that that Word is given with peace, because the wisdom of God ALWAYS comes with peace, James 3:17-18. If something is pushing you to do something when you are trying to spend time with the Lord, that is not God. It may be your own soul or demonic forces, however. Another test is remember that even when He corrects us, God never condemns. Even in correction, there is comfort, edification and encouragement, 1 Cor. 14:3.

It is a good thing to seek the Lord's guidance! And you do get better at discerning His voice. Let me help you a bit further, if I may.

I went to the Lord one day and asked why I couldn't hear Him more easily. I'll never forget His answer. He told me that the reason I was having trouble hearing Him was that I was listening to the world too much, and almost not at all to Him. So true. I was a newspaper junkie. I loved reading my newspaper! And TV! And radio! I liked to stay informed!

But now the Lord asked me to do something so that I could hear His voice more easily. He asked me to fast my newspapers, TV, radio, etc. He asked me to spend time in His Word instead. So for nine months, I gave up my news sources...and spent time in the Word. During that time, it became so easy to hear God's voice--because I was listening to His voice everyday! His Word is His voice! And the more I read the Word and got it inside of me, the easier it was to hear the Lord, not only in His Word, but also that still small voice inside of us that is Him.

Now, I admit, I read newspapers and watch TV today. But I know that when it gets difficult to hear the Lord, I've been listening to the world too much again--and not enough to Him.

How to quiet the voices that are not His? Galatians 5:24 says "those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." I've found this useful to do from day to day as I pray. I always start the day asking God to examine my heart first and show me any sin. And then I say that I am crucifying my flesh with all its passions and desires, and I choose to live for Christ this day. It helps a lot to be willing to be dead to self!

Also, when I need guidance on some important issue, often I'll tell God what all my own good ideas are. I'll list every one of them, and then say that I am putting all my own great ideas on the altar. I am choosing to die to my own good ideas, I tell my Father, and unless He quickens one of them to me, I am going to leave my ideas there. Then I wait and listen. Sometimes I pray quietly, but I'm listening. And I wait. I absolutely refuse to move until I know God is in something. Let the flesh be dead, I will wait! It's funny to me how often my great ideas--you know, the ones I put on the altar--are NOT what God has me do!

How to quiet the voice of the enemy. One suggestion is not to listen to the enemy as he comes over the airways and through the eyegate. Sometimes this is tough, I know. But watch what you put in your heart, because it will influence you. A second suggestion, REBUKE the enemy. James 4:7-8 is spiritual warfare. Look how it says, "submit therefore to God," that is, confess any sin He convicts you of. Then it says, "resist the devil and he will flee from you." When I am aware I am being harassed by the enemy, I will speak out loud and say something like, "You devil that just told me such-and-such, I resist you now and command you to flee!" Then I even quote James 4:7 and tell that demon that it has to go. Amazing, how those little voices stop--the ones that harass you and tell you you're no good, etc--when you do this. Then I go on to the next part, where James 4:8 says to draw near to God. The fastest way to draw near to God, I've found, is to praise Him. Praise, worship, thanking Him, reading the Word out loud--these all are ways of drawing near to God.

I hope this helps. Leastone is giving some great advice. What lovely posts there are here!
 
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Another way to recognize the enemy's voice, it will always be "I" in the beginning of the sentence, making out that it's you thinking these things. And as mentioned before, it's not comforting and there is no peace.
That's true. Statements that have "you" alot are usually a person defending themselves against acusations.
 
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Just want to say thank you for this thread, LeastOne. I have only read the first two points that you have put up (Guard your tongue and Praise God). This might not sound like alot of reading, but it is to me, especially when I find these so hard to do.

I am trying more to watch what I say to people, but it is so hard at work when people around you are not Christians and are swearing their heads off! The other thing I try to do, but is very hard, is to praise God. In fact, I don't do well at this at all. I pretty much suck at it. The reason is because I find it hard to look positive when things aren't going so great. At the moment, I am trying to deal with some very personal issues, and I find it hard to keep strong at these times. Any tips for this would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Just want to say thank you for this thread, LeastOne. I have only read the first two points that you have put up (Guard your tongue and Praise God). This might not sound like alot of reading, but it is to me, especially when I find these so hard to do.

I am trying more to watch what I say to people, but it is so hard at work when people around you are not Christians and are swearing their heads off! The other thing I try to do, but is very hard, is to praise God. In fact, I don't do well at this at all. I pretty much suck at it. The reason is because I find it hard to look positive when things aren't going so great. At the moment, I am trying to deal with some very personal issues, and I find it hard to keep strong at these times. Any tips for this would be greatly appreciated!

Hi Surviving:

I agree (as does James) that controlling the tongue is nearly impossible for us to accomplish under our own efforts. Praise God we are not limited to our own efforts, however! His Spirit lives within us and He is more than able to to do what we cannot. Part of my daily prayer is to ask Him to guard what I say, that I only speak the words He gives me and that He bless my every word so that it is uplifting to others and worthy of Him.

In Hebrews there is a passage which speaks of the "sacrifice of praise", and indeed much of the time it is just that very thing: a sacrifice. During difficult times, when praise is the very last thing you feel like doing, and there seems to be absolutely no reason to praise God for anything...that is the very time to "lift up those weary hands" and praise God the most. You will find that this "sacrifice" is one that is most pleasing to Him, and if you persist in it, you will experience within your spirit a lifting of the burdens from your heart.

Remember, we are not praising God for our troubles, rather we are praising Him in the very midst of those troubles (which is what makes it a sacrifice). So don't worry about trying to find anything positive to praise Him for, just praise Him! Many, many times I have to tell Him, "Lord, I don't understand this, but I trust you and I know you are working in all of this for my good. So I thank you for your patience with me. And I praise you for showing your love toward me, even in this situation."

In fact, much of the time anymore, I find myself just quietly saying, "Praise you, Father. Thank you, Jesus." over and over when I am alone, for no particular reason at all. I believe this is prompted by the Spirit, but I have realized that it maintains an attitude of praise within me without me having to "work" it up.

Don't give up, Surviving. He is working in you to form you into His Image...from the inside out.

To His Glory always,
Leastone
 
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Ditto, I constantly ask the Lord to help guard my mouth and my thoughts, that I may be pure before Him. I try to live by Eph 4:29 daily, and don't always get it right, but I try, with the help of my Father, and the constant renewing of my mind.

We are told to glorify God and honour Him in everything we do, whether in word or deed.

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Thank you so much for being so encouraging. I especially like what you have wrote in this bit:

Remember, we are not praising God for our troubles, rather we are praising Him in the very midst of those troubles (which is what makes it a sacrifice). So don't worry about trying to find anything positive to praise Him for, just praise Him! Many, many times I have to tell Him, "Lord, I don't understand this, but I trust you and I know you are working in all of this for my good. So I thank you for your patience with me. And I praise you for showing your love toward me, even in this situation."

This is so uplifting, and something I must remember to do when I feel things are not going right. God bless you.
 
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Hi Surviving:

I agree (as does James) that controlling the tongue is nearly impossible for us to accomplish under our own efforts. Praise God we are not limited to our own efforts, however! His Spirit lives within us and He is more than able to to do what we cannot. Part of my daily prayer is to ask Him to guard what I say, that I only speak the words He gives me and that He bless my every word so that it is uplifting to others and worthy of Him.

In Hebrews there is a passage which speaks of the "sacrifice of praise", and indeed much of the time it is just that very thing: a sacrifice. During difficult times, when praise is the very last thing you feel like doing, and there seems to be absolutely no reason to praise God for anything...that is the very time to "lift up those weary hands" and praise God the most. You will find that this "sacrifice" is one that is most pleasing to Him, and if you persist in it, you will experience within your spirit a lifting of the burdens from your heart.

Remember, we are not praising God for our troubles, rather we are praising Him in the very midst of those troubles (which is what makes it a sacrifice). So don't worry about trying to find anything positive to praise Him for, just praise Him! Many, many times I have to tell Him, "Lord, I don't understand this, but I trust you and I know you are working in all of this for my good. So I thank you for your patience with me. And I praise you for showing your love toward me, even in this situation."

In fact, much of the time anymore, I find myself just quietly saying, "Praise you, Father. Thank you, Jesus." over and over when I am alone, for no particular reason at all. I believe this is prompted by the Spirit, but I have realized that it maintains an attitude of praise within me without me having to "work" it up.

Don't give up, Surviving. He is working in you to form you into His Image...from the inside out.

To His Glory always,
Leastone

Great to see you posting again, Leastone

Part of my daily prayer is to ask Him to guard what I say, that I only speak the words He gives me and that He bless my every word so that it is uplifting to others and worthy of Him.

During difficult times, when praise is the very last thing you feel like doing, and there seems to be absolutely no reason to praise God for anything...that is the very time to "lift up those weary hands" and praise God the most. You will find that this "sacrifice" is one that is most pleasing to Him, and if you persist in it, you will experience within your spirit a lifting of the burdens from your heart.

Remember, we are not praising God for our troubles, rather we are praising Him in the very midst of those troubles (which is what makes it a sacrifice).
Amen, prayer and praise in good times and bad. An attitude of gratitude to Him, not so much for our troubles as for His working Himself into us.
 
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Hi, I am busy going through something now, I don't understand why, but the how I do. I mis-discerned the Lord's will for me, and now I am in a pickle. I've gotten over the "How could I have miss heard Him"?,n to sitting in His lap, and putting my ear to His heartbeat. I am overwhelmed with love for my Lord, and I will praise His Holy Name for He is my Father, and He loves me, because even trough this time, He is looking after me and my children.

There is a lesson to be learnt here, and I have learnt it.

"Thank You Lord, for Your faithfulness and Your love for me, seeing my burden and always being there for me. All I can offer You Lord, is my life, and continually raising my hands to worship and praise You, Abba Father"

MuchLoved
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