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I too enjoyed the thread on lonliness.

God calls some of us to walk solitary paths. Others he calls to different paths. Right now my path seems to be raising a family. I have had periods of long solitude before.

I think the key is to accept God's will in your life irregardless of what it is. Obviously, this is easier said than done. I fought God many times and always with disasterous results. It took me a long time to finally learn that it "isn't all about me".

Obviously not all of us are called to be great leaders or prophets. I don't use that as an excuse whoever not to enlarge my spiritual life.

I'm just another anonymous Christian operating in obscurity. I'm content with that though. I'm learning slowly how to share my faith with others.
 
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Christmas time is one of the best times to grow in Christ, for growing in Him requires knowing Him. Considering the miraculous, awesome, astounding nature of the nativity through the cross causes us to reflect and meditate on just how much God loves us, doesn't it. And without an understanding of just how much God loves you and me, our attempts to grow in Christ are feeble. May we all feel a rise to higher expections and keep our hopes up at this time when God came to dwell among us. Bless all who come to this thread to seek a closer walk with Him, and a deeper understanding through fellowship with others who love Him. May you grow in Him as you ponder His miraculous nature.

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Hello Leastone. I was reading your post of the 27th April 2006, where you say you believe in a special group of people called ..elect or saints, I am not sure of what you are speaking about and maybe you are able to explain more clearly from God's word.

Some years ago, through a time of pressure, I was still and quiet inside while being pushed and pulled outwardly, the best way I can explain that would be opposition. During this time I felt rather heavy. I went into the kitchen and was washing the pots, my face down toward the bowl of water. I was cast down in my soul; then I looked up above the sink. There was a scene, right there on the wall dear brother, a panoramic view of miriads of people stretching from far left to far right, in the middle was another person, although his face was not clear to me I knew who he was. He spoke:

"You matter, not more than anyone else and not less"
I thought for a moment and said "I matter?" to which he replied,
"Who said you didnot?"

So this writing of special people is alien to me in the light of his word that he is no respector of persons, and the words he spoke that day to me that I percieved to be that we are of equal value in the Lord.

I am a little puzzled.. Jayh.
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To All:

My reasons for starting this thread are out of obedience to the Lord and because so many of us seem to be struggling to grow in Him. While I in no way know all there is to know of Him, and seek daily to learn from Him - both directly through His Word and His Spirit and from others who sit at His feet in Love - He continues to prompt me to take the risk and share what I have learned.

After He led me to share the following in another thread, He is now telling me to put this here. (In fact, in His gentle way, He will not leave me alone about it!) My constant prayer is to be pleasing to Him always, and be a blessing in some small way to others. And so it is with humility before Him that I offer this.

All I ask is that others will also post here what they have learned and are learning, that we may all grow in Him and come to the unity of faith, bonded together with Him in the Spirit of His great Love.


There was a time in my life when I did not think God liked me very much, when my whole life seemed to go from misery to misery. Yet, I believed; I knew the Bible very well; and I knew there was a love in me for Him. But I could never seem to get close to Him, and never really saw any specific answers to my prayers. I always felt as if I was following Jesus from way back in the crowd; as if I was climbing hills, only to catch a glimpse of Him going over another hill far in front of me. Finally, I just got fed up and told Him, "Lord. I don't care if You like me or not! I am still going to love You!" And right then, I made up my mind to know Him personally.

So what I would like to offer you are some practical steps that He led me to take (although at the time, I did not realize it was Him leading me) that He used to grow me and teach me and help me find Him. And what a difference this has made in my own prayer life.

1) Guard your tongue. Become aware of what you say out loud, for your words can rob you of any blessings He has for you. No matter how you feel, how depressed you get, etc., don't allow yourself to start speaking from those feelings. There are a multitude of scripture in the both the OT and NT which teach this.

2) Praise God. This truly helps in guarding the words of your mouth as well as overcoming negative feelings. You don't have to try to conjure up reasons for praising Him for the situation, just make up your mind to praise Him in the situation. He lead me (and I still do this at times when necessary) to say out loud: "I praise you Father that I am not moved by my feelings, but only by your Word. I praise you Father that I am not moved by what others say about me, but only by your Word." And so on. Truly, praise works!

3) Get His Word from your mind to your spirit. Two ways to help with this are (a) to never read the Bible without praying first, asking the Holy Spirit to guide you in it; to open your heart to receive what He is teaching you; to open your understanding to grasp it. Etc. And (b) go through the NT finding every passage where it talks about who we are in Christ and who He is in us. In other words, everything positive that applies to us being new creatures in Him. Make a tape recording of your own voice saying these passages, applying them to yourself. Our spirits pay attention to what we say, and since it is with our hearts that we believe - not our minds - by saying His Word aloud we can re-program our inner man according to that Word. Example: "I am the Righteousness of God in Christ." Then, play that tape! I would put on headphones at night and play it as I went to sleep, night after night for weeks.

4) Don't try to believe for more than you have faith to believe. Faith is like a muscle; it must be exercised in order to grow. Just as you would not begin lifting weights with the maximum amount - the goal you want to reach - until you built up to it, so don't try to believe too far beyond what you know you can believe for. Judging this is tricky, I agree. But you have to start somewhere and I believe the Lord will guide you. Many, many times I have wanted to believe, but had to admit I really did not have that big of faith. Don't set yourself up to fail; but don't set your sights too low either. Exercise your faith and it will grow, until you can believe for big miracles.

5) Make it your primary goal to know Christ Jesus. More than anything else, seek to know the Giver rather than the gift. Humble yourself - in your attitude especially - before Him and trust Him to guide you. Remember that love is not a feeling, rather love causes feelings. We know He loves us - just like we know anyone loves us - because He says He does. His love for us is not dependent upon our feelings about it, anymore than our parents love for us was dependent upon our feelings. Realizing this is extremely important in our being able to trust Him, for our trust - our faith - is very much dependent upon our knowing and believing in His love for us in Christ. And we know He loves us because His Word says He does, and God does not lie.

6) Remember we have an enemy and he is a liar! Daniel prayed and even though the Lord heard his prayer the first day, it took 21 days for the answer to come. Pray, believe (because of His Word) that in the Name of Jesus we can be sure that the Father hears and answers our prayers, and then persevere in thanking Him for answering our prayer. The enemy delights in robbing of us of our joy, faith, confidence, peace, etc., as well as the answers to our prayers. Stay the course!

7) Practice listening. Set some time (20-30 minutes) aside each day to sit quietly before the Lord. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Get a notebook and write what you hear inside. Don't worry about getting big revelations - because you probably won't; and don't worry if you don't get anything - because you may not for awhile. Consider it as you would any conversation: both sides talk in a conversation, not just one. So you are allowing the Lord His opportunity to speak to you and not you just talking to Him. And write down what comes to you. And even when you do begin to hear from Him, don't expect some earth-shattering revelations. For a long time the Lord had me practice this, just to learn how to hear Him no matter what was going on around me. And I am still learning. But measure everything you hear against His Word! And seek to be obedient to what He tells you. It is when we are faithful on the little things that He will trust us with bigger things.

8) Seek His will first and always. The Lord will never get in line with us; we must always get in line with Him. In all your prayers - for others as well as for yourself, seek His will.


May the Lord bless others through this, and continue to bless us all in the coming posts from His faithful ones.

LeastOne
Hello! My name is Beverly my user name is Prissy.I read your thread and I know that without a shadow of doult these words were for me. Thank you for being obedient to God:) .I love how you expressed paragraph 7,about listening to God and I'am going to do it! my mind is made up I do hope we can be friends.I really struggle in that area as far as seating still and listening.You know deep down inside of yourself you know what is right to do, but it seem hard to do,but for me when I hear or read
threads like this one it really make me think and want to do better.I'am a christian and believe all that you believe and I my spirit come in agreement with everything that you have wrote in this thread.I do also want a closer relationship with our Father who art in heaven.:amen: Prissy lol.
 
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Praise God, That was a great post. I don't know how to include quotes yet, but the word I bring relates to your getting to know God more.

Exercising our faith (#4) is where we have had difficulty understanding where our faith is. Jesus said "If you have the faith of a mustard seed you could speek to the mountain to be removed and it would obey. I have heard two testimonies where that happened in the spirit and overcame the obstacles that real hilly mountains created for the people.

Jesus is the word of God and all things were created by him, by the word. He didn't go out with his carpentry tools. The word is life and has life and it is obedient to the word of God. Jesus said, "Whatsoever things ye ask in my name, you shall receive (in accord with God's will).
Meditate on the power of a word. You were saying this, but I hope I have added a concentration on the power of the word; it must obey. Then you just believe and don't go to another source and create an Ishmael, something not according to God's promise.

"Those who come to God must believe that He is and He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." You know He is; that is your power; don't move your mind from that.

Have a heart for correction. Power is in obedience to the thruth. What are the critics saying. (7th day sabbath? there is no commandment for the first day) (Feast Days? Jesus said that man shall live by every word of God.) (Great deception, one would come and change times and seasons--he is the bad guy who would change the holy days and calendar.) This is a time of restoring what God gave to the children of Israel, the law for the promised land.

The power for your life and to reach nations is in obedience to "it is written". Trust only in the word of God, and praise the Lord as you said.

God bless you
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Quote: "You matter, not more than anyone else and not less"

You wanted to know who the elect and chosen were if the Lord said to you that you matter, not more than anyone else and not less".

God loves all people like you love all people. You want the very best for them. You want them to be your very close friends, people you could talk to about your purposes and they would get involved and you could share in the joy of accomplishing the tasks at hand.

Though you love all people and they matter to you (as they matter to God), some people are not interested in the things you care about, helping others, sharing the word of God, doing useful things for God. Instead of being involved with the things of God, they are engrossed with their occupations, their sports, their pasttimes and hobbies. You care about these people, but you will not associate with them; you cannot if they don't want the things of God.

The elect and chosen of God are those willing to die to their own ambitions, die to self to be born again to live as a child of God under His leadership and purposes.
He said to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all things will be added unto you. After you bring in the kingdom, the sports won't be for money, they will be to enjoy your friends and family. Your dancing and celebrations will be to rejoice in the glory of God for the abundant life. Your beauty will be that of righteousness and the glow of knowing you are pleasing our God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless you.
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I believe the the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit indwells believers once and for all. My spirit detects His Spirit always, (at any time I choose to), despite my spiritual condition at the time. Often, He's occupying a cell down in D Block.

When I am filled, I am immediately informed by His Spirit if I commit an infraction even when I do it impulsively, without deliberation or pre-meditation. Once informed, if I don't turn from it right then, His Spirit begins to diminish at that point. If I continue on my own, "living off the glow" but not deliberately moving closer to Him and dealing with the infraction(s), He eventually (usually sooner rather than later) ends up back in D Block. But actually, I am the one in the cold and dark.

I relate to an earlier post that basically says that some believers get no freebies, like throwing coins into a lake, there is never enough of a supply of them to start seeing the mound reach the surface where their presence is seen, not just believed in. This is me, and I'm not much of a bootstrapper spiritually.

When I am completely filled, I have the peace that passeth all understanding, literally, and so is the joy (hence my user name). No faith is required to substantiate His Presence, He is as real to me in those times as my wife is, and just as present, except that it doesn't include audio/visual events.

There are others out there somewhere that know exactly what I am talking about.

In these times, I am truly and completely having a relationship with the Living God. It's a though we had become one as far as our connection is concerned.

I can invite this filling, and take actions that are conducive to it, but even then, this filling seems bestowed, and that it occurs because He has chosen me rather than I have chosen Him, as though I was "called" to receive it. I register different extents of filling. In regard to the bestowing, I'm not talking about becoming filled, and the proportionately greater manifestations of it as it progresses, I'm talking "full", at least as my experience can define it so far. There are "levels" between the extremes. Again, there MUST be others who can relate, I am compelled to write this.

People can't understand how Peter could take a few steps toward Jesus on the water, then sink in fear and disbelief (rebellion), but I can. Or how could he walk with Jesus and witness told and untold manifestations of the Living God before his very eyes, then deny Him 3 times to save himself, but I can. I easily relate to and understand this.

I am a lot like Peter in the fact that I can go from one extreme to the other. And like Peter, I've had a lot of "bestowments" given me that should make staying on the high ground easy, but in reality it's just more coins in the water. I can also relate to and understand that later on, according to tradition, Peter may have requested to be crucified upside down.

Is there an ex-Peter out there? How did you overcome yourself?
 
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I believe the the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit indwells believers once and for all. My spirit detects His Spirit always, (at any time I choose to), despite my spiritual condition at the time. Often, He's occupying a cell down in D Block.

When I am filled, I am immediately informed by His Spirit if I commit an infraction even when I do it impulsively, without deliberation or pre-meditation. Once informed, if I don't turn from it right then, His Spirit begins to diminish at that point. If I continue on my own, "living off the glow" but not deliberately moving closer to Him and dealing with the infraction(s), He eventually (usually sooner rather than later) ends up back in D Block. But actually, I am the one in the cold and dark.

I relate to an earlier post that basically says that some believers get no freebies, like throwing coins into a lake, there is never enough of a supply of them to start seeing the mound reach the surface where their presence is seen, not just believed in. This is me, and I'm not much of a bootstrapper spiritually.

When I am completely filled, I have the peace that passeth all understanding, literally, and so is the joy (hence my user name). No faith is required to substantiate His Presence, He is as real to me in those times as my wife is, and just as present, except that it doesn't include audio/visual events.

There are others out there somewhere that know exactly what I am talking about.

In these times, I am truly and completely having a relationship with the Living God. It's a though we had become one as far as our connection is concerned.

I can invite this filling, and take actions that are conducive to it, but even then, this filling seems bestowed, and that it occurs because He has chosen me rather than I have chosen Him, as though I was "called" to receive it. I register different extents of filling. In regard to the bestowing, I'm not talking about becoming filled, and the proportionately greater manifestations of it as it progresses, I'm talking "full", at least as my experience can define it so far. There are "levels" between the extremes. Again, there MUST be others who can relate, I am compelled to write this.

People can't understand how Peter could take a few steps toward Jesus on the water, then sink in fear and disbelief (rebellion), but I can. Or how could he walk with Jesus and witness told and untold manifestations of the Living God before his very eyes, then deny Him 3 times to save himself, but I can. I easily relate to and understand this.

I am a lot like Peter in the fact that I can go from one extreme to the other. And like Peter, I've had a lot of "bestowments" given me that should make staying on the high ground easy, but in reality it's just more coins in the water. I can also relate to and understand that later on, according to tradition, Peter may have requested to be crucified upside down.

Is there an ex-Peter out there? How did you overcome yourself?

Favorite, I certainly identify with everything you said in your post. I also agree with it. I don't understand how I can flip flop the way I do in my walk. Usually I am appalled at what can come out of my mouth from time to time. I too, can understand how Peter switched gears the way he did - I seem to do a lot of that myself. I am not an "ex - Peter" as you called it. I don't know how to remain in that place where as you said when I commit the slightest "infraction" I can feel or hear or sense the HS touching my soul, bringing conviction. It boggles my mind that I ever choose to leave that place. But I do. The flesh is still very strong in me. I was reading Psalm 139 prior to replying to your post. It is one of my favorites. It also seems appropriate to this post.

1 O Lord, you have examined my heart
and know everything about me.
2 You know when I sit down or stand up.
You know my thoughts even when I’m far away.
3 You see me when I travel
and when I rest at home.
You know everything I do.
4 You know what I am going to say
even before I say it, Lord.
5 You go before me and follow me.
You place your hand of blessing on my head.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too great for me to understand!

7 I can never escape from your Spirit!
I can never get away from your presence!
8 If I go up to heaven, you are there;
if I go down to the grave, you are there.
9 If I ride the wings of the morning,
if I dwell by the farthest oceans,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
and your strength will support me.
11 I could ask the darkness to hide me
and the light around me to become night—
12 but even in darkness I cannot hide from you.
To you the night shines as bright as day.
Darkness and light are the same to you.
13 You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it.
15 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16 You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.
17 How precious are your thoughts about me, O God.
They cannot be numbered!
18 I can’t even count them;
they outnumber the grains of sand!
And when I wake up,
you are still with me!
19 O God, if only you would destroy the wicked!
Get out of my life, you murderers!
20 They blaspheme you;
your enemies misuse your name.
21 O Lord, shouldn’t I hate those who hate you?
Shouldn’t I despise those who oppose you?
22 Yes, I hate them with total hatred,
for your enemies are my enemies. 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.
24 Point out anything in me that offends you,
and lead me along the path of everlasting life.

May the Lord help us both to stay in that place as long as He desires us to be there. God bless you,
Pilgrim

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Thank you so much i have a feeling this is exactlly what i was looking for. I have been having a really hard time feeling god there or feeling like it was truley a two sided conversation. I think i have just been spending to much time talking and not enough listening. Thank you so much for posting, you have no idea how much your guidlines have helped
 
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I believe the the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit indwells believers once and for all. My spirit detects His Spirit always, (at any time I choose to), despite my spiritual condition at the time. Often, He's occupying a cell down in D Block.

When I am filled, I am immediately informed by His Spirit if I commit an infraction even when I do it impulsively, without deliberation or pre-meditation. Once informed, if I don't turn from it right then, His Spirit begins to diminish at that point. If I continue on my own, "living off the glow" but not deliberately moving closer to Him and dealing with the infraction(s), He eventually (usually sooner rather than later) ends up back in D Block. But actually, I am the one in the cold and dark.

I relate to an earlier post that basically says that some believers get no freebies, like throwing coins into a lake, there is never enough of a supply of them to start seeing the mound reach the surface where their presence is seen, not just believed in. This is me, and I'm not much of a bootstrapper spiritually.

When I am completely filled, I have the peace that passeth all understanding, literally, and so is the joy (hence my user name). No faith is required to substantiate His Presence, He is as real to me in those times as my wife is, and just as present, except that it doesn't include audio/visual events.

There are others out there somewhere that know exactly what I am talking about.

In these times, I am truly and completely having a relationship with the Living God. It's a though we had become one as far as our connection is concerned.

I can invite this filling, and take actions that are conducive to it, but even then, this filling seems bestowed, and that it occurs because He has chosen me rather than I have chosen Him, as though I was "called" to receive it. I register different extents of filling. In regard to the bestowing, I'm not talking about becoming filled, and the proportionately greater manifestations of it as it progresses, I'm talking "full", at least as my experience can define it so far. There are "levels" between the extremes. Again, there MUST be others who can relate, I am compelled to write this.

People can't understand how Peter could take a few steps toward Jesus on the water, then sink in fear and disbelief (rebellion), but I can. Or how could he walk with Jesus and witness told and untold manifestations of the Living God before his very eyes, then deny Him 3 times to save himself, but I can. I easily relate to and understand this.

I am a lot like Peter in the fact that I can go from one extreme to the other. And like Peter, I've had a lot of "bestowments" given me that should make staying on the high ground easy, but in reality it's just more coins in the water. I can also relate to and understand that later on, according to tradition, Peter may have requested to be crucified upside down.

Is there an ex-Peter out there? How did you overcome yourself?
Favoritetoyisjoy,

Compelling post. If you are not familiar with the writings and autobiography of Jeanne Guyon, you may want to acquaint yourself with them--I believe you would find in them a kindred spirit.

BBG
 
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This is something I have noticed throughout my life. When we deal with people out of our hurt, we get hurt. But when we put on the clothes outlined in scripture, as you stated, and we speak with God's lips so to say and look with His eyes and hear with His ears, the world is a different place.

Tonight I stopped at the store to get a soda for my daughter. As I approached the counter, a man was acting very wierd. He was anxious about something. I felt in my spirit that he was sad. He made a statement as I got in line, "This is my first pack of cigarettes in 6 months. I am not prepared." The cashier missed this obvious opportunity for conversation and the man continued. "It is amazing what a man will do when he gets bad news." I wanted so badly to say something to him. To tell him it will be okay. "Trust me...I haven't been having an easy time lately, but because the Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want. I made it through and so will you. Just trust in the Lord and ask Him to carry your burdens." But I didn't. I just watched him walk away...wanting so badly to speak to someone. Well, my daughter is very in tune despite stating she doesn't really believe in God (or not believe in Him). She has this gift of knowing exactly when something is wrong. So as I approached my car, I saw her staring at the man. She says, "Mommy, something is wrong with that man. Is he okay?" The man was walking around the parking lot with his cigarette and just very axious. I feel that I really missed an opportunity this evening. I prayed with my daugther that the Lord would reach out to the man. It was my own fear of being a female with two young girls (my 13 year old and 7 month old) in the car that caused me to be weary. He seemed as though he might have been drinking or possibly experiencing an episode of dimentia. He was not right. And I feel like if I had been properly clothed, I might have had the courage to not worry about myself and my girls but instead trust the Lord that I saw all of this because I was looking with His eyes and He would have given me the words and the actions this man needed that might have made him not even finish that first cigarette.

Father, I pray now in the mighty name of Jesus that as we grow in your grace, you will allow us to see with your eyes, hear with your ears, give with your hands, and speak with your words. Lord, may we hear what people are saying and not what they are speaking. May we see what they are doing and not what they want us to see. May we not miss opportunities...divide appointments....because of fear that society has put upon us but instead take all of them and make a difference for the kingdom. Father, I pray now and ask that whoever read this post will agree with me that you will protect that man tonight. That you will put your arms around him, hug him, and let him know you are there. I even pray that you sent someone to him who helped him. Father please protect all of those out there who are behaving destructively because of bad news and bad circumstances. Remind them that you are still God and that you know the other side of our canvases. You are in control and you will never let us fall from your arms. In Jesus' mighty and precious name I pray, Amen.

Bless you all. Have a great Sunday!

Not a problem juice. I am being shown so much. There are days the Lord's love, compassion, and mercy overwhelms me to the point of tears.

Has anyone ever put on the clothes outlined in Scripture? The clothing of kindness, gentleness, humility, and so forth. Then actually noticed a difference in how you are dealing with others.
 
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I am not to judge you in any way, but if you had been properly clothed, you could have talked to him? If that was the only reason, I guess it means that we are to be ready at any time being a witness to the Lord. He gives us those opportunities often, but we because of our weaknesses fail often.

We all need to clothe Jesus. Not anything else. Give us Your strength, Lord. Amen
 
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It's an amazing thing when we wear Christ's clothes over the armor given to us. With the application of both, we are prepared to assist and detain all we come in contact with.

How unfortunate, when the Lord opens are eyes to where He is working, that we stand dumbfounded, unsure, uncertain, and unclear. It is at these times, which I have been amiss in many, that I must ask for boldness.

To be prepared in season and out of season requires all elements of materials given us through Scripture. Meaning there is a reason we are to clothe ourselves in compassion, humility, love, ect. There is a reason we are given armor for protection. There is a reason we are to ask for a willing, steadfast spirit. And there is a reason we are to ask and pray for others to have the boldness required to speak and act like Christ.
 
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