3abn Continued

[truthmagnet]

rosie, i appreciate your thought but not everyone heals in the same way. you never know; maybe one morning you might wake up and really be mad.
i have forgiven my abuser but i know what it can do to a child, how it can form or deform their entire look on life and everytime i hear of it, it makes me furious.
we as individuals deal with things differently and we have to go through different processes to get there. tho' you are trying to give a positive simple answer, "gave my heart to the God", that might not work that easy for everyone. that actually can make people in this situation feel even more guilt because they think, well i must not be trusting or believing in God enough. God is the right person with the right plan to help us walk through these times in our life but it's just not always that simple, especially when it's out in the open.
you didn't say if you ever confronted your assailant. i'm thinking you probably didn't, so in your case, things were quite different don't you think? i'm glad you made the comment, but i just dont see it being that simple for these young men. just a thought.

dclem, I have also been sexually abused as a little girl and I am not a counselor. Nor did I ever go to a counselor about it.

It didn't take me months and months to get over it. When I became an adult and gave my heart to God, a lot of healing happened right then and there. I forgave my assailant and went on with my life.

There is a time to forgive and let God take care of it. He knows just how to deal with abusers. And if they don't pay for their crimes in this life, they most certainly will eventually because judgment will come.

 

[Jimlarmore]

This is a meaningless poll since there was only one on Danny's side that voted at all and that was me. Thinking back on my vote I even disagree with my own vote now. At the time I thought that I have never seen a divorce where both sides didn't stretched the truth somewhere along the way. No one knows for sure but the players and God.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Adventist Dissident]

poll results and participatants vote (poll is public record)

Danny is lying awesumtenor, DarylFawcett, dclem, icedragon101, noahswife, Pickle, Pinkpanther007, RC_NewProtestants, Rosyroi, sonshineonme 10 83.33%

Linda is lying? 0 0%

Both are lying Jimlarmore 1 8.33%

Both think they are telling the truth? StormyOne 1 8.33%

to view poll results click on the # of voters or the bar. poll in located in another thread.

 

[dclem]

DClem,
How old were you when Tommy abused you?

I was 19.

 

[Jimlarmore]

I was 19.

Thankyou for being honest about this.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[tomatoe]

rosie, i appreciate your thought but not everyone heals in the same way. you never know; maybe one morning you might wake up and really be mad.
i have forgiven my abuser but i know what it can do to a child, how it can form or deform their entire look on life and everytime i hear of it, it makes me furious.
we as individuals deal with things differently and we have to go through different processes to get there. tho' you are trying to give a positive simple answer, "gave my heart to the God", that might not work that easy for everyone. that actually can make people in this situation feel even more guilt because they think, well i must not be trusting or believing in God enough. God is the right person with the right plan to help us walk through these times in our life but it's just not always that simple, especially when it's out in the open.
you didn't say if you ever confronted your assailant. i'm thinking you probably didn't, so in your case, things were quite different don't you think? i'm glad you made the comment, but i just dont see it being that simple for these young men. just a thought.

Duane was NOT a child. He himself said he was a 20 year old man. Big difference

 

[tomatoe]

Duane was NOT a child. He himself said he was a 20 year old man. Big difference

Ok he just said 19, I stand corrected on the exact age but maintain that he was not a child.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Ok he just said 19, I stand corrected on the exact age but maintain that he was not a child.

then wouldn't that be rape, if he did not consent.

 

[noahswife]

then wouldn't that be rape, if he did not consent.

IceDragon101,

In many states where a professional has abused their authority it is considered a type of sexual exploitation. Because of the obvious differences between the parties, consent is not even an issue.

http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/whatissexualexploitation.asp

 

[Adventist Dissident]

IceDragon101,

In many states where a professional has abused their authority it is considered sexual exploitation. Because of the obvious differences between the parties consent is not even an issue.

you are right. i am not arguing that point. I certiantly agree with you. what i was trying to say is that some people will say that because he was over 18 he could not be abused. That is not true. any time it is not consentual then it is abuse. the legal age limit. only allows a person in the eyes of the law to give consent. it does not make foced or minipulated sex any less abusive.

 

[Pickle]

Mr. Bob Pickle,
I ask you again sir, has Linda Shelton paid you for doing what you are doing on this and other forums?

Not a penny.

Actually, I think it bothered her when for so long I kept saying that I didn't know if she was innocent or guilty. She's glad I've finally gotten off the fence to the point that I've said that definitely as of July 17, 2004, she was innocent of the sin of fornication.

 

[Pickle]

tomatoe,

Did you find out if the source(s) got it wrong about that March 15 trip to Minneapolis?

 

[PeacefulSDA]

PB how long do you think it took? You have no idea what my age was when I was abused. Go figure....

Rosie55,
I got that information from your post. Yes, I don't know your age but the time between being a child and becoming an adult is usually measured in years. It was just an polite observation that your post seemed to say two conflicting things.

If I misread what you meant, I apologize.

 

[tomatoe]

then wouldn't that be rape, if he did not consent.

Rape would be by force. Was Duane taken by physical force. And in what way since allegedly the actual (act) wasn't what happened.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Rape would be by force. Was Duane taken by physical force. And in what way since allegedly the actual (act) wasn't what happened.

i don't know and you don't either. we have is word to take for it. I for one believe him or at least i give him the benifit of the doubht.

 

[tomatoe]

Notice that I did not say that her hiding his gun was a "basis" for the divorce, but rather than Danny said that their marriage was over because she hid his gun. And I still think that is an accurate summary of what he said.

QUOTE(Lee @ Mar 27 2007,

Yes, how did Danny feel when you posted all those letters from Linda for all the public to see about intimate things from his marriage. Pickle--you have a lot of gall. Neither you nor Joy used Matt. 18 and yet you immediately say FHB should have. Better wake up man! A new day is dawning...


BP:
Whoever posted them could plainly see that those letters from Danny represented his side of the story. That's the point. Danny's side was that the marriage was over because Linda had hidden his gun. That's what he said on April 27, 2004. His words, not Linda's.

Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that hiding a gun constitutes biblical grounds for divorce.

That from the save not site.

6th April 2007, 07:10 PM

Pickle
Regular Member

• On April 21, 2004, Danny Shelton stated that the marriage was over after Linda hid his gun.

6th April 2007, 08:09 AM
10:57 PM

Feel free to post here any emails from Danny that you think exonerate him. But I think it is fairly clear to all our readers that Danny did indeed say that the marriage was over because Linda had hidden his gun.

Spin it any way you wish, it still says what it says.

Originally Posted by Pickle http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=33584437#post33584437

But we should make it clear for our readers here that Seventh-day Adventists do not approve of Danny's stated reason for ending the marriage: That Linda hid his gun.

 

[tomatoe]

tomatoe,

Did you find out if the source(s) got it wrong about that March 15 trip to Minneapolis?

Mr. Pickle, I admit, I am confused. Why are you asking me if your source got it wrong when this is what you said about the trip yesterday:


PICKLE

Just to let you know, I did verify the information by checking out sources before posting it. So I wasn't going on mere hear say.

 

[Pickle]

It seemed to me that "basis" suggested that Danny in the divorce suit stated that that was why he was ending the marriage. I did not want to leave the impression that he had done that.

But I do stand behind what I said. He did write on April 27, 2004, that the marriage was over and impossible for Linda to save because she had hidden his gun. Did he mean what he said?

And I think the Save3ABN web site is accurate on that point as well.

 

[Pickle]

No confusion necessary.

I previously asked if the sources got it wrong, something like that. You hadn't replied yet, so I thought I'd see if you had found out anything.

I doubt the sources are wrong, but I always try to keep an open mind.

Mr. Pickle, I admit, I am confused. Why are you asking me if your source got it wrong when this is what you said about the trip yesterday:


PICKLE

Just to let you know, I did verify the information by checking out sources before posting it. So I wasn't going on mere hear say.

 

[tomatoe]

It seemed to me that "basis" suggested that Danny in the divorce suit stated that that was why he was ending the marriage. I did not want to leave the impression that he had done that.

But I do stand behind what I said. He did write on April 27, 2004, that the marriage was over and impossible for Linda to save because she had hidden his gun. Did he mean what he said?

And I think the Save3ABN web site is accurate on that point as well.

But I think it is fairly clear to all our readers that Danny did indeed say that the marriage was over because Linda had hidden his gun.


Please save your excuses for those who are gullible enough to buy swamp land in the desert.