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[Jimlarmore]

No, you're thinking of another victim's statement. There WAS contact in my case.

Ok, so I must have read another person's statement much earlier then , sorry. I'm going to go back and see if I can find that statement to see who it was.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[dclem]

dclem, I have also been sexually abused as a little girl and I am not a counselor. Nor did I ever go to a counselor about it.

It didn't take me months and months to get over it. When I became an adult and gave my heart to God, a lot of healing happened right then and there. I forgave my assailant and went on with my life.

There is a time to forgive and let God take care of it. He knows just how to deal with abusers. And if they don't pay for their crimes in this life, they most certainly will eventually because judgment will come.

First of all, I am truly sorry that you suffered abuse as a child. It is a horrible thing that no one should have to go through.

I am also very happy for you that you have been able to get over it as you have. I have forgiven Tommy as well. However, I stayed silent for years and others were abused. That's my fault. Also, I am now a minister and work with teenagers. Can you see the damage that it would bring to my ministry if my name came up in this later and I hadn't said anything?

I'm not trying to be vindictive. I'm speaking out to protect my ministry and my teens.

 

[dclem]

Ok, so I must have read another person's statement much earlier then , sorry. I'm going to go back and see if I can find that statement to see who it was.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

No prob

 

[Jimlarmore]

I am also very happy for you that you have been able to get over it as you have. I have forgiven Tommy as well. However, I stayed silent for years and others were abused. That's my fault.

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Your decision to stay silent for those years does not make you culpable for the other abuses. If you truely believe that then you are in need of some councelling. Sorry but I call it like I see it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Pickle]

Jim, feel free to quote where you think I said that Danny made Linda's hiding his gun a basis for his divorce.

I see you declined to comment on whether Walt or Danny could be held liable for libel.

 

[Pickle]

Jim,

It doesn't hurt to be kind.

 

[Rosie55]

Rosie55,
You said it didn't take months and months to get over the sexual abuse you experienced as a child and yet you said that, as an adult, when you gave your heart to God a lot of your healing took place right then. Do you realized that it was years and years from the time you were abused until you became and adult and forgave?

I share much the same experience for it wasn't until I began a real relationship with our Lord that I was able to forgive and truly begin to start healing. Two of my abusers were dead before I reached my adult years so it was a lot easier to place the abuse in God's hands.

However, there is a huge difference between forgiveness of the abuser and silence about the abuse. If you went on with your life after forgiving the abuser without speaking out to ensure that no other child would become a victim, in my opinion you are still under his control to a degree.

PB how long do you think it took? You have no idea what my age was when I was abused. Go figure....

 

[Jimlarmore]

Jim,

It doesn't hurt to be kind.

I hope I haven't been unkind to you sir. If you feel I have then I apologize. The very nature of adversarial dialogue seems unkind on both sides. I am trying my best to show the love of Christ in what I say. I do not want to use an invective stance anymore with you or anyone else. I always try to end my communicae's with a blessing from God for you or who ever I am responding to, or have you ignored that?

As far as Danny and Walt goes their defense if needed will come from documented testimonies of visits by pastors and co-workers from 3ABN who tried in vain to get Linda to stop her affair , illicit or not , with this Doctor. If you use the legal scale of balances to weigh what Linda and you guys have written against Danny as opposed to what Danny has written against Linda it would lean extremely one way. Guess which way that would be?

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Jimlarmore]

I just wanted to quote this one more time for those who may have missed it the first time around.

Reason for ASI’s Withdrawal

ASI’s decision to withdraw was not based on the merits of the divorce and remarriage issues or any of the other issues we were urged to consider. ASI’s decision was based solely on the barriers we encountered in attempting to reach agreement between the parties on a process whereby the commission would study the issues.

ASI’s Initial Considerations

ASI believed it could develop a process that would be fair to all parties, utilizing a panel of ASI members selected for their spirituality, fairness and intelligence. The parties would be chosen through a panel selection process.
ASI proposed a process to assure a fair due process to all concerned.
ASI believed it was essential that it have the active involvement of all parties in this process.

Danny and 3ABN Accept

By December 10, 2006, Danny Shelton (afterward referred to as Danny) and 3ABN had accepted the process proposed by ASI.

Unexpected Barriers

Linda [formerly Mrs. Danny Shelton] (afterward referred to as Linda) did not participate personally in discussions to develop an agreed upon process.
Linda identified Gaylon Arthur Joy (afterward referred to as Joy) as her representative. Joy, in turn, introduced Bob Pickle (afterward referred to as Pickle) and Greg Matthews (afterward referred to as Matthews) as his team members.
Linda’s team:
Did not accept that ASI was capable of providing a fair forum to decide the issues
Insisted on including issues involving allegations of mismanagement and corporate misconduct at 3ABN
Would not accept the ground rules for the panel’s procedures
Would not cease harassing e-mail contact with Danny or other 3ABN representatives
Would not cease, when requested to do so, circulating distracting comments about the process under discussion with ASI
We never learned whether Linda approved of the positions asserted by her team. At no time did Linda respond except to say that Joy would be her representative.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Jimlarmore]

I found this in post #236

quote=Pickle;33448798On April 27, 2004, Danny emphatically stated to someone who was not his wife (by his definition I believe this constituted "spiritual adultery") that his marriage was over because Linda had hidden his gun

This is what I am talking about Mr. Pickle.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[dclem]

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Your decision to stay silent for those years does not make you culpable for the other abuses. If you truely believe that then you are in need of some councelling. Sorry but I call it like I see it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

It's no one's call but mine about whether I need counselling.

 

[Pickle]

Jim,

You misunderstood me. I was referring to your saying that Duane needed counseling for the reason that you cited. And the facts are that if he had immediately reported what allegedly happened to him, it is highly likely that his brother would not have been allegedly victimized in 1988.


It isn't documented testimonies that Walt and Danny are going to need. It is documentation that there indeed was an adulterous affair going on. And that will be their difficulty. They will have a difficult time proving that many of their statements are true.

As far as the ASI statement goes, note the following facts:

• Gailon and I did accept that ASI was capable of providing a fair forum, if they so chose, and we argued to this end with quite a few others.
• Both sides were to have input into the ground rules, but it turned out that the grounds rules were set in stone before we began negotiating. For example, Harold would not consider our request that both sides get to ask questions, and that the evidence be deposited at the heritage rooms of college libraries after the process was over.
• At no time did either Walt or Danny respond within the group discussions, yet Harold only faults Linda in this regard. Why?

I might beg to differ with other of Harold's assertions in your selected quote.

 

[Pickle]

I found this in post #236


This is what I am talking about Mr. Pickle.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Notice that I did not say that her hiding his gun was a "basis" for the divorce, but rather than Danny said that their marriage was over because she hid his gun. And I still think that is an accurate summary of what he said.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Notice that I did not say that her hiding his gun was a "basis" for the divorce, but rather than Danny said that their marriage was over because she hid his gun. And I still think that is an accurate summary of what he said.

This is essentially what I was talking about Bob when I was speaking of intent. You've taken a statement made by Danny out of context and applied a wrongful meaning to it to support what you want it to mean to slander Danny. I read that paragraph and this is not an accurate summary at all. Doing this is where you will be eaten alive in a case of libel in court.

Twisting it around to make it sound as though it was Danny's excuse for divorcing her is where the slander and wrongful maligning comes in.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Pickle]

I can respect you for your opinion, but when I read what he wrote, I still come up with the conclusion that the straw that broke the camel's back was Linda hiding his gun. If she hadn't have hid his gun, he never would have written her sister that day and said that the marriage was over.

 

[truthmagnet]

well, actually you do not have to put up with anything because you do not have to come in here. the accusers are on both sides, cliff2

Do not worry about the last 48 hours.

This issue has been going on now for about 12 months and still after all that time not one issue has been settled at all.

Tommy has been send to "coventry" by most people.

We have no idea of what is true and what is false.

But the acussers keep it going and all of us have to keep putting up with it.

 

[Jimlarmore]

DClem,
How old were you when Tommy abused you?

 

[Jimlarmore]

Mr. Bob Pickle,
I ask you again sir, has Linda Shelton paid you for doing what you are doing on this and other forums? Has Linda Shelton paid you to represent her in any proceeding connected to this mess?

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[truthmagnet]

NOW YOU ARE GETTING ME MAD. you have no idea what these victims are going through. i was abused by my father and it took me 33 years to find the courage to stand up for myself! and what made me finally do that was finding out that he had done the same to my daugher when she was 12yrs. old and to my neice when she was 5yrs. old so you need to put a lid on it!

Well sorry pal, that is not a good enough answer.

There are so many of these alleged victims and now you are trying to tell me that after about 12 months not opne of them will step up to the plate and make an official complaint.

I doubt if that is the case.

Tell me, what is in it for you as you seem to be on a one man whitch hunt against 3ABN.

Come clean and tell us why you are so involved.

I have nothing at all to do with 3ABN and have no maxe to grind one way or another.

So what is your involvment in trying to bring 3ABN down.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

poll results and participatants vote (poll is public record)

Danny is lying awesumtenor, DarylFawcett, dclem, icedragon101, noahswife, Pickle, Pinkpanther007, RC_NewProtestants, Rosyroi, sonshineonme 10 83.33%

Linda is lying? 0 0%

Both are lying Jimlarmore 1 8.33%

Both think they are telling the truth? StormyOne 1 8.33%