Jesus through Mary

[lionroar0]

Oh brother.. You are a hoot. Can you seperate the gopher wood from Gods divinity? Or was God born in a box? Jesus was the word Made flesh. The New Ark. God with us. Same as the Ark was God with us. His word contained in the Ark. Jesus is Gods word contained in a human likeness.

Jesus was God at the moment of His conception when he took on human nature. This happened inside the womb of Mary.

Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

Jesus was God at the moment of His conception when he took on human nature. This happened inside the womb of Mary.

Peace

Jesus was God before the conception. He became flesh. He is the ark. Mary does not contain the word of God in Her and is not emmanuel God is with us. Jesus is. He is the word that took on human likeness. As Gods word was in a box made of Gopher wood now Gods word is contained in the man Jesus Christ. For He was the Word before He was conceived. Mary was the woman who made the flesh that contained the word. Just as the men made the Box of Gopher wood. No difference and we don't bow to them that made the box do we? Mary may have made the flesh that contained the Word but she is not the ark. She is the maker of the ark.

 

[littlebutterfly]

Oh brother.. You are a hoot. Can you seperate the gopher wood from Gods divinity? Or was God born in a box? Jesus was the word Made flesh. The New Ark. God with us. Same as the Ark was God with us. His word contained in the Ark. Jesus is Gods word contained in a human likeness.

Excellent!
All through the Bible we see recorded God's providing 'foreshadows' of His redemption... the Ark of the Covenant being one.

 

[littlebutterfly]

The Nestorian heresy is still with us

It is not Nestroianism to understand that Jesus, ever eternal 2nd member of the Godhead, emptied Himself and took the form of a man during His time on earth. In so doing redeemed mankind, and continues to live at the right hand of the Father, our sole intercessor.

Philippians 2:5-11

5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,

6 who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,

7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.

8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.

9 Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;

10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,

11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[repentant]

Oh brother.. You are a hoot. Can you seperate the gopher wood from Gods divinity? Or was God born in a box? Jesus was the word Made flesh. The New Ark. God with us. Same as the Ark was God with us. His word contained in the Ark. Jesus is Gods word contained in a human likeness.

You really need to look over the OT...the Ark was NOT GOD..

Jesus is not the Word contained in a human likeness, His entire being, Body and Spirit, is the Word and is God..

Let me ask you, when Jesus ascended, did He ascend in Spirit, or in Body?

 

[IamAdopted]

You really need to look over the OT...the Ark was NOT GOD..

Jesus is not the Word contained in a human likeness, His entire being, Body and Spirit, is the Word and is God..

Let me ask you, when Jesus ascended, did He ascend in Spirit, or in Body?

Let me ask you. when He ascended was He still not the Word of God? He was not flesh before He became flesh. He was the word before He became flesh. Jesus is the new ark of the Covenant. He alone is the Word of God made in human likeness. He alone sits on the right hand side of God. He alone brings salvation. HE alone was called emmanuel God is with us.

 

[Xaerne]

Mary rightly deserves the title "Mother of God" not in the sense that she is the source of the Trinity, but in the sense that she is the "Theotokos" or "God-bearer". Mary carried not only Jesus's human nature, but also his divine nature (though she did not create his divine nature) in her womb. Mary is the Mother of Jesus who is not only fully human but fully divine.

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. Jesus is the New Covenant. Jesus is what was inside the Ark:

1. The Ark contained the staff of Aaron, a sign of priesthood. Jesus is the true royal and eternal priest in whom all borrow their priesthood. Therefore t
2. The Ark contained the tablet of the Ten Commandments. Jesus is the true Word of God.
3. The Ark contained the manna, the bread God gave to his people. Jesus is the bread of life.

Now, I really don't think we can substitute "the flesh of Jesus" there and be correct. However we can put Mary in substitution of the Ark and be correct. Mary contained in her womb the true royal and eternal Priest, the true Word of God, and the bread of life. Jesus did not contain but was the true royal and eternal Priest, the true Word of God and the Bread of Life. The Old Testament also foreshadows this. David, when the Ark was brought to him, said "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?". When Mary visits Elizabeth, she exclaims "And how does this happen to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?". This exclamation also points out that Mary was the Mother of God. For there is only one Lord, the one God.

 

[WarriorAngel]

ARK...the Object that CARRIED the WORD of God.

Not the Word that carried the word...

It is not proper context to say the Word carried the word of God.

The Ark contained the word of God....
Mary contained the Word of God.

Christ was carried by His Mother...He didnt carry Himself til birth.

 

[repentant]

Let me ask you. when He ascended was He still not the Word of God? He was not flesh before He became flesh. He was the word before He became flesh. Jesus is the new ark of the Covenant. He alone is the Word of God made in human likeness. He alone sits on the right hand side of God. He alone brings salvation. HE alone was called emmanuel God is with us.

He was always and always will be the Word of God. I asked you a question, did Jesus ascend in Spirit or in Body? Is it that hard to answer? Jesus is not the Ark, the Ark carried God's Word, Jesus IS God's Word..do you not understand this?

 

[IamAdopted]

He was always and always will be the Word of God. I asked you a question, did Jesus ascend in Spirit or in Body? Is it that hard to answer? Jesus is not the Ark, the Ark carried God's Word, Jesus IS God's Word..do you not understand this?

was Jesus alway in flesh? No He became flesh. Therefore He is the word carried in human likness. He will rule the world with an iron Rod. He is the bread that came out of Heaven. The 10 commandments Jesus fulfilled. Bringing us a new covenant Grace and His blood. He is the high Priest. All of there pertain to Christ. After His birth He was called emmanuel. God is with us. Just as the Ark was Jesus is. It is the Flesh that carried the word of God. For He was not flesh before He was born. In this tent of Flesh was carried the word of God. For our human bodies are just our tents. In The human likness of Christ was carried the Word of God. When He comes back He will still be the word of God. He has His glorified Body now but still is the Word of God. We still have Him with us for He says where two or three are gathered in my name. THERE I AM in the midst of them. The Ark. The Word of God.

 

[Davidnic]

was Jesus alway in flesh? No He became flesh. Therefore He is the word carried in human likness. He will rule the world with an iron Rod. He is the bread that came out of Heaven. The 10 commandments Jesus fulfilled. Bringing us a new covenant Grace and His blood. He is the high Priest. All of there pertain to Christ. After His birth He was called emmanuel. God is with us. Just as the Ark was Jesus is. It is the Flesh that carried the word of God. For He was not flesh before He was born. In this tent of Flesh was carried the word of God. For our human bodies are just our tents. In The human likness of Christ was carried the Word of God. When He comes back He will still be the word of God. He has His glorified Body now but still is the Word of God. We still have Him with us for He says where two or three are gathered in my name. THERE I AM in the midst of them. The Ark. The Word of God.

Our human bodies are not just tents or they would be easily cast aside. But we will be bodily resurrected so our bodies are not incidental and Christ is not God in the seeming of man or clothed as a man or in human likeness...but God fully human and fully divine.

The Ark contained more than just the law. It contained the Priesthood and the bread of life. But it was not these things. It was sanctified by these things and the presence of God upon it.

The Ark was where God came to rest. But the Ark is not God. In analogy the ark is Mary and the Ark is not God.

Who was sanctified by the presence of God made man within her? Who contained inside the bread of life, the Staff of the Priesthood and the Living law? Mary. She held these things but was not these things. Christ, our Lord is these things. The ark was not God so Christ in analogy can not be the ark. She is the new representation of the ark.

And it is by Mary cooperation with God's plan that Christ came to us. By free choice sin entered the world and by free choice our Savior was accepted by a loving mother. Jesus through Mary.

We do not need to go to Him through Mary. But her part in this should not be diminished. She is the one who nursed Him. Loved Him. Held Him. And unlike others she was faithful to the foot of the Cross. We can learn much through her example.

And for those of us who believe that she (and all with our Lord) are alive in Christ and able to help us grow and understand and pray for us, she remains (and will remain) someone we venerate with the utmost respect as a guide and example. She is not above Christ and never will be, but she is very important and remains relevant to us today.

 

[IamAdopted]

Our human bodies are not just tents or they would be easily cast aside. But we will be bodily resurrected so our bodies are not incidental and Christ is not God in the seeming of man or clothed as a man or in human likeness...but God fully human and fully divine.

The Ark contained more than just the law. It contained the Priesthood and the bread of life. But it was not these things. It was sanctified by these things and the presence of God upon it.

The Ark was where God came to rest. But the Ark is not God. In analogy the ark is Mary and the Ark is not God.

Who was sanctified by the presence of God made man within her? Who contained inside the bread of life, the Staff of the Priesthood and the Living law? Mary. She held these things but was not these things. Christ, our Lord is these things. The ark was not God so Christ in analogy can not be the ark. She is the new representation of the ark.

And it is by Mary cooperation with God's plan that Christ came to us. By free choice sin entered the world and by free choice our Savior was accepted by a loving mother. Jesus through Mary.

We do not need to go to Him through Mary. But her part in this should not be diminished. She is the one who nursed Him. Loved Him. Held Him. And unlike others she was faithful to the foot of the Cross. We can learn much through her example.

And for those of us who believe that she (and all with our Lord) are alive in Christ and able to help us grow and understand and pray for us, she remains (and will remain) someone we venerate with the utmost respect as a guide and example. She is not above Christ and never will be, but she is very important and remains relevant to us today.

3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Yes our bodies are descibed as tents. I forgot some tee hee..

1Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling,

 

[Davidnic]

Yes our bodies are descibed as tents. I forgot some tee hee..

But the way you are using the word tent is as something that is simply a covering in relation to the the humanity of Christ:

In this tent of Flesh was carried the word of God. For our human bodies are just our tents. In The human likness of Christ was carried the Word of God.

Am I understanding you right or are we shooting past each other?

The usages of the word tent in Scripture juxtapose it to the glorified body but that body is still ours.

 

[IamAdopted]

But the way you are using the word tent is as something that is simply a covering in relation to the the humanity of Christ:



Am I understanding you right or are we shooting past each other?

The usages of the word tent in Scripture juxtapose it to the glorified body but that body is still ours.

If you will look and see in that scripture than our human bodes are made from man. Since the first creation God gave Adam and Eve the ability to procreate by themselves. So our human bodies are made of man. When we come into Gods Kingdom we get our bodies that God has made for us. Jesus Human body was made from man, or if you want to be technical woman. Pro creation lets say.Mortal bodies that can die. So with this in mind this makes Jesus the ARk of the new covenant. Not Mary for she is not the word of God . She is not the one who will rule with an iron rod. She is not a high preist. She is not the one who gave us this new covenant that we are called by now. She is the maker of the ARK. The human Body of Christ.

 

[Davidnic]

If you will look and see in that scripture than our human bodes are made from man. Since the first creation God gave Adam and Eve the ability to procreate by themselves. So our human bodies are made of man. When we come into Gods Kingdom we get our bodies that God has made for us. Jesus Human body was made from man, or if you want to be technical woman. Pro creation lets say.Mortal bodies that can die. So with this in mind this makes Jesus the ARk of the new covenant.

I see what you are saying but Christ is not the ark. He is the covenant (or in this the bread, priesthood and the law). But I do understand how you see Him as the ark in your analogy. But I can not agree with that view because it makes the old ark God in that analogy and not sanctified by the presence of God. And to accept that analogy Christ is not fully human but his humanity would be a tent or ark sanctified by the presence of God inside.

The ark is sanctified by the presences of God. It is not God. Christ is God and his Humanity is not simply a holder for His divinity.

Not Mary for she is not the word of God . She is not the one who will rule with an iron rod. She is not a high preist. She is not the one who gave us this new covenant that we are called by now.

No one here is saying she is those things. The way you are using the analogy is different from how others are using it. So what is going on is the argument over what analogy is more appropriate.

The discussion of glorified bodies is really an issue for elsewhere. But Christ is fully God and fully man. Not God in the likeness of man like someone wearing a disguise. And that would be the case to make your analogy work.

 

[IamAdopted]

I see what you are saying but Christ is not the ark. He is the covenant (or in this the bread, priesthood and the law). But I do understand how you see Him as the ark in your analogy. But I can not agree with that view because it makes the old ark God in that analogy and not sanctified by the presence of God. And to accept that analogy Christ is not fully human but his humanity would be a tent or ark sanctified by the presence of God inside.

The ark is sanctified by the presences of God. It is not God. Christ is God and his Humanity is not simply a holder for His divinity.



No one here is saying she is those things. The way you are using the analogy is different from how others are using it. So what is going on is the argument over what analogy is more appropriate.

The discussion of glorified bodies is really an issue for elsewhere. But Christ is fully God and fully man. Not God in the likeness of man like someone wearing a disguise. And that would be the case to make your analogy work.

Jesus is the Word of God. He came into this world being the Word of God He left this Word being the word of God and He will come back as the word of God.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

This should explain it more. The old law was in the ark. It was Gods word before Jesus the word of God became flesh. He fullfilled this covenant and gave us a new covenant. Gods presence is in Him. Gods word is in Him. Gods rule of authority is in Him. Gods reconcillation is in Him. God is in Him. For He is the Word of God. Being the Ark of the covenant. Jesus tells us that He is with us always even until the end of the age. God put all His law and rule and authority and promises in Christ.

 

[Davidnic]

Jesus is the Word of God. He came into this world being the Word of God He left this Word being the word of God and He will come back as the word of God. This should explain it more. The old law was in the ark. It was Gods word before Jesus the word of God became flesh. He fullfilled this covenant and gave us a new covenant.

Gods presence is in Him. Gods word is in Him. Gods rule of authority is in Him. Gods reconcillation is in Him. God is in Him. For He is the Word of God. Being the Ark of the covenant. Jesus tells us that He is with us always even until the end of the age. God put all His law and rule and authority and promises in Christ.

Yes. No one is debating those points. They are in Him because He is one with the Father.

But The Ark was not those things as well as containing those things. Christ is those things because they are of His nature. They are not of the nature of the ark. The Ark is sanctified by those things, it needs them for it's sanctity.

So that is why many here hold the ark for an analogy to Mary. Because it is by having Christ...who is the Law, Priesthood and bread within her that she is the ark. But she is not the priesthood, the law and the bread.

Christ can not be divided from those things. They are His in His fully humanity and full divinity.

Do you see our point on that and why we view Mary as a better analogy for the ark?

 

[IamAdopted]

Yes. No one is debating those points. They are in Him because He is one with the Father.

But The Ark was not those things as well as containing those things. Christ is those things because they are of His nature. They are not of the nature of the ark. The Ark is sanctified by those things, it needs them for it's sanctity.

So that is why many here hold the ark for an analogy to Mary. Because it is by having Christ...who is the Law, Priesthood and bread within her that she is the ark. But she is not the priesthood, the law and the bread.

Christ can not be divided from those things. They are His in His fully humanity and full divinity.

Do you see our point on that and why we view Mary as a better analogy for the ark?

Mary cannot be the ark. She is not God with us. This is what the ark was all about. Mary is not with us now. She is in the presence of Jesus her body back into the dust it was created from. Jesus is with us though until the end of the age. His body knew no decay. He is God with us. For ever and all eternity He is God with us.

 

[Davidnic]

Mary cannot be the ark. She is not God with us. This is what the ark was all about. Mary is not with us now. She is in the presence of Jesus her body back into the dust it was created from. Jesus is with us though until the end of the age. His body knew no decay. He is God with us. For ever and all eternity He is God with us.

No the Ark itself was not God with us. But God came through the ark. The ark is something separate from God. The Ark is not God. Christ is. God can be taken from the Ark and the Ark taken from God.

Ark of God
Ark of the Covenant
Ark of the Testimony

Christ is God.
He is the Covenant
He is the Testimony

They are unable to be taken or divided from Him. The Ark is not God.

So you say Christ is the ark because God comes to us as Christ. But That would, for the analogy make the ark God. And that is not so. Or it would make Christ not God at all but God-bearer. Or it would make Him God carried in the outer shell of man.

So it is because Mary is not God that she is the analogy we use for the ark. Because she is not God but God-bearer:Theotokos.

 

[Benedicta00]

Mary cannot be the ark. She is not God with us. This is what the ark was all about. Mary is not with us now. She is in the presence of Jesus her body back into the dust it was created from. Jesus is with us though until the end of the age. His body knew no decay. He is God with us. For ever and all eternity He is God with us.

Did she carry the Word of God or not in her womb?

Then.. yes, metaphorically, she is the Ark.