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Welcome Paladin. :wave: I think GM's reply has alot of weight in it for you to consider. I also am curious as to why you have been successful in walking away from other conversations similiar, but not this one. Do you think you may know why?

Praying for you.

It was the concept that the Bible is not perfect, but the "intellectual materials" that he presented were without refute. I have lived a life of intellectual pursuit and know how meaningless it is; perhaps it was the thought of one such as I was undermining the faith in the Bible among others.

GM's reply is quite wise, and I cannot deny there was just a little anger there...okay, maybe a lot.
 
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Welcome, Surviving :wave:

Paladin, I think you've answered your own question maybe? One thing totally jumps out of your post, and that's that you now feel intellectualism is meaningless, and it's so so cool you've come to that conclusion. Intellectual knowledge can so easily puff us up, whereas simple love for the bible, because of that love, will never ever go wrong or lead us astray, even when debating someone who's being very pejorative about it. It's so interesting reading your post cos just yesterday or the day before, I posted one very similar :)

With the anger, is it something you reckon Jesus can help you with?
 
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Well, I've finally read the whole thread - and am just so impressed with the love of God and desire to do His will that everyone shows!
I will pray for all of you.

God is teaching me about controlling my tongue at the moment - I find it so easy to snap and critisize! Jesus said that what comes out of our mouth is the overflow of our hearts - so I guess my heart needs a lot of alteration!

Praise Jesus that He is the One who can do it.
Please pray that I will take time to consider my words -What Would Jesus Say? is my issue!!

Bless you all
 
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Welcome, Surviving :wave:

Paladin, I think you've answered your own question maybe? One thing totally jumps out of your post, and that's that you now feel intellectualism is meaningless, and it's so so cool you've come to that conclusion. Intellectual knowledge can so easily puff us up, whereas simple love for the bible, because of that love, will never ever go wrong or lead us astray, even when debating someone who's being very pejorative about it. It's so interesting reading your post cos just yesterday or the day before, I posted one very similar :)

With the anger, is it something you reckon Jesus can help you with?
Jesus has helped immensely with my anger. I have overcome a lot in my life with God's help - I used to be a scary individual - but once I finish sweeping up the old me and scoot it out the door I'm gonna be good to go.
 
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Jesus has helped immensely with my anger. I have overcome a lot in my life with God's help - I used to be a scary individual - but once I finish sweeping up the old me and scoot it out the door I'm gonna be good to go.
God is so beautiful :clap:
 
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Your post is very true! Welcome :wave: ... or have we met before?

I know when I'm feeling I'm going to fail I always envision God standing next to me guiding me through it-- not like a test, just as my personal supporter. That certainly can offer an encouraging and different perspective on how one reacts and responds!

Have a fantastic weekend everyone!

Thanks...I can't remember if we have met. I think we might have done...said hello in passing.
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This is a great way of thinking.
 
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Hi everyone

I just wanted to share something which happened last night.
We went out for a meal with a group of neighbours - which I usually dread.
They are all lovely people, but non-Christians, and I always feel uncomfortable with the conversation, and usually make an excuse to leave early!!
Couldn't do that last night, as one friend has given up alcohol for lent ( rather odd, since she doesn't believe in God!,...) Anyway, she volunteered o drive, so I knew we were going to be there until late!
I asked Jesus to show me how to react, and help me speak for Him - but such was my levell of faith that I wass still dreading it!!
Anyway, to cut a long story short, a neighbour who has always laughed at any mention of God before now sat next to me.
After about ten minutes, she turned to me and said "You're a Christian, aren't you?", and proceeded to spend the entire evening asking about my faith - and listening to the answers!

So I had a fantastic evening talking about Jesus!
Isn't He great!! One day I'll stop being surprised when He answers my prayers!!

Anyway - please pray that I'll be able to carry on witnessing to Annette - I don't usually see her very often, but I'm sure God can arrange that!

Bless you all.
 
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I'd really appreciate some input here on an issue I had recently.

I got in a discussion with someone here in CF...okay, it was an arguement. He was defending himself by stating that the Bible was incomplete and the translations were not accurate. Now, I have more than my fair share of encounters with people who are disagreeable, and usually I can walk off and pray that God will reach them. This instance I could not disengage; I kept coming back into the fray.

The thread is under review by staff (first time I've been in that situation), and since I have some anger issues I thought I'd just blown up and lost my cool.

This morning, though, I wondered if the fact that this person was attacking the Bible, that which I have been taught and accepted by faith as the Living Word of Truth, then was I defending my faith from someone who would destroy it?

What do we walk away from when we walk in Jesus? He withstood every insult and physical abuse, yet made a whip and cleared the temple from those who would defile it.

Thoughts, anyone?

I think that in your situation I would have gotten very angry. I know that wouldn't be the right thing to do, but I probably would have anyway. I also have a quick temper and get mad fairly easily. I think it would have been better if you had kept calm, but I also know that it can be very difficult dealing with people like that.

I think that this is something that everyone could try and do. We won't be perfect at it, but at least we are conscious about it and trying it.

Another thing that has just come to mind which is similar to this...I was reading a book the other day and it talked about when we do things, we should do it as though God was right beside us. If he was there by me, I probably wouldn't do half the stuff that I do now! I know that I will meet Him eventually, so why shouldn't I start now as if He was with me now...He is with me anyway!

Welcome, Surviving! Yes, He is with you, but sometimes it's hard to grip that with our minds. I've also found another thing to think of when dealing with other people: "Would you do that to Jesus?" can really make you think about how you treat people. It can help you decide how to treat people and whether it's right.


Well, I've finally read the whole thread - and am just so impressed with the love of God and desire to do His will that everyone shows!
I will pray for all of you.

God is teaching me about controlling my tongue at the moment - I find it so easy to snap and critisize! Jesus said that what comes out of our mouth is the overflow of our hearts - so I guess my heart needs a lot of alteration!

Praise Jesus that He is the One who can do it.
Please pray that I will take time to consider my words -What Would Jesus Say? is my issue!!

Bless you all

Welcome! I think we all have trouble controlling our tongues.

"And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell."

Hi everyone

I just wanted to share something which happened last night.
We went out for a meal with a group of neighbours - which I usually dread.
They are all lovely people, but non-Christians, and I always feel uncomfortable with the conversation, and usually make an excuse to leave early!!
Couldn't do that last night, as one friend has given up alcohol for lent ( rather odd, since she doesn't believe in God!,...) Anyway, she volunteered o drive, so I knew we were going to be there until late!
I asked Jesus to show me how to react, and help me speak for Him - but such was my levell of faith that I wass still dreading it!!
Anyway, to cut a long story short, a neighbour who has always laughed at any mention of God before now sat next to me.
After about ten minutes, she turned to me and said "You're a Christian, aren't you?", and proceeded to spend the entire evening asking about my faith - and listening to the answers!

So I had a fantastic evening talking about Jesus!
Isn't He great!! One day I'll stop being surprised when He answers my prayers!!

Anyway - please pray that I'll be able to carry on witnessing to Annette - I don't usually see her very often, but I'm sure God can arrange that!

Bless you all.

That is awesome! I will pray for you and Annette. God bless you.
 
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I have had an interesting four days. It started with a special day at work as a substitute teacher. I was surprised, by the school secretary, with a sudden midday switch from an upper elem. special ed class that I know well, to a group of three to five year olds who I didn't know, and are severely impaired. It was just the start I needed to an unusual weekend. The afternoon group was exhausting, but they captured my heart. They are all so sweet. :)

Thursday night I had my Girl Scout troop meeting to run. Friday I taught 7th grade social studies, and Friday night I had a Boy Scout event. All the while I was getting messages on my machine about my husband's grandfather (with whom we are very close) being in the hospital. I was playing phone tag with my in-laws and couldn't get much information until late Friday night.

The conversation Friday night made it clear to me that I needed to drive to a hospital two states away, this weekend, with my kids, but not my husband. We woke up Saturday morning, grabbed some clothes, made some quick arrangements for the care of our pets, and headed 4 1/2 hours South.

On the way I had a great conversation with my six and nine year old about dieing, God, and the purpose of life. We arrived at the hospital just in time to say, "we love you, Grandpa". He died about ten minutes later. Grandpa had waited until his only great-grandchildren could be there before he went to be with our Lord. :)

It was a flurry of activity for me starting with Thursday's unexpected sweethearts. They were, and are, still on my mind. I think their easily expressed love and innocence somehow covered me with a sense of peace and feeling that our God, who Is Love, is always right there with me. That He has a great plan for us to love each other and that His plan is perfect and He makes no mistakes.

I felt that God spoke through me all weekend. Grandpa's son, my uncle-in-law, had many spiritual questions for me. I felt myself fall away and let God speak to him and answer his questions using my mouth. I'm so blessed that the Lord was able to use me in that way. God is good.
 
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I have had an interesting four days. It started with a special day at work as a substitute teacher. I was surprised, by the school secretary, with a sudden midday switch from an upper elem. special ed class that I know well, to a group of three to five year olds who I didn't know, and are severely impaired. It was just the start I needed to an unusual weekend. The afternoon group was exhausting, but they captured my heart. They are all so sweet. :)

Thursday night I had my Girl Scout troop meeting to run. Friday I taught 7th grade social studies, and Friday night I had a Boy Scout event. All the while I was getting messages on my machine about my husband's grandfather (with whom we are very close) being in the hospital. I was playing phone tag with my in-laws and couldn't get much information until late Friday night.

The conversation Friday night made it clear to me that I needed to drive to a hospital two states away, this weekend, with my kids, but not my husband. We woke up Saturday morning, grabbed some clothes, made some quick arrangements for the care of our pets, and headed 4 1/2 hours South.

On the way I had a great conversation with my six and nine year old about dieing, God, and the purpose of life. We arrived at the hospital just in time to say, "we love you, Grandpa". He died about ten minutes later. Grandpa had waited until his only great-grandchildren could be there before he went to be with our Lord. :)

It was a flurry of activity for me starting with Thursday's unexpected sweethearts. They were, and are, still on my mind. I think their easily expressed love and innocence somehow covered me with a sense of peace and feeling that our God, who Is Love, is always right there with me. That He has a great plan for us to love each other and that His plan is perfect and He makes no mistakes.

I felt that God spoke through me all weekend. Grandpa's son, my uncle-in-law, had many spiritual questions for me. I felt myself fall away and let God speak to him and answer his questions using my mouth. I'm so blessed that the Lord was able to use me in that way. God is good.
Kanga, I find great solace that God allowed this event to put you in a place to show Christ and his light amidst such a dark time. I lost my dad eight months ago, and it still hurts, but Godly people sure helped me through it, so I know what a blessing you were for the members of your family. God bless you, sister.
 
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I'd really appreciate some input here on an issue I had recently.

I got in a discussion with someone here in CF...okay, it was an arguement. He was defending himself by stating that the Bible was incomplete and the translations were not accurate. Now, I have more than my fair share of encounters with people who are disagreeable, and usually I can walk off and pray that God will reach them. This instance I could not disengage; I kept coming back into the fray.

The thread is under review by staff (first time I've been in that situation), and since I have some anger issues I thought I'd just blown up and lost my cool.

This morning, though, I wondered if the fact that this person was attacking the Bible, that which I have been taught and accepted by faith as the Living Word of Truth, then was I defending my faith from someone who would destroy it?

What do we walk away from when we walk in Jesus? He withstood every insult and physical abuse, yet made a whip and cleared the temple from those who would defile it.

Thoughts, anyone?

It was the concept that the Bible is not perfect, but the "intellectual materials" that he presented were without refute. I have lived a life of intellectual pursuit and know how meaningless it is; perhaps it was the thought of one such as I was undermining the faith in the Bible among others.

GM's reply is quite wise, and I cannot deny there was just a little anger there...okay, maybe a lot.

Jesus has helped immensely with my anger. I have overcome a lot in my life with God's help - I used to be a scary individual - but once I finish sweeping up the old me and scoot it out the door I'm gonna be good to go.
I agree that it is definitely hard to deal with people like that. I just wanted to through out 1 more thought about it. He was attack the the Bible, God's word. Does God need help defending Himself?
I would definitely keep this one in prayer though.

I think that this is something that everyone could try and do. We won't be perfect at it, but at least we are conscious about it and trying it.

Another thing that has just come to mind which is similar to this...I was reading a book the other day and it talked about when we do things, we should do it as though God was right beside us. If he was there by me, I probably wouldn't do half the stuff that I do now! I know that I will meet Him eventually, so why shouldn't I start now as if He was with me now...He is with me anyway!
Welcome, and you have a wonderful point. We do need God's help to succeed.

I guess, we all have our own walk, and we are all connected to the Holy Spirit, so it's really about what you feel. Are you feeling convicted in any way? At the time, in that moment, what drove you to keep returning to the thread? Were you returning in anger or in love?

Having said all that, difficult people who denigrate the Word are hard to get along with. Very very much so.

Welcome, Surviving

Paladin, I think you've answered your own question maybe? One thing totally jumps out of your post, and that's that you now feel intellectualism is meaningless, and it's so so cool you've come to that conclusion. Intellectual knowledge can so easily puff us up, whereas simple love for the bible, because of that love, will never ever go wrong or lead us astray, even when debating someone who's being very pejorative about it. It's so interesting reading your post cos just yesterday or the day before, I posted one very similar

With the anger, is it something you reckon Jesus can help you with?
You have some wonderful input GM.
Well, I've finally read the whole thread - and am just so impressed with the love of God and desire to do His will that everyone shows!
I will pray for all of you.

God is teaching me about controlling my tongue at the moment - I find it so easy to snap and critisize! Jesus said that what comes out of our mouth is the overflow of our hearts - so I guess my heart needs a lot of alteration!

Praise Jesus that He is the One who can do it.
Please pray that I will take time to consider my words -What Would Jesus Say? is my issue!!

Bless you all
I agree that is a issue for probably almost everyone on the planet.

Hi everyone

I just wanted to share something which happened last night.
We went out for a meal with a group of neighbours - which I usually dread.
They are all lovely people, but non-Christians, and I always feel uncomfortable with the conversation, and usually make an excuse to leave early!!
Couldn't do that last night, as one friend has given up alcohol for lent ( rather odd, since she doesn't believe in God!,...) Anyway, she volunteered o drive, so I knew we were going to be there until late!
I asked Jesus to show me how to react, and help me speak for Him - but such was my levell of faith that I wass still dreading it!!
Anyway, to cut a long story short, a neighbour who has always laughed at any mention of God before now sat next to me.
After about ten minutes, she turned to me and said "You're a Christian, aren't you?", and proceeded to spend the entire evening asking about my faith - and listening to the answers!

So I had a fantastic evening talking about Jesus!
Isn't He great!! One day I'll stop being surprised when He answers my prayers!!

Anyway - please pray that I'll be able to carry on witnessing to Annette - I don't usually see her very often, but I'm sure God can arrange that!

Bless you all.
That is awesome. :)

Welcome, Surviving! Yes, He is with you, but sometimes it's hard to grip that with our minds. I've also found another thing to think of when dealing with other people: "Would you do that to Jesus?" can really make you think about how you treat people. It can help you decide how to treat people and whether it's right.
Excellent point, we are all created in His image, and I forget the verse, but Jesus mentions with kindness what you do unto the least of these you do unto me, so I would think that it works with being mean to people too.

I have had an interesting four days. It started with a special day at work as a substitute teacher. I was surprised, by the school secretary, with a sudden midday switch from an upper elem. special ed class that I know well, to a group of three to five year olds who I didn't know, and are severely impaired. It was just the start I needed to an unusual weekend. The afternoon group was exhausting, but they captured my heart. They are all so sweet.

Thursday night I had my Girl Scout troop meeting to run. Friday I taught 7th grade social studies, and Friday night I had a Boy Scout event. All the while I was getting messages on my machine about my husband's grandfather (with whom we are very close) being in the hospital. I was playing phone tag with my in-laws and couldn't get much information until late Friday night.

The conversation Friday night made it clear to me that I needed to drive to a hospital two states away, this weekend, with my kids, but not my husband. We woke up Saturday morning, grabbed some clothes, made some quick arrangements for the care of our pets, and headed 4 1/2 hours South.

On the way I had a great conversation with my six and nine year old about dieing, God, and the purpose of life. We arrived at the hospital just in time to say, "we love you, Grandpa". He died about ten minutes later. Grandpa had waited until his only great-grandchildren could be there before he went to be with our Lord.

It was a flurry of activity for me starting with Thursday's unexpected sweethearts. They were, and are, still on my mind. I think their easily expressed love and innocence somehow covered me with a sense of peace and feeling that our God, who Is Love, is always right there with me. That He has a great plan for us to love each other and that His plan is perfect and He makes no mistakes.

I felt that God spoke through me all weekend. Grandpa's son, my uncle-in-law, had many spiritual questions for me. I felt myself fall away and let God speak to him and answer his questions using my mouth. I'm so blessed that the Lord was able to use me in that way. God is good.
I am sorry to hear that, and will keep you and your family in prayer.
At the same time I am glad to hear how God spoke through these events.
 
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I have had an interesting four days. It started with a special day at work as a substitute teacher. I was surprised, by the school secretary, with a sudden midday switch from an upper elem. special ed class that I know well, to a group of three to five year olds who I didn't know, and are severely impaired. It was just the start I needed to an unusual weekend. The afternoon group was exhausting, but they captured my heart. They are all so sweet. :)

Thursday night I had my Girl Scout troop meeting to run. Friday I taught 7th grade social studies, and Friday night I had a Boy Scout event. All the while I was getting messages on my machine about my husband's grandfather (with whom we are very close) being in the hospital. I was playing phone tag with my in-laws and couldn't get much information until late Friday night.

The conversation Friday night made it clear to me that I needed to drive to a hospital two states away, this weekend, with my kids, but not my husband. We woke up Saturday morning, grabbed some clothes, made some quick arrangements for the care of our pets, and headed 4 1/2 hours South.

On the way I had a great conversation with my six and nine year old about dieing, God, and the purpose of life. We arrived at the hospital just in time to say, "we love you, Grandpa". He died about ten minutes later. Grandpa had waited until his only great-grandchildren could be there before he went to be with our Lord. :)

It was a flurry of activity for me starting with Thursday's unexpected sweethearts. They were, and are, still on my mind. I think their easily expressed love and innocence somehow covered me with a sense of peace and feeling that our God, who Is Love, is always right there with me. That He has a great plan for us to love each other and that His plan is perfect and He makes no mistakes.

I felt that God spoke through me all weekend. Grandpa's son, my uncle-in-law, had many spiritual questions for me. I felt myself fall away and let God speak to him and answer his questions using my mouth. I'm so blessed that the Lord was able to use me in that way. God is good.

Wow, you have been busy. I'm sorry about your grandpa. He was a christian I take it? I have never really lost anyone that was very close to me before, so I don't know exactly how it feels, but I can imagine.

I'm glad that God used you through everything that happened. I pray that God will use you even more in the future. I will be praying for you and your family.
 
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Hi everyone

I just wanted to share something which happened last night.
We went out for a meal with a group of neighbours - which I usually dread.
They are all lovely people, but non-Christians, and I always feel uncomfortable with the conversation, and usually make an excuse to leave early!!
Couldn't do that last night, as one friend has given up alcohol for lent ( rather odd, since she doesn't believe in God!,...) Anyway, she volunteered o drive, so I knew we were going to be there until late!
I asked Jesus to show me how to react, and help me speak for Him - but such was my levell of faith that I wass still dreading it!!
Anyway, to cut a long story short, a neighbour who has always laughed at any mention of God before now sat next to me.
After about ten minutes, she turned to me and said "You're a Christian, aren't you?", and proceeded to spend the entire evening asking about my faith - and listening to the answers!

So I had a fantastic evening talking about Jesus!
Isn't He great!! One day I'll stop being surprised when He answers my prayers!!

Anyway - please pray that I'll be able to carry on witnessing to Annette - I don't usually see her very often, but I'm sure God can arrange that!

Bless you all.

That is amazing and awesome! PTL! :clap:

I have had an interesting four days. It started with a special day at work as a substitute teacher. I was surprised, by the school secretary, with a sudden midday switch from an upper elem. special ed class that I know well, to a group of three to five year olds who I didn't know, and are severely impaired. It was just the start I needed to an unusual weekend. The afternoon group was exhausting, but they captured my heart. They are all so sweet.

Thursday night I had my Girl Scout troop meeting to run. Friday I taught 7th grade social studies, and Friday night I had a Boy Scout event. All the while I was getting messages on my machine about my husband's grandfather (with whom we are very close) being in the hospital. I was playing phone tag with my in-laws and couldn't get much information until late Friday night.

The conversation Friday night made it clear to me that I needed to drive to a hospital two states away, this weekend, with my kids, but not my husband. We woke up Saturday morning, grabbed some clothes, made some quick arrangements for the care of our pets, and headed 4 1/2 hours South.

On the way I had a great conversation with my six and nine year old about dieing, God, and the purpose of life. We arrived at the hospital just in time to say, "we love you, Grandpa". He died about ten minutes later. Grandpa had waited until his only great-grandchildren could be there before he went to be with our Lord.

It was a flurry of activity for me starting with Thursday's unexpected sweethearts. They were, and are, still on my mind. I think their easily expressed love and innocence somehow covered me with a sense of peace and feeling that our God, who Is Love, is always right there with me. That He has a great plan for us to love each other and that His plan is perfect and He makes no mistakes.

I felt that God spoke through me all weekend. Grandpa's son, my uncle-in-law, had many spiritual questions for me. I felt myself fall away and let God speak to him and answer his questions using my mouth. I'm so blessed that the Lord was able to use me in that way. God is good.

I'm sorry to hear of your grandfather-in-law. I will keep your family in my prayers. PTL of the great conversations that came about!!!! :clap:


Kanga, I find great solace that God allowed this event to put you in a place to show Christ and his light amidst such a dark time. I lost my dad eight months ago, and it still hurts, but Godly people sure helped me through it, so I know what a blessing you were for the members of your family. God bless you, sister.

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I will keep you in my prayers too.

Oops, double post. lol

Woohoo!!!! So you mean I'm not the only one who does that???? ;) :thumbsup:




Happy Monday everyone! :wave:
 
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It is nice to meet you all and glad to be walking with you on the path of asking WWJD.. It will be interesting to see how God will bless all of us... God Bless you all..

Love you all with the Love of Jesus!!
it certainly will be
 
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It is nice to meet you all and glad to be walking with you on the path of asking WWJD.. It will be interesting to see how God will bless all of us... God Bless you all..

Love you all with the Love of Jesus!!

Yes, it will be very interesting. God bless you too MikeJ.
 
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:help: I messed up today!
I don't really know why...
I had forgotten to do something - not anything important - it didn't really affect anyone except me!
But instead of just saying - whoops, forgot, I made an excuse - which wasn't true.
So now I'm feeling pretty hopeless, really.
No - wrong word - I do know that Jesus is my hpoe.

And that He has forgiven me.
I suppose I'm angry with myself really.
It just seems such a pointless way to let Him down!

Sorry - not a very edifying post!
But I do feel I need to be honest about where I'm at.
So...

Anyway - bless you all
 
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pete56

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Criada,

Remember, this club is called WWJD.

Well i can tell you what jesus would do for you right now!

Exactly the same as he did for Peter on the lake shore - He would forgive you, restore you and recommission you!

Jesus is not in the business of remembering the things we do wrong, He is in the business of helping us to do what He calls us to do!

Put this down, forgive yourself,and move on to the next thing!

Bless you

Pete
 
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